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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 07:29 PM
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Obama Calls Wall Street Bonuses ‘Shameful’
Source: NYT

WASHINGTON — President Obama fired a warning shot at Wall Street on Thursday, branding bankers “shameful” for giving themselves $18.4 billion in bonuses as the economy was spinning out of control and the government was spending billions to bail out many of the nation’s most prominent financial firms.

Speaking from the Oval Office with Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner by his side, Mr. Obama lashed out at the industry over a report, compiled by the New York State comptroller, Thomas P. DiNapoli, which found that over all, financial executives received the same level of bonuses as they had in 2004, when times were more flush.

It was a pointed and unusual flash of anger — if a premeditated one — from the president, and it suggested that he intended to use his platform to take a hard line against excesses in executive compensation.

“That is the height of irresponsibility,” Mr. Obama said angrily. “It is shameful, and part of what we’re going to need is for folks on Wall Street who are asking for help to show some restraint and show some discipline and show some sense of responsibility.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/business/30obama.html?em
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aquamarina Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 07:50 PM
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1. If the money went for bonuses they should be made to pay it back.
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 07:58 PM
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2. If there were justice
these pigs would be in chains awaiting their appointment with the firing squad.
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 08:06 PM
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3. I'd vote for that
Hang them in the town square.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 08:29 PM
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4. If it's shameful (and it is), take the money back.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 08:39 PM
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5. Like those Wall Street parasites care that Obama called them names?
Edited on Thu Jan-29-09 08:39 PM by theHandpuppet
What good does it do to cry "Shame!" to folks who obviously have no conscience or moral compass to begin with? Back up the "naughty naughty" admonitions with some real legislation requiring that these bonuses be forfeited. More action, less rhetoric. When the fox already has a mouthful of feathers, it's a little late to ask him to play nice with the chickens.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 08:42 PM
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6. If Obama feels these bonuses were "shameful"
He should do something about it.....take the $$$$ back.

Actions speak louder than words.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 08:43 PM
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7. I agree 100%!
Talk is cheap... I can do it all day
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 09:25 PM
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8. More good news...
Bonuses paid by one troubled Wall Street firm, Merrill Lynch, have come under particular scrutiny during the last week.

Andrew M. Cuomo, the New York attorney general, has issued subpoenas to John A. Thain, Merrill’s former chief executive, and to an executive at Bank of America, which recently acquired Merrill, asking for information about Merrill’s decision to pay $4 billion to $5 billion in bonuses despite new, gaping losses that forced Bank of America to seek a second financial lifeline from Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/business/29bonus.html?em
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 09:40 PM
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9. Frankly, businesses can pay whatever size bonus they want to their employees..its called capitalism.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:22 PM
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12. It's called entitlement mentality when they need welfare in order to survive and pay those bonuses
n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:03 PM
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13. It's called fucking the shareholders.
Capitalism would dictate that the profits stay in the company or go to the shareholders, not for big bonuses to the hired help. It is corruption writ large.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 12:46 AM
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15. Not when the money for those bonuses come from a taxpayer funded bailout
that's called corporate socialism.

They can do what they want with their own money but if they're showing up on Washington's doorstep with their hands out, there had better be some goddamn accountability for how they spend the money.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 10:52 AM
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19. Are you just waking from a coma? Those bonuses are being drawn from taxpayer money.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:27 AM
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21. It is NOT called capitalism when taxpayers are footing the company's bills.
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:34 AM
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35. Oooh, "Capitalism." All bow down!
We invoke the name of the Almighty in hushed and reverent tones.

Tell us, pray, just what is this "capitalism" that you worship?

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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:58 AM
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36. Not when they're being bailed with taxpayer money, Capt. Capitalist.
Are you really that dense?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 12:01 PM
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39. Ah, so it's called "capitalism" when they take our tax dollars? I thought you
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 12:02 PM by Lorien
all were calling that "socialism".


