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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:07 AM
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Mexico prisoners crucify selves to protest ‘torture’
Source: Taipei Times

Two prisoners crucified themselves in southeast Mexico ahead of Easter after claiming to have been tortured to confess crimes, a state official said on Tuesday.

The prisoners tied themselves to wooden crosses made in a carpentry workshop and nailed holes in their hands until they bled, remaining there all day on Monday, the official said, requesting anonymity.

The two, who were later untied by fellow inmates, are part of 23 prisoners involved in two-week demonstrations at El Amate prison in Chiapas state, seeking a review of their cases and demanding to be freed.

The demonstrators, members of farmers’ unions, claim to have been tortured and forced to confess to murders and other crimes.



Read more: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2009/04/10/2003440661
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:11 AM
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1. kicking in solidarity n/t
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:25 AM
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2. Right there with ya! K&R "en solidaridad"


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 01:00 AM
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3. That government is unbelievable. If the people act extremely to call attention to their plight,
it's completely understandable when you realize what they're up against. My God...

Thank you for posting this information.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 05:19 AM
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4. A vision of our own future...
Mexico is an oligarchy. It is a vision of our own future if we do not do something. We need to dump Congress at the polls the way we dumped tea in Boston Harbor. Not just Republicans but many Democrats. Starting with Nancy Pelosi. She is still serving the Emperor. As is most of Barack Obama's cabinet. Which is really the cabinet of the Clintons.

A Congress of the people would not have allowed the past eight years to have happened. A Congress of the people would not have allowed it to continue.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 06:56 AM
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8. Well, if you're sooooooooooo sincere you believe all that,
do something. Stop bleating on and on about it.
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 06:43 AM
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6. They were members of the farmers union
I'd like to learn more about what's going on, down there.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 06:43 AM
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7. 'fuck of!!!' --
:rofl: 'get a brain moran!!1!' that's hugh!!1!'
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 07:00 AM
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9. To critique your three paragraphs, in order:
1. I'm a bisexual centrist Democrat, if that means anything to anyone -- to me it means I get turned down for dates by twice as many people, but I digress. Your use of "liberal-ass point of view" is a blind giveaway to ulterior thoughts and motives.

2. I can't argue against this because it does make sense. Though if one wants to hurt themselves as form of protest, one must ask why they wish to hurt themselves and then follow up with "Is anybody they're protesting against truly going to care?"

3a. Well, if I didn't believe you before, I certainly don't now. "liberal left-wing inhuman..." That's all too obvious.

3b. "Fuck of!!!!" Fuck of what, dear? :* :o

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robish518 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 07:07 AM
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11. Huh?
"I can't argue against this because it does make sense."....

If you agree that you're own self-righteous suicide is actually going to make a difference then go ahead and kill yourself. It doesn't actually matter, because after the death of one more human being (1 out of 6,000,000,000 people) is actually going to make a difference, then go ahead.

I don't understand how condoning torture because of torture is actually progressive? Can you explain this?
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robish518 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 07:08 AM
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12. Oh and I'm sorry
You get shot down by so many willing individuals that want to consummate their "love" for you.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 07:03 AM
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10. Read this blog link. Every time I hear something like this I get suspicious of who is behind it.
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 07:06 AM by 1776Forever
Thursday, November 01, 2007
Blackwater Goes to Mexico

http://deepconfusion.blogspot.com/2007/11/blackwater-goes-to-mexico.html

.........

Maybe I have a tin foil hat on but this has been reported on since that time too by some news sources.

Check this out:

Blackwater's Private Spies
By Jeremy Scahill

This article appeared in the June 23, 2008 edition of The Nation.
June 5, 2008

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080623/scahill

(snip)

In September it was revealed that Blackwater had been "tapped" by the Pentagon's Counter Narcoterrorism Technology Program Office to compete for a share of a five-year, $15 billion budget "to fight terrorists with drug-trade ties." According to the Army Times, the contract "could include antidrug technologies and equipment, special vehicles and aircraft, communications, security training, pilot training, geographic information systems and in-field support." A spokesperson for another company bidding for the work said that "80 percent of the work will be overseas." As Richard Douglas, a deputy assistant secretary of defense, explained, "The fact is, we use Blackwater to do a lot of our training of counternarcotics police in Afghanistan. I have to say that Blackwater has done a very good job."

