UN to organize effort to help stabilize Pakistan

Source: Associated Press

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistan says the United Nations will help organize an international effort to overcome the country's massive security and economic problems.

Pakistan faces a dangerous combination of rising Taliban militancy and slowing economic growth, raising concern about the security of its nuclear weapons.

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said Thursday that the U.N. has agreed to help organize programs to be funded by countries including the United States and Germany.

Donors formed a group called the Friends of Pakistan last year to boost Pakistan's security, economic and social development and energy supplies. Pakistan also took a $7.6 billion bailout last year from the International Monetary Fund.



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to assert. Sovereignty is established and maintained by a unified rule of law. Not a rouge threat or use of nuclear weapons. America is the original suicidal bomber with nukes. We can do an in place detonation of our entire arsenal that would make any launch a moot point. Not even bacteria would survive that. Instead of Mutually Assured Destruction. We would much rather build upon our God given stewardship of this Earth He has gifted us with. It's far more rewarding in both the long and short term interims.

Are you claiming that Pakistan is not a sovereign state? And I don't understand your last five sentences, and what, if anything, that has to do with the story.

Sovereignty is a unified and uncontrollable authority. That is what makes a state Sovereign. Not an elected government. That makes them a democracy. Not a sovereignty. Not being a nuclear nation. That makes them a threat to global security. Not a sovereignty. Basically the situation in Pakistan is the elected government claims that the boarder tribes are a uncontrollable authority. So basically Pakistan is ceding it's sovereignty to the boarder tribes. So it's the boarder tribes, by Pakistan's own admission, that are the uncontrollable authority and therefore the boarder tribes are sovereign. But the pakistani Government is not. Should the Pakistani government chose to call it rebellion or insurrection by the boarder tribes and suppress it. The Pakistan government would become the uncontrollable authority of the territory and therefore sovereign. If it doesn't make sense to you. You need to study what the word "sovereignty" entails.

This is like Iraq who is now asserting their sovereignty over Blackwater. Blackwater will no longer be an uncontrollable authority in Iraq. They are now exercising their sovereign right to regulate Blackwater with in their territory. For Black water to refuse to leave Iraq as directed by the uncontrollable authority of the Iraqi government would be rebellion and insurrection by Blackwater. It would then be up to Iraq to suppress that rebellion and insurrection or cede their sovereignty to Blackwater.

The Pakistani government has not claimed, to my knowledge, that the border areas are uncontrollable. It is well-known that the border with Afghanistan is porous, the region is mountainous and areas are difficult to access, and there are many refugees and Taliban/Afghani infiltrators in the border areas, making it difficult, but not necessarily impossible, to control.

Further, I think you need to recognize military/industrial propaganda for what it is, rather than swallow it all hook, line and sinker. The US and Israel are both far more active extra-territorially than Pakistan, they have far more nukes, and the US even used them during a conflict, while Pakistan has not.

The Pakistani Governments grip on power is tenuous at best. This is their assertions in their requests that we not bomb the boarder regions. That is what makes the Pakistan Governments situation so dire. If they fall we must be able to move in to secure or destroy those nukes at a moments notice. Otherwise there is no telling who's hands they could fall into. Possibly even those of Bin Laden. He will use them. First strike would be Israel. Israel also has nukes. They will retaliate. With fallout this has regional and global implications.

The Pakistani technology isn't so advanced that their nukes pose a threat to anyone very far outside their borders, so while still bad, that's a matter for Israel/India/Pakistan to work out, period.

The American people have had just about enough military adventurism. And if it weren't for the nukes, Pakistan would have been annexed and decimated by India many, many years ago. And I'm sorry, India past flirtations with communism makes me FAR more worried about an expansionist India than a democratic Pakistan populated with a few crazy Islamist groups which has nonetheless, to date, basically minded its own business.

Your scaremongering and talk about 9/11 ... er, sorry, Osama Bin Laden . just seems designed to frighten people into accepting even more totalitarianism and militarism and I reject it. :puke:

Not all talks of 9/11, Bin Laden, and Al Qaida is fear mongering. These a legitimate bad guys. That legitimately want to harm us. They have death tolls in the thousands. Bin Laden maybe as tall as tree. But he's really not someone you want to hug. Nor would that hug change him one bit. They are the KKK of the Middle East on steroids. They would kill us simply for being Americans. They would rather burn building in our cities than burn crosses in our yards. But it's the same xenophobia in over drive. Afghanistan and Pakistan is not military adventurism or nation building like Iraq was. They attacked us. This is a legitimate war. There is ad jus bellum forming the cassus belli. We have this with Afghanistan/Pakistan. We didn't have that with Iraq. So you can't allow opinions of Iraq to influence your thinking on Afghanistan/Pakistan. The two wars are not on equal moral or ethical grounds. I still believe America's security is best vested in global security. That ole Iron Curtain didn't work too well for the USSR. It won't work any better for us.

they are different people, and different cultures. They have different languages and histories. They even LOOK different, if we are trying to make accurate generalizations.

And do NOT say "they" attacked us - Pakistan has not attacked us and did NOT attack us.

Further, if what you mean by global security is to continue occupying hundreds of countries around the world, how do think the US is going to pay for this - by continuing to borrow from the Chinese?

I'm sorry, but I just couldn't disagree with you more. No offense, but your ideas with regard to Pakistan are, frankly, toxic.

Plain and simple. Alli of my enemy is my enemy. We cannot allow Pakistan giving aid and comfort to our enemy cause us to give aid and comfort to our enemy by extension. Giving aid and comfort to an enemy in any capacity is a Constitutionally defined act of treason. The punishment for treason can be death. We have some VERY compelling interests here.

Are you sure you are on the right website? :eyes: I mean, you sound so Birch Society.

It may come to the situation where we have to seize control of them but I genuinely hope not. Pakistan has the potential to be our greatest ally in the Middle East if the democratically elected government is able to wrestle control of the country from the hands of the Taliban. The Pakistani people want secular government and they are not sympathetic to Wahhabist bullshit. A stable, secular, and nuclear Pakistan would be the best possible way to tip the balance of power in the region in favor of United States interests.

Getting them stabalized will be a pain. Also an exercize in patients. They want to do their Democracy the right way. They want to do it themselves. If every there were a do it yourself project. It's democracy.

to balkanize it into Sindh, Baluchistan, Khalistan and then merge the Pakhtoon areas with Afghanistan. This can be accomplished at the same time as disarming the primitive nukes it possesses.

in one valley located less then 150 miles from islamabad ?


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