Oh, wait, that's only when the taxpayer money goes to non multi-millionaires. :eyes:
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Azlady Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:10 PM
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10. "Shameful"
Then do something about it. It is time to take the money back, put into the hands of US & let US fix this economy and put these shameless asses behind bars in the middle of Time Square. Say YES to Small businesses across America and say FUCK YOU to the big Corporations!
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:20 PM
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11. You go, girl!
:fistbump:
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:07 PM
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14. make them give the $$ back
what the fuck is this???? Where's MY bonus and where's MY fucking bailout??? Yeah, I thought so.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 10:26 AM
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16. It's just as shameful, if not more so, that Congress passed a bail out bill that failed to prevent
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 10:33 AM by No Elephants
bonuses, $1400 wastebaskets,new jets, luxury corporate retreats and the like. I never expected or elected AIG to watch out for my tax money, but I expected Congress to do that. Obama was very much part of that failure on the part of Congress.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 10:41 AM
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17. True. n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 10:49 AM
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18. The TARP bill that President Obama helped shove down our throats was shameful. nt
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:18 AM
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20. Or should we look it this way?
The money that WS stole in "bonuses" would create 500,000 jobs that pay $36,800 a year.
I know that $36.8 may not be much to some, but over the last year I know at least a dozen folks that were laid off that made around that much.
I'm sure they would take it.
What productivity could 500,000 hard-working people generate?
What productivity did the thieves who made $18.4B in bonuses generate?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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22. Wall Street perks 'irresponsible'
Source: Yahoo News

US President Barack Obama has called Wall Street bonuses "the height of irresponsibility" and "shameful".

CEOs are receiving extravagant perks while they are firing staff and pleading for taxpayer bail-outs.

Mr Obama said he is outraged by a New York State report that $18.4 billion (£12.8bn) in Wall Street bonuses were paid in 2008 as taxpayers rescued the crumbling financial system.

"That is the height of irresponsibility. It is shameful," Mr Obama said.



Read more: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090130/twl-wall-street-perks-irresponsible-41f21e0.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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24. Byrd "is getting" $4.6 BILLLION???
annually?

He gets $4.6 BILLION from the coal companies? That is your contention?

Do you have any source for that?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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25. Shouldn't you be getting ready for pre-school? nt
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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26. Pick up your crayons and get to stepping, dumbshit.
Your fuckbag party is responsible for 70% of the national debt.

Not that you're going to be around to be educated about any of this.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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27. Republicon Homelanders raped the economy over the last 8 years
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 07:57 AM by SpiralHawk
But just now the tremendous grief the republicons caused with their greed, corruption, and incompetence is coming to light, as they planned -- so they could blame someone else. As usual.

America don't need no steenkin republicon 'we are innocent (smirk)' propaganda. Americans know the Homelanders flushed our economy, our environment, and our moral honor down their own peculiar & deviant wide-stance, diaper-clad crapper long ago.

Get thee to a Freepery, where propaganda is welcome. We prefer facts and truth around here.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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28. Call It What It Is: Looting
and throw the pirates out.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 12:00 PM
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38. Exactly. n/t
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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29. It's a CEO's job to figure out how to screw everyone out of their money and put it in his pocket.
They brag about not being able to get out of bed for less than 10 million. They need to be fired and replaced with someone that can haul their sorry ass out of bed for free.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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30. The solution to this is simple:
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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31. The cake eating crowd parties, while the commoner looks for crumbs.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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32. I hope he does more than say it is shameful.....claw back those bonuses
that would teach a lesson...actions speak louder than words.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 12:01 PM
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40. My sentiments, precisely. n/t
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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33. Take back the whole thing
Get it back, spend it on kids and healthcare, or just about anything would be better than what these thieves are doing with it.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:32 AM
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34. Levy 95%+ windfall taxes on bonuses, parachutes, etc, from corps. receiving taxpayer
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 10:39 AM by ooglymoogly
bailout money or government subsidy; Ex facto. Put the money, that is in the hundreds of bullion's, toward buying up mortgages, direct lending, paying down the deficit or into the bailout funds or all of the fore. Then watch these pigs squeal.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 12:02 PM
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41. Now THAT'S a plan!
:thumbsup:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:58 AM
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37. "... and if they don't, we'll tax the sh*t out of them" should have been the
rest of that thought. 100% "bailout tax" on executive bonuses; that would be a nice start. :grr:
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