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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:40 AM
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Wolfowitz says US must act even on "murky" data
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N27243356.htm

WASHINGTON, July 27 (Reuters) - U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz on Sunday defended the invasion of Iraq as an example of how the United States had to be prepared to act on "murky intelligence" in its war on terrorism.

Wolfowitz was asked in several television interviews about widespread criticism that Washington's rationale for the war -- charges that Iraq had chemical and biological weapons and was collaborating with Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda group -- appeared to have been built on shaky foundations.

No such weapons have been found and little concrete evidence has been presented of an al Qaeda link.

"The nature of terrorism is that intelligence about terrorism is murky," Wolfowitz, one of the architects of the Iraq war, said on the "Fox News Sunday" program.

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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:43 AM
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1. Fuzzy intelligence?
Yeah, who cares if a few thousand Iraqis and American soldiers die?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:02 PM
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39. Setting the Tone for the Thread

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:03 PM
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43. WAR CRIMINAL WOLFIE
God he looks good in the setting above.

Its so fitting that this little bastard appears behind bars.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:43 AM
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2. A preemptive strike based on 'murky' evidence...
...is illegal and unethical. Not that these thugs mind.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:48 AM
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3. The PNAC gang is insane
People like Wolfowitz need psychological intervention. People like him are kept strapped to their beds under a healthy dose of Thorazine.

These are the same Pentagon lunatics that are advocating first use of nukes!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:00 PM
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7. I believe I agree with you.
On a smaller scale, we would call them psychotic serial killers.
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:25 PM
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13. not insane, not psychotic
it's just a cultural thing.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:37 PM
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30. ROFLMAO!
:think:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:43 PM
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35. I rather see them castrated!!!
That is to start
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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:50 AM
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4. Shoot first, ask questions later
Sounds like a good basis for international law.
Does anybody in this administration ever think things through?
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:52 AM
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MURKY???? MURKY!!!!!!! Premptive WAR on MURKY INTEL!
Wolfawitz is sooo damn NUTS! :bounce: Dangerous!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:52 AM
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5. Murky intelligence
should give justification to beef up intelligence, to plan for counter offensives and tighten up security, but it is NOT justification to bomb the crap out of a country. Sorry Fooloshit, it doesn't work that way.

MzPip
:dem:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:02 PM
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8. It does in PNAC's little world.
Nobody ever gonna kick sand in their faces again.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:52 AM
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6. in other words...
this cabal thinks the U.S. ought to act like an angry drunk and lash out an whomever it feels like, whenever it feels like. Everyday I never cease to be amazed. The Bush junta have set detante and diplomacy back 500 years.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:04 PM
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9. This has got to be must for campaign ads....unbelievable!
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Sushi_lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:05 PM
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10. He should be jailed on murky evidence that he has screwed us totally
.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:09 PM
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11. Let's be sure we get this right.
Saudi Arabia - not murky enough
North Korea - not murky enough
Liberia - possibly aproaching appropriate murkiness?
Iraq - definately murky enough.

Do we have this all straight now?
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:18 PM
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12. LOL. So clear evidence of terrorist ties should be dismissed
as not murky enough to be related to terrorism. This is the Wolfowitz Doctrine. I wish Finnfan hosted MTP instead of Russert.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:44 PM
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36. They probably figured clear evidence...
is planted by the targets
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:47 PM
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16. We need color codes - could you use some nifty color codes, please?
nt
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study_war_no_more Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:50 PM
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23. wolfie is a dangerous man
he ought not be having all them toys to play with.
one more from the list
United States-empty warheads in the white house-ex-treme murk-doch
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:28 PM
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14. if the standard of proof is that low
if murky evidence is good enough to justify an invasion, then surely the more-than-murky evidence of bush*'s lies is more than enough to justify impeachment.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:48 PM
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17. Ouch! - that hurt!
Wish we had some "journalists" who could think on their feet.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 02:54 PM
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25. But "murky evidence" was NOT enough
to put the simplest security policies in place 2 years ago. :eyes:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:45 PM
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37. I like that logic
Makes it difficult to dispute
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:34 PM
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15. Whoreowitz is as insane as his boss!
Someone needs to fire these guys before they destroy the planet!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:58 PM
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18. Unless it's data concerning global warming, right?
...or data indicating that their voodoo economics doesn't work?
...or that arsenic in the water supply is bad?
...or data indicating that a pharmaceutical drug is hazardous, or that GM food may present serious dangers over time?
...and so on -- I don't have the heart to continue at the moment.

