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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:37 PM
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Breaking: Murder Charge Announced in Levy Case
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 01:39 PM by Tab
Source: Washington Post



D.C. police and federal prosecutors announce they have charged an illegal immigrant from El Salvador with first-degree murder in the death of Chandra Levy in Rock Creek Park in May 2001. Ingmar Guandique, 27, is already serving a 10-year prison sentence for attacking two other women at knifepoint in the park around the time of Levy's disappearance.



Read more: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2009/03/chandra_levy_case_arrest_annou.html
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:42 PM
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1. Lemme guess...it ISN'T the guy convicted by the M$M media back in the day...
...bunch of g*ddamned presstitute whores...(Condit was no saint, but he didn't deserve to have his life destroyed either...)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:01 PM
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7. yeah, well, if Condit hadn't fucking stonewalled for weeks
and fucked up the investigation, he might not have looked like such a good candidate for having engaged in foul play.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:15 PM
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12. Yeah, it's HIS fault...
:eyes:
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:34 PM
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17. My thoughts exactly. The man was wrongfully rushed to judgment in the media.
He somehow should have been exclaiming his innocence more persuasively?

:eyes:

(And I don't even like Condit. Wasn't he a Republican?)
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:56 PM
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32. Democrat.
In England (not 100% sure so don't quote me) the media is not allowed to release names of suspects until a case is resolved. I could be wrong - maybe it's not that way anymore.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:49 PM
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18. uh, yeah, at least in part. He fucking lied to the police investigating her disappearance
not once but twice, the pig. Here's this young woman who's missing and Congressman Creep is more concerned with it being found out that he'd been fucking her than with her welfare. Condit didn't admit to the affair until faced with ev\idence of the affair.

Fuck the scummy bastard.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:40 PM
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21. Yeah because that's the same as being a murderer, right?
:eyes:

The right-wing whores in the media convicted him without so much as, what's that quaint stuff called? oh yeah, EVIDENCE...

Fuck that noise...
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:55 PM
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23. He had every right to decline cooperation.
The guy had good lawyers, and they told him not to speak. You'd be surprised how effective cops are at obtaining/extracting "incriminating" evidence from suspects.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #7
37. DING DING DING! Cali, you're our grand prize winner!
If Condit hadn't fucking stonewalled for weeks and fucked up the investigation...

Protecting his harem of mistresses was more important to him than helping to catch a killer and eliminating himself as a suspect. He still gets no sympathy points from me.

:headbang:
rocktivity
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:34 PM
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35. Condit was no democrat .. he was a DINO
he was one of 4 democrats voting to impeach Bill Clinton.

He deserved everything he got.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:43 PM
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2. there are still many unanswered questions.
didn't chandra leave her keys and other things in the apartment? didn't they say it seemed like she left with someone she knew?
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:44 PM
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3. Greta, is that you?
:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:





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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:56 PM
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5. yeah cause of course every woman takes a purse and briefcase jogging ...
:wtf:
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:00 PM
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6. didn't she leave her keys? nt
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:12 PM
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11. I leave my keys when I walk my dogs ...
... I have a 'hiding place' outside the house where they're stashed, that way if I am mugged, they're not going to have access to my house/car, etc.

:shrug:
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. no need for you to worry.
Wonder woman will kick ass. lol
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
14. You don't take your keys and purse with you when you go for a jog
in the park.

You stick a spare key in your sock, so you run unencumbered.

Next?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:51 PM
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4. You're Gary Condit: Do You Sue Limbaugh & Co, or Offer Pistols At Dawn?
It worked for Aaron Burr. Well ...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:04 PM
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8. If I was Gary Condit, I'd be hiding in shame wishing people would stop talking about me
:nuke:
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:08 PM
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9. He Had Nothing to Do With It.
People who talk about him are the ones who have no shame. The only thing Condit was ever guilty of was being a lousy husband; in other words, he was no different than the garden variety Republican.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:17 PM
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13. He wasn't just a lousy husband
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 02:18 PM by slackmaster
He was boinking an intern, and lied about it repeatedly during the investigation. His stonewalling delayed justice.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #9
19. bullshit. He lied to the police in the middle of a serious investigation
he brought it on himself.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Yup...that's the same as being guilty of murder...
:eyes:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Well, not quite
But it is worthy of hiding in shame and wishing people would stop talking about him.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. ...and yet not QUITE enough to try and convict him of a crime he didn't commit..
...which is sort of my point...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. except NO ONE tried to convict him.
but keep making shit up. it really bolsters your argument.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. ..that was "try" is in "try a case" not "try" as in "attempt to do something"...
...but keep mis-reading shit and lipping off, it really bolsters your point...

The media DID try AND convict him....scumbag or not, he deserved better than that...or do you still beat your wife?

:eyes:
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. No he didn't deserve more than that...
He was a public servant, they are held to a higher standard than the average citizen.

Condit had a affair with Levy, that is a fact.
Condit lied TWICE to investigators, that is a fact.

