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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:47 PM
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Bolivia opposition deny links to alleged plot
Source: Reuters

LA PAZ, April 21 (Reuters) - Leaders of Bolivia's rightist opposition denied on Tuesday any links to an alleged plot to kill President Evo Morales, and condemned last week's shooting of three suspected mercenaries by police.

Officials in the eastern city of Santa Cruz, an opposition stronghold, called for an international investigation into the killings in the city when police moved to arrest a group they say planned to assassinate leading public figures.

"We deplore the tendentious attitude of government authorities in trying to link Santa Cruz leaders with these acts of violence," said Santa Cruz Gov. Ruben Costas, reading a statement by regional business and political leaders.

Morales, who accused rivals in Santa Cruz of organizing violent protests last year, has linked the suspected plot to right-wing opponents he says are seeking to destabilize his government.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN21499904
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:50 PM
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1. No guilt there.
lol
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:56 PM
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2. Who me? You mean this isn't a TV show?
And why did you kill those guys in that half-hour gunbattle anyway?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:59 PM
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3. The wing nuttery in Latin America must have a hotline to the Heritage Foundation
Edited on Tue Apr-21-09 06:59 PM by EFerrari
because their talking points translate so beautifully. No kidding.

Today, the governor of Zulia province in Ven missed a court date for his multi-million dollars corruption case. He and his supporters claim this is a political prosecution. While there may be some political pay off, WTF do people think the oligarchy was thrown out FOR if not for corruption? It's hilarious!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 07:02 PM
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4. What the heck is wrong with a "political prosecution" as long as the facts support it?
That's what I want to know. If they aren't making shit up, what's the problem? There is no moral or ethical principle that says you have to never prosecute your political enemies.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 07:08 PM
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5. It's just a way to distract from the issues.
Today, even Gene Robinson was repeating this "stifling opposition" stuff. Hello! If your opposition are a bunch of corrupt mofos, they are going to get "stifled" by the law!
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 09:21 PM
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6. Investigation has spread to Argentina
Argentina version:

Bolivian government has asked Argentina to investigate two former Argentina military "carapintadas" who are suspected of having links to the Bolivian fascists in Santa Cruz de la Sierra.

One of them is former carapintada Jorge Mones Ruiz. (Photo) (Carapintadas used camouflage paint on their faces and led aborted military revolt against President Raul Alfonsin in the late 1980s. The carapintadas objected to fellow officers being put on trial for human-rights violations. Many of the carapintadas were imprisoned but released by President Menem in 1989.)



Story for readers of Spanish:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-123612-2009-04-21.html

---------------------------------------------

Bolivian version

(warning: Gukert/Gannon-style photo in story; Bolivian-Croatian terrorist Eduardo Rózsa playing around with an assault rifle.)

Story mentions an extreme right-wing organization called UnaAmerica, which is supposed to be a counterweight to the UNASUR and which is said to have connections to the Venezuelan opposition and to Colombian right-wingers.


http://www.abi.bo/index.php?i=noticias_texto_paleta&j=20090421151353&l=200904210044_Eduardo_Rozsa_Flores,_el_boliviano_croata,_motor_de_la_célula_de_mercenarios_europeos_y_bolivianos_de_ultraderecha_que_operaba_en_BOlivia

(aarrgggg ---long link but don't know how to shorten them. Hope it works.)



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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 04:16 AM
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7. Ha! The link works. Saw the photo of Eduardo Rozsa Flores.
Here he is without his huge guns, and wearing some clothes:

http://www.euroastra.hu.nyud.net:8090/files/images/Rozsa-Flores%20Eduardo.preview.jpg


I've got to save your post. I've never heard of "carapintadas" but it's plain to see a lot of people HAVE heard of them in Latin America. Unbelievable!

So the Argentinian President who released the imprisoned carapintadas was none other than George H. W. Bush's own family friend going back a long time. I've read he also is the one who arranged things so Dirty War criminals could not be tried, a dirty trick Argentina's leftist President Néstor Kirchner voided, as his country started taking the brutal thugs to trial.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org.nyud.net:8090/argentina/menem-bush.gif

Menem with previous wife and his pal, H. W. Bush.

