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YDogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:56 AM Original message |
BREAKING NEWS: Obama leaves door to open to prosecutions over Bush-era interrogations |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. Woww! That's great |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. Did you read the story and actually think about it? Please |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
159. This has nothing to do with Obama.The AG works for us not the WH |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Obama doesn't get to say who gets prosecuted.DoJ is apolitical.It carries out the law |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. DoJ does not take orders from the WH. It's not up to Obama.That would be illegal |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
172. BREAKING NEWS: Eric Holder is leaving the door open not Obama. |
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Reterr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:41 AM Response to Reply #172 |
185. Stop replying to yourself man-its fucking weird.eom |
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shagsak (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #185 |
209. He does that to boost his post count |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. NOOO! This can't be! I need to bash Obama at the drop of a hat |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 05:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
200. Obama Copped Out - DOJ Is Keeping Hope Alive |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
3. Yup, Obama's Playing This Right |
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YDogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. agreed |
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justaregularperson (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
151. Actually he is responding to pressure. Not that it is bad to do so. |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #151 |
163. He's responding to his duty to stay out of it. Learn how government works |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. The DoJ would be "politicized" if Obama says who they could prosecute. |
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justaregularperson (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #163 |
175. Get off your high horse |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #151 |
183. Nope. He has allowed the public to see the truth; the only way he could hope to take |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #151 |
184. self delete dupe |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. And keep the CIA friendly |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yup, Notice How Obama Came Out And Thanked The CIA |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
24. Keep the CIA friendly? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Many leaders have been taken down by their own guards. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
80. Obama's move will make the CIA more willing to cooperate with prosecutors. |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. that's an optimistic thought |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. That's an old police method. Turn the underlings. |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. last time I had that sentiment / hope was with Fitzgerald |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #102 |
115. Scooter was a good soldier for the junta, so he got his stint in prison |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
143. Yup. don't piss off the Praetorian Guard. |
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RollWithIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
141. Because the CIA simply follows the rules set forth by the Executive Branch... |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
162. "why does he need to keep the CIA friendly"? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. That's been the most confusing |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. No, He's Not Exonerating Everyone, You Have To Carefully Parse His Statements |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
50. Zipplewrath did not say everyone and s/he did parse Obama's statements very well, IMO. Do you |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. If They Tortured BEFORE Legal Cover |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
92. As are you. And I am fine with that. BTw, a person can act in a good faith |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. No, It's Not Difficult, As I've Posted, If They Tortured BEFORE The Memos |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
81. Interesting. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. So You Have A Problem W/ Investigations? |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. I agree |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Trust your gut. Maybe you are confused because that is exactly what Obama wants you to be. |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Maybe so. n/t |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
87. "Trust your gut." |
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disndat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
139. Absolutely! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
46. You're contradicting yourself. On the one hand, you say he is playing it right. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Deleted sub-thread |
LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
111. If Obama takes focus off of the economy then the public will be pissed.... |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
112. Agree wholeheartedly. |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
119. EXACTEMENTE! |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
4. You had to know he wasn't going to persue this himself. That's why |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
60. So, why is he trying to limit this to lawyers and those who acted in bad faith, when |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
108. "Good faith" is a red herring. It has nothing to do with it. |
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RDANGELO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
6. Probably meaning the people who gave the legal opinions and |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. And The Torturers |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
62. Did Obama mention prosecuting the people who gave the orders? |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
165. It's not his job to say who gets prosecuted though he can give an opinion. |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. The Attorney General does not work for the president.The AG carries out the law... |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. The AG does not "make' the law, nor does the president.. Congress does. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #165 |
177. apparently it's his job to say who doesn't get prosecuted, though. nt |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
83. Personally, I'd like to know |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Very astute question! If a lawyer gives advice for which he has no basis, |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #89 |
131. This is a conspiracy case, it has very little to do with legal opinions. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #131 |
178. but with whom were they conspiring? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
7. Not possible |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. And his supporters love torture too! |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. I have been dreaming of being able to torture for years! |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
137. no obama is smart- the bots are a little dim |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
53. Really? You should be able to link to that post then. Are you able to link to it? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. Sure |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. You Tube is showing a post that you read on DU? Huh. Imagine that. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
11. So potentially it's up to the DOJ and/or Congress to act? |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Separation of powers Obama actually had NO say in this |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Yup, People Are Finally Starting To Get It, I've Been Saying It For Weeks |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. I made it my tagline because a lot of people aren't getting that fact. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. The Justice Department HAS to be separate from the White House |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
95. There are good reasons for appointing a special prosecutor. It's why Janet Reno |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. No but his Attorney General can... |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. and Holder has no authority in the world court |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Separation of powers is back in style! |
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stubtoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. Isn't THAT good news! n/t |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 05:55 AM Response to Reply #13 |