Are you saying Condit's political career was more important this woman's life? Because I don't.

And reading between the lines I believe you think he should have been give a pass simply because he was a Democrat.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:21 AM
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47. So he lied about an affair and therefore deserves to get smeared as a murderer?
Wow...those are some fucked up values if you ask me...And I don't care if he was a member of the Fancy-Dress Party he didn't deserve the treatment he got in the media...or has the assumption of innocence before being PROVEN guilty been abolished in this country when I wasn't looking?

Was he a scumbag? Yes.

Did he deserve to get his life dragged through the mud by the lazy-ass and complicit right-wing corporate media? FUCK NO.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:41 PM
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30. He was never charged with a crime
:shrug:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. golly, people who lie to the cops in the middle of a serious criminal investigation
aren't doing a damn thing to bring suspicion on themselves. brilliant, analysis there, genius.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:28 PM
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29. Golly so people who want to keep their private lives PRIVATE are automatically assumed to be guilty
..of murder? Fantastic leap of logic there rocket-scientist...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 01:10 AM
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:55 AM
Response to Reply #38
40. temper, temper
little tankypoo. Oh that's right, you're an insanely out of control little critter.

:rofl:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #38
45. It's fucking 'Ignored' from now on...what a tool box...
:eyes:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:54 AM
Response to Reply #29
39. lying to the cops in the midst of a serious criminal investigation
because you want to keep your private life private? Pricelessly stupid, dear. Yeah, that sort of shit makes people suspicious. Shocking.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #39
50. Still doesn't justify hounding the guy out of office because the lazy media has nothing better to do
...Shocking I know, but I thought the standard was innocent until PROVEN guilty...or was the media lynching of President Clinton perfectly okay in your book as well?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:26 AM
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55. I don't think the media lynched either Condit or Clinton and I do think
that both largely brought their problems on themselves. Furthermore, Innocent until proven guilty is a LEGAL CONCEPT not one that applies outside the courtroom. I'm free to draw my own conclusions. And so are you. That's how it should be.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #55
56. You were obviously on a different plane of existence during that time...
..
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:55 PM
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59. I do remember the media on this daily. The mother of this
girl counted on the media doing this. The curious thing is why the media ended the coverage. There is more to this story than a tawdry affair. And the media was complicit in distracting the public during crucial events going on in California during this time period. Redistricting Condit's area, and making it more Repbulican. But the mother of this daughter who counted on the media to keep her daughter in the headlines lost the media when Condit was gone. Just something about the media attention on this paticular missing women was over the top, until the hit was done, and then they left.


But even if you don't think condit was lynched, no doubt you heard more about Chandra Levi than about this intern:At Least Chandra Levy Wasn't Found Dead in Condit's Office - Why is Joe Scarborough Appearing as a Republican Spokesman on Hardball?
26-Feb-03
Joe Scarborough
Jackson Thoreau writes: "Did anyone else object to seeing former Florida Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough - the Reps' answer to Gary Condit - on MSNBC's Hardball Tuesday as a party debate member against a Democratic Congresswoman from California on Iraq? That's like the Democrats putting up fellow accused adulterer and former California Congressman Gary Condit. Since Scarborough was forced to resign his seat in 2001 after an alleged extramarital affair with aide Lori Klausutis, who was found dead in his office with a major head injury...Scarborough has found a good living as a Republican media whore on Hardball and other shows. Bush even appointed him to the Resident's Council on the 21st Century Workforce, where he serves with Labor Secretary Chao. Meanwhile, Condit, whose mistress at least did not die in his office and was never linked to her disappearance, has been exiled, probably never to be heard from again. Does anyone besides me see the hypocrisy in this treatment?"http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Joe%20Scarborough


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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. His interview with Connie Chung was beyond bizarre.
That's what really did him in as a public figure. It's obvious now that he wasn't guilty, but it wasn't then, and he brought much of it on himself.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. Time for Gary Condit to sue Fox News Channel into the ground
yee-haw!
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:02 PM
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20. I'm still mad at the state senate seat we lost cause of this.
In 2002, we lost a state senate seat that was pretty much crafted just for Condit's son. He would have easily won it. Instead, he couldn't run, and we lost it narrowly because of a local anti-Democratic trend related to this case.
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:34 PM
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31. So much wrong with this case from the beginning....
The body winds up being discovered by a dog walker a year after she goes missing, in an area covered heavily by searchers and K-9 units. Now I could see a quick sweep missing the remains. But if IIRC they were found next to a tree with her walkman sitting on a nearby rock! A year later! I always figured someone had the body on ice and put it into position long after the ground search had given up.

I never figured this case for a random slash-slash predator.

This story was at the top of the news “hit parade” for that entire spring & summer, right up until 9-11. Meanwhile our loving government was trying to sell the invasion of Afghanistan to other nations:

Here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm

And

Here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4587368/

In the aftermath of everything that happened I always figured that the demise of Chandra Levy and the breathless panting of the MSM about kinky ol’ Gary wasn’t somehow a part of the smoke & mirrors.