If we don't get rid of these maniacs pronto, history will be very unkind to us (if it isn't already too late).
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Neutrino Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:03 PM
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19. The U.S. sets precedent for the World

If the U.S. invades other countries using "murky" data, other
countries will do the same. If the U.S. places "kill contracts"
on individuals with massive rewards, then the rest of the world
will do the same, and the U.S. is well aware of that. Regardless
of what was thought of the brothers Hussein, only a Court of Law
could turn what amounts to bad reputations for heinous acts,
into Crime and Punishment. That's International Law. The Rule
of Law.

If GWBII finds comfort in revenge
for attempts by Saddam Hussein to kill his father, by killing
his sons and 14 yr old Grandson (about whom there
is no media discussion), then so be it. I, personally, would
prefer to deal through the Rule of Law than to live my life like
Salmon Rushdie for the next 40 years, but that's his choice.
Iraq is not Afghanistan, it is governed under the Laws of Islam,
which nobody seems to have factored into the pre-invasion equation.

That's my humble opinion.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:21 PM
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20. Murky?
How about pulled out of your ass, made up, imaginary intellegence that has nothing to do with reality and everything to do with a land/power grab for the purposes of
a. siezing oil fields
b. siezing land for military bases to replace the ones we are losing in Saudi Arabia
c. keeping Isreal safe
d. siezing a jumping off point for future invasions (with intellegence that is *just as good* as what we used to invade Iraq) agianst Syria and Iran and maybe Kahzakistan...

I'm sorry, Mr. Wolfowitz, but some of us don't want to live in a empire. And now, Mr. One-Day-After-9/11-Let's-Use-This-To-Justify-Attacking-Iraq, you've shown that you are willing to lie to get what you want.

Why should I trust you? A person that would lie to invade a foriegn nation would lie about fooling around on his wife...
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:58 PM
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41. Seems to me that Mexico is in dire danger!
After all, look at their oil; their proximity; all those illegal aliens coming across our border, etc. What's to stop 'em? "Murky intellience" MY ROYAL ASS!!!!
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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:28 PM
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21. I've got some murky evidence.
Something about some people in a place called Washington DC doign some murky things with human rights and weapons of normal destruction.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:42 PM
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22. Everything in this man is murky.
nt
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 02:18 PM
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24. isn't there a resemblance?
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 03:40 PM
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27. Lol. This one looks healthier.
nt
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 03:10 PM
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26. Who told Americans it was murky?!?!?!?
No one told us that! They all (Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Bush) acted like the data was clear as f*cking Waterford Crystal. Now he says it was murky! He wasn't saying it was murky before we sent half of our troops to Iraq to fight. He wasn't saying that before we were spending $1 billion a week on an occupation.

This is another smoking gun from an extremely overrated pseudo-intellectual by the name of Wolfowitz. He makes me sick.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 03:49 PM
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28. No,no,no,,,,
not murky! He said "Mur'kan" intelligence, right?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:35 PM
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29. murk-y (adj.): dark; heavy or thick; clouded with sediment
The only thing murky about why the US is in Iraq is the crude oil that Cheney's merry band of kleptocrats is pumping out of its bloodied sands.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:48 PM
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31. The administration should have acted on August 6th, 2001
I guess evidence suggesting that terrorists might fly planes into buildings was too clear for murky Wolfowitz.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:05 PM
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32. The administration acted way before that
by negotiating murky deals with the Taliban and not even listening to the infos and warnings given to them by the same Taliban. A bunch of greedy pompous imbeciles used to give orders right and left. Incompetent at the very best. But since, as usual, the truth will never come out, they'll get away with it.
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:13 PM
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33. Damn info wasn't murky until these b@stards got hold of it. eom
eom
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:15 PM
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34. Was it "darn good" or was it "murky"? Lies, lies and more lies.
President Bush said Monday he had "darn good intelligence" on Iraq despite his disputed State of the Union claim that Baghdad sought to purchase uranium from Africa.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/14/white.house.intel/

Did the intelligence briefing Bush receive in August, 2001 about the impending massive terrorist attack against the US using hijacked airplanes contain "darn good" intelligence or "murky" intelligence?

If the government has "murky" evidence that someone might commit a crime should the government preemptively execute that person? Evidently.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:53 PM
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38. What are his credentials?
His past "achievements" don't seem to warrant much trust. I'm sure his "murky" does not meet the average person's standards.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:40 PM
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Wolfowitz should be imprisoned. Rogue Nation USA
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:40 PM
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40. Amazing
They don't just want to lower the bar, they want to throw it out altogether. Evil fucks.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:02 PM
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42. The intelligence about Wolfie isn't murky at all
I hope that the CIA doesn't hesitate to act on it.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:09 PM
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44. This guy is a real nut case
*
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