201. Bully Pulpit - No Discussion Is A Cop Out On And An Excuse For Obama |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
15. That article/video was just too long to wade through. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I don't think Rahm runs the Justice Dept either |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
17. I'll believe it when I'll see it. |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
202. Very Skeptical Here As Well |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
19. Soylent Brice is *staying tuned* for further details... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
23. I can breathe again.... . .n/t |
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NRaleighLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
25. Now THAT'S Change I can believe in! |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
26. It has been open the whole time!! |
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SeeHopeWin (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. AMEN! |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
41. agree. Just because one figures there is more going on than what is reported |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
84. Well, I'll believe it when I see it. |
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condoleeza (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
64. My thoughts on this exactly - well stated |
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YDogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
27. MSNBC is now linking to a video with David Schuster reporting on the story ... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
29. Video link: Obama "leaving the door open" |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
32. Link to MSNBC story: |
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YDogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. thanks for the link |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
35. K&R |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
36. Sorry, this is DISGUSTING.. Congress has indicated a desire to investigate. Obama CANNOT prevent |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
59. Isn't it smarter for him to let Congress take the lead? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. It is not up to him to "let" Congress or to forbid Congress. Congress can do what it wants. How- |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #70 |
174. Actually, Congress can investigate it, but AG appoints the prosecutor. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 04:13 AM Response to Reply #174 |
198. My post spoke exclusive to Congressional investigations, though. BTW, I don't |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #198 |
231. The statute gives no separation of good and bad faith. |
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SeeHopeWin (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
38. To all the Obama bashers: |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Please step away from the Kool Aid. |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. And you should take a deep breath and wait & see how things unfold. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. How long do we wait? BTW, why do you think Obama is saying this now? Do you think he is saying i |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
129. I was using what is known as a 'metaphor.' |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #72 |
156. you know it, N E |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
94. So you're actually advocating for public disengagement from the policy process? |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
104. Ahh. I was just looking for that. Thanks! |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
44. On CNN now too - GOOD FOR OBAMA!!! |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
45. Any prosecution of the Bush cabal is going to take some time. |
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cindyfaulkner (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
49. Hot damn |
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cosmicone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
56. Can't wait to see Cheney in handcuffs n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. That is not what Obama said. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. But it will be the end result. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Crystal ball? Or are you one of the double secret, double backwards sideways plan folk? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Back at ya |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. "Seem to think?" Now you are a mind reader, too? I never made a flat statement that it |
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Arrowhead2k1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
57. Today, someone in the Bush clan shat their pants. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
75. If they did, it was because of Congress. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
58. Yeah! (but let's keep the pressure on) |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
61. AP: Obama open to some interrogation prosecution |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Transcript, Obama full remarks: |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. First, let's kill all the lawyers, Henry VI |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
116. My 2 cents about going after the policy makers and not those who carried out the law |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #116 |
125. I totally agree. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. I would also like to add that any who practices torture TODAY should be punished |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #130 |
146. What you're saying reminds me of The Stanford prison experiment . |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #116 |
134. I agree for the most part |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #116 |
179. the cia is perhaps the most corrupt institution in the history of mankind. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #179 |
207. Some of them actually do |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:24 AM Response to Reply #116 |
191. I did not see Obama even hinting that he wanted to go after policy makers, which would lead right up |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #191 |
206. It's a house of cards |
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DebbieCDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
68. I'll believe when I see it |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. I'll wait for the convictions. I've seen too many Congressional investigations and Ted Stevens, for |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
71. Ultimately the legality of these issues MUST be decided by the Judiciary. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Yes, but, in order to get the matter before an American judge, someone has to prosecute. So, no |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
79. Either we prosecute or Spain and other countries will. Who would you |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. Given our record, I'd rather go with an unknown like Spain. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Spain doesn't have the death penalty, so maybe they'd fare better there. |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
82. You mean he finally realized ... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. I think Congress realized it. Congressional investigations don't seem to end in very many |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
103. 'He' never closed the door. His chief of staff and press |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #103 |
124. An assumption on your part |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. I'll take 'needs to be replaced' for a thousand. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #124 |
128. The mere fact they were both contradicted today by the |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:37 AM Response to Reply #128 |
192. Not really. It could be that Rahm said exactly what his boss wanted him to say, but there has been |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #192 |
210. Much speculation can arise as a result of 'mixed messages.' |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:59 AM Response to Reply #124 |
197. Bingo. |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
99. I think Our President |
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Phoonzang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
100. So he's leaving the door open to prosecuting the people who ordered torture instead of |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #100 |
170. Obama has nothing to do with it.It's not his call."Holder" is leaving the door open |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #170 |
171. Holder is holding the door open. What an appropriate name.Obama thought you knew this |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
101. It has always been Eric Holder's call. Let's hope our new Attorney General loves the law. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:57 AM Response to Reply #101 |
196. He may love the law, but he may not be eager to attempt to enforce it over |
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Optical.Catalyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