Oh yeah, didn’t Gary sit on an intelligence committee? I can’t recall which one, but that report always made me go Hmmmm.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:23 PM
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34. Condit caused his own troubles
the media didn't make him lie to the police and any sane person would've been suspicious of his actions.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. What...by being innocent of the crime? Nope-- doesn't even remotely pass the smell
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 11:03 PM by Malikshah
test.


Did Richard Jewell cause his own destruction too?

By the logic used, he did...


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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:56 AM
Response to Reply #36
41. Did Jewel lie to the cops? twice?
Was Condit charged with anything? Fuck the little cowardly asshole.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. Yup-- love that whole embracing of justice logic. Cause, as we all know, the
justice system is completely blind.

Again-- did Condit commit the crime against Levy?

Logic is such a pesky thing when it is mixed with common sense and decency.
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 08:56 AM
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43. Logic? Blind? What fertilizer
If Condit had been a repuke, there would have been cries of

"What a scumbag! Why couldn't he keep his pants zipped? That poor girl, she was taken in by that adulterous scumbag! I bet he forced her to have sex."

But since Condit was a Democratic politician he was supposed to get a pass for everything. And people have the nerve to blame Levy? What's next? Blaming a rape victim for "wanting it" if the accused is a Democratic politician? Because what you're talking about is TWO standards of justice. One for Democrats and another for Republicans. If a married politician of any gender, of any party, expects to fuck around in this day and age, and not get caught, they are living in a dream world, and they have NO ONE to blame for the consequences but themselves. Seem like they would ALL have learned what happened with Gary Hart, but too many of them are so arrogant they think it "will never happen to me".
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #43
44. Sarcasm smilie missing here.
Condit was treated in a fashion similar to the bolded portion provided.

He is a scum bag.

He did not however commit the crime that the media and public opinion accused him of doing...

Enjoy the oblivion and the fertilizer that has been spread over this story by those who wish to lay the ills of the world at the feet of Condit and not admit that they succumbed to mob mentality and irrational groupthink.

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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #44
48. It's Disconcerting...(Not to mention sickening)
...to find out that DEMOCRATS (posting on this forum) don't believe in our justice system (innocent until proven guilty) any more than republicans do.

If the voters don't want him because he's a womanizer, fine. Don't vote for him. But to convict the man of murder in the media is sick and worthy of some third world country where they have no justice system at all.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #48
53. innocent until proven guilty is a legal concept
it's not designed to prevent people from speculating or talking. And it would be a very bad thing if it was. And he shouldn't have fucking lied in a criminal investigation when a young woman was missing.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:20 AM
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46. had Condit ever been charged with a crime- as Jewel actually was-
you might have a point. He wasn't. You don't. And you seem blissfully unacquainted with logic, dear.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #46
51. Don't "dear" me, sunshine. Condit was accused, indicted, judged, and found
guilty by the media and court of public opinion.

The rest is obfuscating semantics on your part.

As for being blissfully unaware-- reality is something that folks need to look into.

More's the pity that folks cannot admit their willful ignorance of what was done to Condit.

I would humbly suggest that folks be mindful that they don't burn themselves on that tar. It gets mighty sticky and nasty.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. What part of he LIED to the cops during a criminal investigation is so
difficult for you to grasp. And fuck no, he was not persecuted in the press. He fell under suspicion largely because he's a lying sack of shit.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #52
60. Did I laud Condit? No. Did I equate lying to cops with murder? No
Get a grip.

Show the court on the doll where Condit abused one's ego.

What is difficult for some to grasp is that a witch hunt was under way in a major fashion.

Now, if one enjoys witch hunts or condones them, then by all means-- get the wienies ready for a good old fashioned stake burning....

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:24 AM
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49. glad they caught the murderer n/t
s
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:24 AM
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54. "an illegal immigrant from El Salvador"
hmmmmm...
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #54
57. they forgot something "an illegal immigrant convicted felon from El Salvador"
and more than likely you can add "murderer" to his title too.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:45 PM
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58. So the police were investigating a murder

- Condit lied to the police twice during the investigation;
- it turned out that Condit was having a secret affair with the victim, a subordinate 30 years his junior;
- the truth about the affair coming out obviously had the potential to ruin Condit politically;
- Condit drove out to some suburb to dispose of a gift box in a dumpster.

and several DUers are absolutely *shocked* that many viewed Condit as a possible suspect? I'm not sure what is going on here- perhaps some sort of concerted effort to rehabilitate Condit's reputation- but it isn't working; these people are just embarrassing themselves.

Condit is not owed an apology. Rather, he owes an apology to the victim's family for screwing up the original investigation by his lying sleazy behavior and making it harder for the police to catch the real culprit.
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:19 PM
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61. "What's going on here?"
Simple, you have some people trying to let Condit evade responsibility for his actions simply because he was a Democratic politician. That's it in a nutshell.
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