Also, did not know there is a counter-leftist movement going throughout S.A., Unamerica, but it would figure, wouldn't it? It will take years and years for their poison to fade away, since their offspring are determined to continue their legacy, like Pinochet's ugly children.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/media/images/40603000/jpg/_40603565_041206pinochito203body.jpg

Lucía Pinochet Hiriart, her brother Augusto Pinochet Hiriart, School of the Americas graduate

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 04:27 AM
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8. Interesting seeing "Branko Marinkovic" came up in the 1st article. It would be a great day
for the human race the day they can put this clown away. If he has been involved in brutality against Bolivians, he needs to be in prison.

I read an article saying the youth movement (neo-nazi thugs) shock troups are seen coming out of Marinkovic's place brandishing bats. Maybe he gets a good discount on bats buying in bulk amounts.

http://www.ciaramc.org.nyud.net:8090/ciar/imagenes/imgBoletines/bol203/ruben%20y%20branco.jpg

http://static1.mundoanuncio.com.nyud.net:8090/img/2008/8/22/11636030993.jpg
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tuchoma Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 02:11 PM
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9. You may not understand the current situation in Bolivia.
I dont know what your sources are, or if you really know about bolivian reality, but you should get well informed before giving your opinion about Santa Cruz.
Basically, 50 years ago, Santa Cruz was a poor little town, forgotten by bolivian government. Until Santa Cruz people pacifically fought against the goverment, asking for the money that legally belonged to them because of oil resources in its soil.
with that money Santa Cruz begun to grow, building roads and empowering its agro industry. Now Santa Cruz is the most rich region in Bolivia. Thanks only to its people, and not the government. (If you research, Bolivia is the poorest country in south america instead Santa Cruz that is one of the most growing cities in percentage)

What people in Santa Cruz defends is the model of development we have and our own culture that is different from the rest of the country (for you to know Santa Cruz was founded on 1561 and started to be integrated to the rest of the country in 1932 when the chaco war stalled.) after 371 years.

There are a thousand things that happens inside bolivia, and million reasons that cambas(people from Santa Cruz) has against bolivian government that we are not going to change till we are really freedom.

So please, next time, get good information from both sides before giving your opinion.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:00 PM
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11. LOL! I wish Bolivia was free of the violent white separatists
in Santa Cruz. May they all be "free" to go somewhere else with their culture of racism and white privilege. Surely there must be somewhere on Earth that still welcomes such regressives.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 11:50 PM
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12. I wouldn't count on their finding a permanent home for all that hatred. Who would want them?
Oh, wait: they can always move to Miami!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 12:04 AM
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14. LOL
:rofl:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 02:55 PM
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10. OT: check the auto-ad in the OP: looks like AdBot (Grovels' bro) latched onto "violence"
and "illusory self-defense"
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 11:57 PM
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13. New report says Dwyer opened fire on police in shootout
New report says Dwyer opened fire on police in shootout

By Jeff Farrell in Santa Cruz and Eimear Ni Bhraonain


Wednesday May 13 2009

Conflicting reports emerged yesterday from Bolivia over whether an Irishman fired shots at police before he was killed.

Bolivian authorities investigating the death of Michael Dwyer released a ballistics report on Monday which claims the Tipperary man opened fire on police officers.

Security forces killed Mr Dwyer and two other men in the Hotel Las Americas in Santa Cruz on April 16. Police alleged the group was involved in a plot to assassinate Bolivian president Evo Morales.

Traces of gunpowder found on Mr Dwyer's hands prove the 24-year-old was killed in a shootout, a Bolivian prosecutor has said. But this contradicts earlier reports and eyewitness statements that there was no crossfire.

More:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/new-report-says-dwyer-opened-fire-on-police-in-shootout-1736929.html

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http://www.irishtimes.com.nyud.net:8090/newspaper/breaking/images/2009/0418/228596_1.jpg http://www.timesonline.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/multimedia/archive/00525/19ol-irish-dwyer_38_525045a.jpg

http://www.irishtimes.com.nyud.net:8090/newspaper/breaking/images/2009/0420/228692_1.jpg

Neo-Nazi Michael Dwyer

Earlier report:

Gunned down Irishman ‘linked to neo-Nazi group’
Monday, 4 May 2009

The Bolivian authorities have claimed that Michael Dwyer, the Tipperary man shot dead by police two weeks ago, was heavily involved in neo-Nazi terror group Szekler Legion.


Last week the Bolivian government released pictures of Mr Dwyer and other members of the group posing for photographs surrounded by guns. The group is also suspected of planting a bomb at the home of a Catholic cardinal in Bolivia the day before he and two Hungarian terrorists were shot dead.

The same terror group, which the Bolivians say Mr Dwyer (24) joined last October, was suspected of carrying out a series of attacks on the homes of Bolivian cabinet ministers, civil servants and politicians since 2006 when its leader Eduardo Rozsa-Flores sneaked into the country.

More:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/gunned-down-irishman-lsquolinked-to-neonazi-grouprsquo-14290109.html

http://www.hollow-hill.com.nyud.net:8090/sabina/images/bolivian-thugs.jpg

Santa Cruz Youth Union chess club?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:48 PM
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15. New photo located showing Eduardo Rózsa Flores with gun in Santa Cruz hotel hallway:


Caption: Report: Rózsa shown with weapons in a hotel in Santa Cruz


Taken from the following article, google translation:

The leader of the extremist organization Siculi Legion stayed at the Hotel Santa Cruz
Révész arrived in December to train the guerrilla group

Révész offered online courses of military action, and recruited young people.

Santa Cruz / El Deber .- The Hungarian Tibor Révész, leader of the Guard, or Magyar Siculi Legion and was housed in the Santa Cruz hotel between December 11 and January 11, came to Bolivia to train a group of 16 foreigners who had been recruited through the Internet. The workshop took place between 1 and December 12.

Révész hung a poster on the various websites that offer a course in Hungary, but for further information on funnels www.cahil.tk. There were further details of the operation in Bolivia, "for which applicants should send their resume and make 2550 euros in costs for travel and ammunition.

On page http://www.online-peticiok.info linked to the legion Szekler, you can still read the message: "Hello to all who have subscribed to the newsletter legion. I do not disturb soil a lot, but this time I will make an exception. A friend has been called to protect their homeland of Santa Cruz de la Sierra. Anyone who feels that technically and physically ready to help, send a resume to info@cahil.tk.

There is evidence of at least two families whose children came to Bolivia for this course. Mothers of Michael Dwyer (died along with Eduardo Rózsa and Árpád Magyarosi hotel in Las Americas on April 16) and Gábor Dudog assured that their children came for a course of professional bodyguards, such as those provided Révész in Hungary and Ireland. All had worked together in Group Risk Control of the oil company Shell.

Gábor's mother gives more details. Her son returned to Hungary on March 26 after five months of absence. That puts it in Bolivia in November, just when the family elodes Tóásó ensures that came to Bolivia (left Hungary on November 11). It was also learned that people who received the training were 16, not only because that was the maximum described in the poster, but also because Dwyer said in his house as part of travel that many people to a course in Bolivia.

For the commission of the Chamber of Deputies investigating the incident, Révész Rózsa was over, but the information provided by internet or web pages, Tibor seems more a "service provider". Moreover, within the Guard, or Magyar Siculi Legion, he is the military leader, while others appear as the weight to give ideological. The chairman of a committee of Deputies, César Navarro, Révész linked to the CIA and Dwyer U.S. because both worked for a company that provides security in Kuwait. However, both worked for a security company in Europe with a recognized specialty in oil companies.

On the site you can see that www.cahil.tk Révész gave workshops on an ongoing basis, at least a month with high costs (2,500 euros per person in groups of 16 members). Was an addition to the selection of staff he called "Charlie Company", which

met in February to a free course for which

it was only necessary paid tickets.

