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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:23 PM Original message |
Obama selects Pastor, 26, to Head Faith Office |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. Watch the conservatives start tunring agianst this program |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Or...or could we just start our own religions and get some |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
20. First National Church of the Exquisite Panic. |
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southerncrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. I actually hung out w/a group that did charter their own church in |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
91. They had the right idea! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
36. Shame on liberals for not screaming about this office when Dummya started it. Or as Obama continues |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. I totally agree -- it ahs NO PLACE in our Government |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
87. I'll second that . How does this sort of office still stand |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #36 |
56. weird, I thought church and state was supposed to be separate? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
95. Um, I have, but most liberal believers won't accept that this is wrong. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 06:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
96. I'm there |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
51. New Mantra: What happened to separation of church and state? |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. And why shouldn't we? |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. President Obama is very good at hoisting the opposition on it's own petard, isn't he? |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. Not a fan of having a Office of Faith Based whatever at ALL |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That seems like a good idea to me. nt |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Exactly: Separation of Church and State |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. WHY do we still have an Office of Faith-Based Programs? |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. exactly what I was thinking |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
90. Agreed. |
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askeptic (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. How on earth did we ever survive without this before Bush? |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Me too, this sucks. |
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terisan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Obama pledged to expand Bush's faith-based programs and eight wing religious |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 06:22 AM Response to Reply #10 |
97. Obama obviously didn't 't need |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Perhaps they're not wanting to pull the rug out from underneath the |
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Left Coast2020 (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
30. He should include it in something else unrelated to religion and.... |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #30 |
50. I agree with all of it... |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
73. agree. the funds could be given to HHS to distribute to the states. Expanding is |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. No. Google David Kuo. Bush's counterpart of this office was a cynical farce. |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #39 |
52. So there's no faith-based program in operation right now that's worth preserving? Not one that |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. That is different from assuming that Bush had programs in place. But who says dismantling the |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. I can just imagine what the Founding Fathers would think about a |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #7 |
28. I don't think too many of them |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:12 AM Response to Reply #7 |
41. Exactly right. This BS needs to go. |
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southerncrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
8. Instead of an appointee, this office should be closed. |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
12. Why do we need an" office of faith-based programs?" |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. "Faith based" programs encompass many charitable organizations. |
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foxfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I object to your characterization of "secular social service agencies." |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. having had the "opportunity" to use food stamps . . . |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. I worked for a "faith based" social services agency |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. It's ridiculous to claim that somehow "faith based" organizations |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
92. and it is prejudicial to assume that faith based organizations are all the same |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Churches and other religious organizations always had the same ability to apply for grants as any |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
15. Im in the catagory of "what the fuck do we need this |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
59. Amen. Totally unnecessary and stinks up DC. Get rid of it. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
17. we all know this was a campaign promise. I don't like it, and I'm a person of faith, but this type |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
38. What makes you think this office makes anything more " fair," rather than even less fair than |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
94. we agree that they shouldn't even have that position in the WH. sad to see it, but we knew |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
18. Why the hell hasn't this been shut down already? |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. No doubt Obama's heard of it |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #31 |
55. If Congress can make no law "respecting" an establishment of religion, then how can Congress make a |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
19. That relic of Bush's Talibanism should be abolished outright |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
23. Why do we need a faith office? |
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Jawja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:51 AM Response to Reply #23 |
40. We don't. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
26. This crap should be shut down, not expanded n/t |
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pjt7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. There should be no religious office |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Instead, the President is going to keep yet another campaign promise: |
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snake in the grass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
32. This office is useless... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
33. wtf? why is obama expanding this program? why? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
34. So is Josh DuBois the guy who picked McClurkin and Warren? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Good question |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #34 |
48. Someone just told me "yes" re: Donnie |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. Why is that not surprising? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
35. Under Bush, the FBI (faith based initiatives) office was a cynical farce. Obama will probably make |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
43. Hey, it's only a two minute prayer |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #43 |
57. Obama campaigned (via his website anyway) on INCREASING faith based initiatives, not decreasing |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
45. WTF is a "faith office" doing in US govt????? |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
47. How disgusting |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. since I now fund banks...and will fund religious organizations I would never give money |
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Phoonzang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
53. He should have selected a Buddhist monk. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #53 |
98. I would have preferred a Wiccan. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
58. Make your voice heard. www.whitehouse.gov. The other side of this issue sure is vocal! |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
60. A better move would have been to close the office. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
61. un. fucking. believable. nt |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
62. What life experience does a 26 year old pastor have? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
63. Don't worry. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Not at all worried, just scrutinizing the chessboard... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. They can say that all they want. The reality is... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. How do you know there is zero oversight? |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. So this is OK with you? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Then the government should do its oversight job. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. That's what I'm arguing for. Oversight never meant self-policing. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. I'm not sure what the motivation is, either. |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
74. and will Obama repeal this Bush related faith Exec order??:... |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
75. This should not be a government office! Where is the separation of church and state? |
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Sultana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
77. Faith Office? |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
78. So where's the money for agnostics & atheists, hmm? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Where's the money for followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. Seriously. I think someone should demand money for its charities. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
79. Oh gawd. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
80. Why is there still a "Faith Office"? When will we finally separate church and state ? n/t |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
81. I really think we need to have a "reality-based" office |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
82. Creeping theocracy |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
83. Thomas Jefferson .... |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
85. People, answer this question please: |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. As has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread... |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. It's not pandering. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. It's not an assumption. There HAVE been egregious misuses of federal funds. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #89 |
99. Source? |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Read the thread. Pat Robertson got $14 million. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. I just asked for sources - thats all |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Sorry to jump on you :) |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
101. This office should not exist...nt |
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