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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 04:57 AM
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Iran's Supreme Leader Dismisses Obama's Appeal
Source: Voice of America

Iran's Supreme Leader Dismisses Obama's Appeal

By VOA News
21 March 2009

Iran's supreme leader is dismissing calls from U.S. President Barack Obama for a "new beginning" in relations between the two countries. Speaking in the holy city of Mashhad Saturday, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that, despite Mr. Obama's words, he sees no change in U.S. policy toward Iran. Earlier, a senior Iranian official welcomed the U.S. president's appeal while also warning words alone were not enough to improve relations.

In a videotaped message to the Iranian people marking the New Year holiday of Nowruz, Mr. Obama said Friday he is committed to diplomacy to address "serious differences" between the U.S. and Iran.

U.S. State Department spokesman Robert Wood said the message is one of several gestures planned by the administration to advance better relations with Iran. He said the U.S. was looking for a reciprocal gesture from Iran.

- snip -

Leaders of the European Union, Germany and France all welcomed Mr. Obama's overture to Iran. Mr. Obama's remarks are in contrast to those of his predecessor, George W. Bush, who tried to isolate Iran and described it as part of an "Axis of Evil." Iranian President Ahmadinejad has said Iran is ready for talks with the U.S. in an atmosphere of "mutual respect."

Read more: http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-03-21-voa6.cfm
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 05:10 AM
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1. Me thinks he gonna be sorry .............
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 05:11 AM
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2. It doesn`t really matter what Ahmadinejad says.It`s the mullahs who is pulling the strings...
just look at when President Khatami was in power.He tried to reform the country but nothing happened because the mullahs stopped him.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 05:17 AM
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3. It wasn't Ahmandinejad, it was Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 05:19 AM
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4. There's an Ahmanidinejad quote at the end of the excerpt.
I believe the poster is responding to that.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 05:21 AM
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6. Gotcha.
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:48 AM
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14. Exactly!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 02:14 PM
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16. Apologies. I was reading a different article at the same time from AP...
...and the last snip wasn't in that piece. Though VOA and AP were almost word for word..:shrug:
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 05:03 PM
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20. No problem my friend.It`s ok.
:toast:
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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 05:20 AM
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5. This sets the stage for wider sanctions ..
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 06:35 AM
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7. Re: sanctions are already harsh
While the anti-Iran crowd might think means the surf's up, Obama's 'olive branch' was more like a lifeless twig and came to coincide with the lesser-reported renewal of existing penalties ... based solely on mistrust, hardly upon goodill or any of the weakness which authentic cross-cultural goodwill seems to represent to those whose opinions seem to matter most.

Imagine if such things were visited upon us, for heaven's sake.

Re: Iran Daily 3/18/09 - Obama Policy
Disappointing

http://www.iran-daily.com/1387/3363/html/national.htm#s369600

"Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said the Obama administration’s stances on Iran have been “disappointing“.
Addressing a rare news conference on Tuesday he said “Some approaches by the new American administration have been a disappointment. However time will tell and their true intentions will become clearer,“ Larijani told in a news conference in Tehran.

"The senior lawmaker was referring to Obama’s stances and moves against the Islamic Republic that are a far cry from his campaign pledges to bring “change“ to US foreign policy.

"On Thursday, the first Afro-American US leader renewed sanctions against Iran for another year and like his controversial predecessor claimed that Tehran is still a threat to US national security, Presstv reported."


The threat is building, yes. Outcomes have proven less positive than our side predicted of late. Obama did promise a new approach, but hasn't really got the clout to offer one in his factually limitted capacity; so, one war at a time, please, and don't penalize harmless civilian populations any more than you might find absolutely imperative ... please.

Forward-looking warmongers who care not what they've done to Iraq should not be taking the lead in US' Middle East policy STILL, but more-or-less are. That IS the problem!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:43 AM
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13. Obama's address wasn't just for Iran, it was to send a message to the
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 10:44 AM by alfredo
Arab world that America is changing course. Obama's address backed Iran's conservative leadership into a corner. Elections are coming up. Obama is giving hope to the moderates that tensions will ease if Iran moves in that direction. It can only strengthen their position in their struggles against the conservatives.

Forgot to add: It was a threat from us that pushed Iran to the right and into the arms of Amadinejad.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:57 PM
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26. Vast majority of Iranians are not Arabs
They consider themselves to be Persian (mostly). It is like calling Germans English. They don't like it.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:11 PM
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30. and the springtime holiday Barack mentioned is a tradition among the Kurds
more then the majority Persian population. At least that what another article mentioned.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:50 PM
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32. That's why I mentioned the Arab world as opposed to Iran.
In north Iran, there is a town with my surname.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:51 PM
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33. You know what - I'm an idiot
I misread your post. Sorry.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:11 PM
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35. Don't worry, we all have brain farts from time to time.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:51 AM
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8. At some point we are going to have to address the wrongs we've done Iran.
Frankly, I think the best course is to deal with it coming out the starting gate. If we get it out of the way now. So it won't haunt us in future endeavors. It would be insincere and unrealistic to think we can reform a friendship without confronting the "differences" that destroyed the friendship in the first place. That would not work out between two people. It most definitely will not work out between two nations. It may provide for a rocky start. But clearing up our past would be a long term investment in future realtions. Good and lasting changes don't come easy. So it doesn't happen over night.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:40 AM
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9. Iranian Blogger Dies in Prison ( the mullahs need their straw man great satan)
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 08:41 AM by ohio2007
the mullahs have spoken and at some point-


Human rights groups and an American-financed radio station report that an Iranian blogger, Omidreza Mirsayafi, who had been sentenced to two years in prison for insulting the country’s leaders, died in Tehran’s Evin Prison on Wednesday.

snip

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/iranian-blogger-dies-in-prison/?hp

-the mullahs will have to be held accountable for the wrongs they are doing.