Such an arrangement could find Blackwater operating in an arena with the godfathers of the war industry, such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon. It could also see Blackwater expanding into Latin America, joining other private security companies well established in the region. The massive US security company DynCorp is already deployed in Colombia, Bolivia and other countries as part of the "war on drugs." In Colombia alone, US military contractors are receiving nearly half the $630 million in annual US military aid for the country. Just south of the US border, the United States has launched Plan Mexico, a $1.5 billion counternarcotics program. This and similar plans could provide lucrative business opportunities for Blackwater and other companies. "Blackwater USA's enlistment in the drug war," observed journalist John Ross, would be "a direct challenge to its stiffest competitor, DynCorp--up until now, the Dallas-based corporation has locked up 94 percent of all private drug war security contracts." The New York Times reported that the contract could be Blackwater's "biggest job ever."

As populist movements grow stronger in Latin America, threatening US financial interests as well as the standing of right-wing US political allies in the region, the "war on drugs" is becoming an increasingly central part of US counterinsurgency efforts. It allows for more training of foreign security forces through the private sector--away from Congressional oversight--and a deployment of personnel from US war corporations. With US forces stretched thin, sending private security companies to Latin America offers Washington a "small footprint" alternative to the politically and militarily problematic deployment of active-duty US troops. In a January report by the United Nations working group on mercenaries, international investigators found that "an emerging trend in Latin America but also in other regions of the world indicates situations of private security companies protecting transnational extractive corporations whose employees are often involved in suppressing the legitimate social protest of communities and human rights and environmental organizations of the areas where these corporations operate."

If there is one quality that is evident from examining Blackwater's business history, it is the company's ability to take advantage of emerging war and conflict markets. Throughout the decade of Blackwater's existence, its creator, Erik Prince, has aggressively built his empire into a structure paralleling the US national security apparatus. "Prince wants to vault Blackwater into the major leagues of U.S. military contracting, taking advantage of the movement to privatize all kinds of government security," reported the Wall Street Journal shortly after Nisour Square. "The company wants to be a one-stop shop for the U.S. government on missions to which it won't commit American forces. This is a niche with few established competitors."

.......

Will we ever know what kind of tactics are being used by these "mercenaries" there? I doubt it.

As this article goes on to say:

CIR Staff | The Investigative Report | June 11, 2008
Blackwater—the new CIA?

http://centerforinvestigativereporting.org/blogpost/20080611blackwater%E2%80%94thenewcia

Scahill reports, the creator of Blackwater, Erik Prince, has even bigger plans: A move into privatized "CIA-style" intelligence services with a new enterprise called Total Intelligence Solutions. Schahill writes:

The company's leadership reads like a Who's Who of the CIA's 'war on terror' operations after 9/11. As the United States finds itself in the midst of the most radical privatization agenda in its history, few areas have seen as dramatic a transformation to privatized services as the world of intelligence.

"This is the magnet now. Everything is being attracted to these private companies in terms of individuals and expertise and functions that were normally done by the intelligence community," says former CIA division chief and senior analyst Melvin Goodman. "My major concern is the lack of accountability, the lack of responsibility. The entire industry is essentially out of control. It's outrageous."

:shrug:
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 08:31 AM
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14. Always oppressing the poor...
It's sad to see a country that I love repeat its own history decade after decade. Poor Mexico and its oppressed millions. They need another revolution. I don't see it happening, but what the government does to the people there is stunning (I'm not looking for a comparison with the US).

Interesting that peasants are charged with Will's murder. The government has continually accused the poor of heinous things such as this. Philip True, a Texas journalist, was killed in another part of Mexico. Two Indians who couldn't defend themselves, were charged and imprisoned in his murder...despite evidence to the contrary.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 08:58 AM
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15. Completely sadistic way of handling a state murder, isn't it? Implicate OTHER people they want
to harm for their murders.

I believe it was common knowledge the photographer got the image of the guy coming toward him who was testified to have killed him, either a cop or a paramilitary thug.

Thanks for the info. on Philip True, and that evil solution by the government.

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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 09:25 AM
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16. Meanwhile in other former Spanish colonies
There will be people crucifying themselves today for kicks. What people can do to themselves with religion is amazing.
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