105. Kicked and Recommended |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
106. Congratulations, Obama . . . if this is true!!! |
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Optical.Catalyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
107. It is past time to put Bush and his cohorts in jail |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #107 |
117. Terre Haute, Indiana, would be better |
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Optical.Catalyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Having a web cam in Bush's solitary confinement cell would be nice |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:53 AM Response to Reply #123 |
195. Do you believe that anyone will go after Bush? Or that Obama and/or the Supremes will not |
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Optical.Catalyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 05:10 AM Response to Reply #195 |
199. Public opinion has swayed President Obama from 'no prosecution' to 'consideration of prosecution' |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
109. Make sure to vote in the poll. As of now, 56% say no Bush officials should be prosecuted. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:19 AM Response to Reply #109 |
190. I'm sure what the Obama administration has been saying on that subject had no influence whatever on |
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santamargarita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
110. When do we start? |
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Third Doctor (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. A bipartisan congressional investigation? |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
113. Hopefully the media will begin calling it what it is. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
118. so, someone without being snarky explain, please, why O even commented on this weeks back? |
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Stinger2 (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Spain: No torture probe of US officials |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #121 |
133. The Spanish judge is not backing off unless we do something. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. My guess... to get the reaction he did. |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. I really hope you're right. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #118 |
194. I think he said what he said originally because that is what he wanted and still wants. However, |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
120. Obama open to torture memos probe, prosecution |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
132. Not prosecuting the guilty parties is like letting your dog crap repeatedly |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #132 |
148. Obama is smart to keep himself out of it personally |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #148 |
204. Right. It's their crap to clean up. nt |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
135. The door is opened. The door is closed. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
136. Thank goodness!! nt |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
138. this is how the nazis got rolling-breakdown of the law-really important to hold accountable |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
140. One smart cookie |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
142. I'm so happy to hear that |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. Are you implying that only people from Appalachia are the torturers? |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Actually, I'm implying that only |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #150 |
158. Agreed. And any Democrats found complicit should also be prosecuted. n/t |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
144. Darth Cheney just shat in his pants. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. Isn't it interesting that we've heard nothing from Dumbyass about this? |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. Dumya's playing with a ball of yarn in his garage - we very possibly had a mentally ill pres. eom |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #149 |
173. No doubt in my mind... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:40 AM Response to Reply #145 |
193. George Bush always believed in letting others take the heat for him, even when he was a team owner. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
152. knick, nack, paddywack |
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alllyingwhores (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
153. uhm...I'll hold my breath...again. |
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Rwalsh (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
154. I see 2 possibilities: |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
155. the door needs to be ripped from it's frame.. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
157. I wonder if "we made him do it" |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #157 |
168. You can't make Obama prosecute as it's not his job.Only the AG can prosecute or decide to prosecute |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. The Attorney General works for the American people not the president |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #157 |
181. Not yet..., but he may want us to. |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
176. I believe we are being naive to believe that an opinion |
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Left Coast2020 (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #176 |
180. I would like to see Bybee removed from 9th Circut Court. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:06 AM Response to Reply #180 |
187. I emailed my Cong. Rep yesterday morning. I will do the same with my Senators today. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:11 AM Response to Reply #176 |
188. Most of them are lawyers as well as politicians, but there is no reason to bash lawyers That is a |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:15 AM Response to Reply #176 |
189. This whole mess and we are down to a couple of lawyers and those who |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
182. Amazing. Only 49 recs. Who the fuck ARE these people on DU? |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
186. Oh shit! This is after months of reluctance of course! |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
203. If so, it will be the first time in awhile he has pleased this lefty... |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
205. AG Holder we want some action!!!! |
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wiggitywack (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
208. MSNBC poll shows 57% of people |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
211. Obama Suggests Bush-Era Officials Could Be Prosecuted |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #211 |
212. The message from the media is loud and clear: |
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Frances (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #212 |
214. It's not about torture |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #214 |
215. Much of Clinton's trouble was self-inflicted. He certainly didn't |
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Frances (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #215 |
216. It's true that Bill Clinton had trouble keeping his pants zipped, |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #216 |
222. I agree with the larger point but take exception to |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #222 |
229. You got that right. Clinton didn't do dick for me. |
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Frances (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. By that logic, you could say that Obama hasn't done anything for you |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #212 |
220. They're hoping to make him tip his hand n/t |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #212 |
221. That's where DU comes in. |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #212 |
227. The coverup is always worse |
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boomerbust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #211 |
213. This supporter |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #211 |
217. i love how one man can make the entire M$M absolutely insane. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #211 |
218. Looks like Obama adopts whatever political position lets him lead the herd of opinion. n/t |
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boomerbust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #218 |
223. Spoken like |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #223 |
225. Have a nice day. n/t |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #218 |
226. "There go the people. I must follow them for I am their leader." |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #211 |
219. Seems to be a lot of "suggesting" going on. nt. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #211 |
224. If they tortured, I hope they fry. |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #211 |
228. Sound & Fury signifiying Nothing. |
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