"...the righteous rise
with burning eyes
of hatred and ill will

..madmen feed on fear and lies
to bleed and burn and kill..."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gHKNwpny9o
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 09:34 AM
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10. The message wasn't wasted though. I bet, in fact I'm sure, that Obama
reached a large section of the population. Especially the young.

Don't ask me for proof, I don't have it. I just believe that young people who are looking for a better life, a peaceful safe and secure life, would rather hear the offer of reconciliation and negotiation than the bitter ramblings of a bunch of whackjob fundies who are stuck back in the Dark Ages looking for their road to power and control.

This is was a move by Obama that surprised the hell out of me. I didn't think he'd ever be so open and blatant in his overtures to that other Axis of Evil member, Iran. I think it was BRILLIANT! It shows that he is willing to be a true broker for peace in the Middle East, unlike Chimpy who thought he would be getting the Nobel for his ineptitude and blind support of the Zionists in Israel.
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 09:39 AM
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11. Agreed. n/t
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:32 AM
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12. Well said. The Iranian leaders may be sticking with the "evil America" bogeyman, because
that's worked for them in the past, but they have to be a little worried how this will play out down the road with their own people.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 02:52 PM
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18. It was a very smart move. Peace is a threat to those who rule by fear.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:59 AM
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15. LA Times: Iran's Khamenei rebuffs Obama overture
Iran's Khamenei rebuffs Obama overture
Iran's supreme leader says Tehran seeks U.S. policy shifts, not merely 'changes in words.' The U.S., he says, could begin by lifting economic sanctions and retracting 'hostile propaganda.'
By Borzou Daragahi and Ramin Mostaghim
March 21, 2009 - http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-obama-iran22-2009mar22,0,1437314.story


Reporting from Tehran and Beirut -- Iran's most powerful figure today dismissed President Obama's extraordinary Persian New Year gesture, insisting that the U.S. administration's actions must match its rhetoric before Iran would alter its foreign policy stances.

Supreme leader Ali Khamenei, who is Iran's highest spiritual, military and political authority, told supporters in his hometown of Mashhad today that "changes in words" won't be enough to convince Iran that the Obama administration is sincere in its outlook.

"We do not have any record of the new U.S. president," he said in a live television broadcast. "We are observing, watching and judging. If you change, we will also change our behavior. If you do not change, we will be the same nation as 30 years ago."

..................
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 02:17 PM
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17. Obama's Norouz Message to Iran ( VOA video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVwUWJGG9k0&feature=related

Obama called on Iran to renounce terrorism ( 2:00 )
mullahs response;

"take your change and go to hell"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 03:18 PM
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19. WOW. That's NOT the way it's being reported in the Arab world.
Check it out. Here's a video clip from a Dubai station yesterday. It's the very first story and quite positive:

http://www.linktv.org/mosaic
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:39 AM
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22. I expect no less then "an Easter message" from Tehran is being put together
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 09:45 AM by ohio2007
It is up to them to 'unclench their fist' and grab the pen.

Anything less and Barack will have to turn the other cheeks.

and moon them.
;) lol

jmo

on edit,


I like your choice of non MSM news links
http://www.linktv.org/mosaic

but some people fear news that isn't their familiar brand of
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:47 AM
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24. very interesting, EFerrari
this article isn't passing the smell test for me. Not till I get confirmation.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:58 PM
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27. I posted this thread yesterday, fyi:
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 09:16 PM
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21. The US should offer to restore diplomatic relations immediately.
That would be concrete. And it should apologize for supporting the shah, but I know that's not gonna happen.
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hugo_from_TN Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:34 AM
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23. I would be OK with that if Iran apoligized for holding U.S. embassy personnel hostage.
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:54 PM
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25. Sure, right after the United States govt apologizes
for killing a million Iraqis from 1991-2009.

Or is it two million...hell, who can keep count.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:00 PM
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28. Or after we apologize for overthrowing the democratically elected government of Iran
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 01:00 PM by EFerrari
in 1953 and sticking the Iranian people with that butcher the Shah.
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peace_to_world Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:06 PM
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29. US has itself created the anti US feelings
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:30 PM
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31. Yes, and our President is going about
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 02:30 PM by Cha
trying to resolve that in a peaceful manner.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 04:08 PM
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34. Like the Republicans
Look to Obama to reach out to them and then if they don't reach back it looks bad on the Iranian gov't.

US should apologize for overthrowing their gov't and installing the Shah. It wouldn't cost us anything and it would be huge to the moderate Iranians.
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