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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:45 PM
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Flu Found Resistant to Main Antiviral Drug
Source: New York Times

Virtually all the flu in the United States this season is resistant to the leading antiviral drug Tamiflu, and scientists and health officials are trying to figure out why.

The problem is not yet a public health crisis because this is a below-average flu season so far and the chief strain circulating is still susceptible to other drugs — but infectious disease specialists are nonetheless worried.

Last winter, about 11 percent of the throat swabs from patients with the most common type of flu that were sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for genetic typing showed a Tamiflu-resistant strain. This season, 99 percent do.

“It’s quite shocking,” said Dr. Kent A. Sepkowitz, director of infection control at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. “We’ve never lost an antibiotic this fast. It blew me away.”



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/health/09flu.html?_r=1
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:46 PM
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1. oh-oh. nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:49 PM
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2. Golly garsh. I never heard of an anti-biotic being usefull against the flu VIRUS
anyhow.

Fucking stupid article, i'd say.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:58 PM
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6. Tamiflu isn't an antibiotic, it's an antiviral - oseltamivir.
It was formulated to be effetive against a form of influenza A that has long since mutated; the virus changed and now it doesn't work.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:21 PM
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12. I'm just talking about the bolded quote concerning antibiotics......
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:32 PM
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16. Ah - ok.
Maybe it's an error by the journalist? Can't imagine he'd be that dumb.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:51 PM
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3. never mind
Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 01:52 PM by cryingshame
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:53 PM
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4. Antibiotics do not affect influenza...
Only antivirals. Viruses are constantly mutating though.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:57 PM
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5. Antibiotics in our environs may be damaging our immune system's overall capacity to
Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 01:58 PM by cryingshame
withstand viral strains and also effect how our bodies react to both bacteria and viral strains... but don't want to argue about it.

Which is why I deleted my original, poorly worded post.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:02 PM
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7. Could be...
People are living longer though and I haven't noticed people being more sick. I'm more concerned with artificial hormones in the food supply though :).

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cayuga Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:07 PM
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8. Not so shocking...Donald Rumsfeld was a major stockholder of the makers of Tamiflu
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:08 PM
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9. Wow. No one could have predicted THIS.
:sarcasm:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 03:08 PM
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19. Indeed! Well, D'OH!
Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 03:08 PM by Karenina
:eyes:
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 12:12 PM
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27. Amazing! I am so surprised,
:eyes:
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:12 PM
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10. Break out the Zinc and Silver.
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:20 PM
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11. also
echinacea and vitamin C
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:23 PM
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13. Yes. Silver. Collodial silver.
I can't recommend collodial silver enough.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:28 PM
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14. I think the Zinc is more effective that the potable Silver.
But if you take zinc too long it becomes toxic. So I cycle Zinc and silver. That gets me through flu season.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:29 PM
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15. That's why you load up on collodial silver.
The more you take the better.

:thumbsup:
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 03:05 PM
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17. bring on the smurfs! only, taller.
.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 03:06 PM
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18. SHHHH!
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 06:14 PM
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23. LMAO much taller. I'm 6' 11"
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 03:14 PM
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20. zinc becomes toxic?
wow, i never knew that. when i'm coming down with a virus, i usually take them every two hours or so until the symptoms subside. :shrug: isn't that what you're supposed to do?
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 06:17 PM
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24. Yes it is. But I go 4-6hrs. If you continue to take it for months. It can build up to a toxic level
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 10:40 AM
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25. ok, phew!
you scared me for a minute! i only use it for short-term prevention, so guess i'm safe.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 04:43 PM
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28. I use zinc & silver instead of a flu shot.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 11:55 PM
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29. have you ever had one?
i haven't.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:42 AM
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31. Yes. I used to get them. But I'm 77 and the sap my strength and energy. I usually still get the flu
For a period when I was in my 60's I used to get flu shots. But still got the flu. Because every year there was a new strain the flu shot didn't cover. So I went back what we used to do when I was a kid back in the 30's and 40's. Cycle zinc and silver.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:05 AM
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30. all the minerals can be toxic.
http://ods.od.nih.gov/FactSheets/Zinc.asp

Check the chart on "tolerable upper limit" towards the middle of the article.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 04:53 PM
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21. UPDATE: The article has been corrected.
I emailed the author and he's changed the word "antibiotic" to "antimicrobial".
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 05:31 PM
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22. Wash hands
Repeat often. Pretty simple.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 11:36 AM
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26. Oh, and eat nutritional foods containing anti-oxidants!
Seriously, whatever processed vitamins you take are no substitute for what you get from fruit and veg. I haven't had a bad flu since 1998, and I swear by cellulose anti-oxidants before I'd ever get a shot!!
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