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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 01:50 PM
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Perves Musharraf was playing 'double game' with US
Source: UK Times Online

Washington sent Special Forces into Pakistan last summer after intercepting a call by the Pakistani army chief referring to a notorious Taleban leader as a “strategic asset,” a new book has claimed.

The intercept was ordered to confirm suspicions that the Pakistani military were still actively supporting the Taleban whilst taking millions of dollars in US military aid to fight them, according to the “The Inheritance,” by the New York Times correspondent David Sanger.

In a transcript passed to Mike McConnell, the Director of National Intelligence in May 2008, General Ashfaq Kayani, the military chief who replaced Pervez Musharraf, was overheard referring to Maulavi Jalaluddin Haqqani as “a strategic asset”. The remark was the first real evidence of the double game that Washington had long suspected President Musharraf was playing as he continued receiving US military aid while aiding the Taleban.

Mr Haqqani, a veteran of the anti-Soviet mujahidin wars of the nineties, commands a hardline Taleban group based in Waziristan and is credited with introducing suicide bombing into themilitants’ arsenal.

Washington later intercepted calls from Pakistani military units to Mr Haqqani, warning him of an impending military operation d esigned to prove to the US that Islamabad was tackling the militant threat.

Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5747696.ece
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 01:52 PM
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1. The irony of that headline in late breaking news is killing me.
:rofl:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:09 PM
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3. You know I was trying to think of something to say but I just can't beat
Edited on Mon Feb-16-09 02:09 PM by acmavm
your post. It says it all.

edit: and/but
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:08 PM
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2. I'm shocked - SHOCKED!
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roberto Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:45 PM
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6. why that ?
The US were leaded by an unbelievable "ass" with no intelligence. No one with a sense of intelligence could follow the US, only the british, but for other reasons. Musharaff was a very intelligent person. So, until a new person as US president may come and change that, he has to take care on both sides. There's no surprise on that. I'm not surprised, nor chocked. He knew better Pakistan, than the american's did... So ?
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:15 PM
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4. It is actually quite simple
Stop all aid to Pakistan. Without the aid, Pakistan cannot support the Taliban and without military assets and logistical support, Taliban will wither away. It is OUR money that is funding Taliban and Al Q'aeda with Pakistan acting as a conduit.

Without funds, Pakistan will disintegrate and cease to be a menace to the world.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:44 PM
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5. Why am I not surprised?
What other country has a military that is so spread all over the world as us, U.S.? Why?
What other country finances as much death and destruction as we do?
Think of the benefits to the world if this money and resources were put to peaceful uses.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 05:27 PM
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10. Oh, my. So naive.
So very, very, touchingly naive.
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 05:45 PM
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11. How so, or do we miss your point?
The US-led military-industrial complex, needing a new threat to replace the oh-so-useful "Global Communist Conspiracy," seizes upon an almost-forgotten by-product of the fight against the now-defunct boogie-man: Islamic Extremists! They were our well-funded friends when they were fighting the Commies, but now, we can build them up into the boogie-man of the 21st century. Of course, they can't fight without money and support, so we'll just keep in place all those back-channels from the Afghan war, talk tough in public, and turn a blind eye as our friend Pervez plays both sides. He gets to keep his own country unstable--to a point (good if you're a military dictator), and we get a somehow unbeatable enemy. What they would call a "win-win" I suppose.

If you think THAT'S naive, please elaborate. And don't forget the facts that can be found here: http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:42 PM
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16. Of course. The military contractors that have grown obsecenely wealthy are not going
to simply give up those contracts because we have no viable enemies - they will create enemies, if necessary. We are talking about a sector of the economy which consumes trillions in government $$$ annually. You thought Big Oil was manipulative, huh, they don't hold a candle to the MIC.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 06:03 PM
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12. If it is your self-assessment, it is dead accurate. n/t
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 10:41 AM
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20. not to mention predictable n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:06 PM
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14. the Taliban is a straw man as well..
We have been negotiating with the Taliban for a while now. The reason why we put them in power in the first place was to tamp down the violence so the pipelines could be built. All of our puppets in the Middle east are necessary for dominance in the region.

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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:48 PM
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7. The four most satisfying words in the English language:
I told you so.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 03:06 PM
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8. And they had to intercept a call to figure that out.
What kind of idiots do we have in the CIA. That was a no-brainer from the beginning of our

Washington later intercepted calls from Pakistani military units to Mr Haqqani, warning him of an impending military operation d esigned to prove to the US that Islamabad was tackling the militant threat.

“They must have dialled 1-800-HAQQANI” a source told Mr Sanger. “It was something like, ‘Hey, we’re going to hit your place in a few days, so if anyone important is there, you might want to tell them to scram’.”

The intercept was the clue that led the CIA to uncover evidence of collusion between the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) and Mr Haqqani in a plot to carry out a spectacular bombing in Afghanistan. Two weeks later, India’s Embassy in Kabul was bombed, killing fifty-four people and prompting a CIA mission to Islamabad to challenge the government with their evidence.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5747696.ece
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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 03:08 PM
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9. I am shocked
:sarcasm:
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 06:49 PM
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13. And he seemed like such a nice man, when he went on the Daily Show
...that Mr. Musharraf.

But I think more is at stake than meets the eye, there...

In the 1960's and 1970's, the hub of the international heroin trade was something called, "The Golden Triangle." Up in the mountains, in remote areas of Vietnam, Thailand, Burma/Myanmar and Laos, the region's distribution network was for drugs what MadeInChina is to WalMart, today.

But oddly, after the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam, much of that same part of the world is now practically Drug-Free!!!

Instead, something called, "The Golden Crescent" (including Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan) is today's pipeline.

Again, oddly enough, before the U.S.-backed Mujahadeen War against the Soviets, in the 1980's, that region was practically drug-free.

Today -- after that embarassing interruption caused by the Taliban, who had actually brought a halt to all poppy cultivation, shortly before 9/11/2001; this region is once again ----> proudly and unmistakably, Number One!

...It's more complicated than just a "double game," is what I'm saying.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 09:34 PM
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17. Well said.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 07:37 AM
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19. Nice post. (n/t)
:toast:
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 11:27 AM
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21. Conspiracy theorist!!!
Edited on Tue Feb-17-09 11:32 AM by ronnie624
It's just pure happenstance that U.S. interventionism is always centered around a drug smuggling route worth hundreds of billions of dollars a year!!!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:28 PM
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15. No..
... shit Sherlock?

Anyone who thought Pakistan was actually on our side should be flipping burgers.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 04:03 AM
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18. Bushies knew Pakistan's relationship with al Qaeda & Taleban, Bushies played double game
Bush let Pakistan evacuate Taliban and al Qaeda leaders from Tora Bora, and the Taliban depended on patronage from Pakistan.

Far from operating behind the Bush administration's back, they were Bush's Iqor that let the monster out of his cell when the Bushies needed him to scare us.

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