Another fact which confirms the military training in the city of Santa Cruz is that Rózsa told his local contacts who have already declared that a group of 16 people came to support him.

The alleged leader of the alleged irregular group may have retained in Bolivia and Daniel to Gábor Gáspár, who returned to his native Hungary in March.

How to retain them in the country and control was also a mark of Rózsa: take away their passports. According to El Pais newspaper published in Madrid in 1992, Rózsa, then accused of running a mandar a Swiss journalist in Croatia, had the rule to retain the passports of all the soldiers who have joined the International Brigade Volunteers, who commanded War in the Balkans. Patrol this document was nothing short of a crime.

He tried to join the Falange

Eduardo Rózsa Flores tried to join the Bolivian Socialist Falange, confirms Jorge Santistevan, the leader of this party and cousin Rózsa, and John Leader Paz, a member of the Court of Honor of the FSB. According counted "Cabo" Peace in the program that I miss, Rózsa repeatedly visited the offices of the Falange in the street and told him that molds when it was besieged Santa Cruz saw the FSB only appear on television offering to assume the defense of the city.

Reck denies accredited Mones

The journalist and political analyst Cruz Centa Reck, through a commentary published on the website www.hoybolivia.com denied having accredited as reporters for La Estrella del Oriente, which leads to the Argentine Jorge Mones Ruiz, accused of being a of "carapintadas" as Liliana Raffo, who investigated between March and April, the massacre of Pando on behalf of the Democratic Union of Organizations of America (UnoAmérica).

Reck said that both in this column are as well known, occupied by the investigation of violations of human rights, which came out openly to their humanitarian task, using their identity documents. "

"Therefore, it is an outrageous lie to say (...) that Liliana Raffo, who visited the Prefect Leopoldo Fernandez (...) is postage step in prison when he presented a badge of Star of the East. That is wrong and leads us to infer that if the Government is able to lie in little things, then it is quite probable that lies two or three times and almost certainly committed libel and perjury in the large and important issues in the country. "

Reck also refused "have been seen in Santa Cruz with Mones Ruiz, although he admitted having attended the press conference at the headquarters of the Federation of Media Workers of the Santa Cruz (FSTPSC) and which presented the findings inadagación on the facts of Philadelphia, and Porvenir Cobija, between 11 and 15 September last year and have participated in meetings in which UnoAmérica was former Argentine army major Mones Ruiz.

The "carapintadas" were linked to alleged terrorist cell, then Mones Ruiz could have been met on April 1 with Eduardo Rózsa Flores, at which time the 14 former military men offered to join the militia led by the Croatian-boliviano - Hungarian, said Friday Villa Ignacio Vargas, alias "Old" to the multi-party commission of the Lower House to investigate.

The morning of Thursday, April 16, hotel in Las Americas, Santa Cruz de la Sierra, three members of the militia were killed by the police: Rózsa Flores, Romanian and Irish Magyarosi Árpád Michael Dwyer, who were apprehended while with life-boliviano Mario Tadic and Croatian Hungarian elodes Tóásó.

Sister speaks of Tóásó

- How did you hear what happened at the Hotel Las Americas?

-On the night of April 16 heard it on TV in Santa Cruz that killed three people and captured two others. Among them were four Hungarians. Immediately I had the feeling that elodes was among them, because they live in Santa Cruz very few Hungarians. Then I wanted to contact him but failed. At that time I had the assurance that elodes was among them. I began to pray to the Holy Mother to accompany my brother, because I felt that he was alive. I do not know how, but he knew it. All night we were awake, listening to news and in the morning and we knew who the victims were.

- Have you had contact with him?

-A few days after the arrest was able to talk to elodes with the help of the Order of the Knights of Malta. I became very happy to learn that he was alive and listening to his voice. For now, we managed to communicate twice. The lawyers are convinced that elodes is innocent and did nothing. They are doing everything possible to uncover the truth.

- Has been in contact with the family of Magyarosi?

We contacted the family, I gave them my condolences and assured us their support. This family is torn apart, not for less, lost her beloved son in unclear circumstances.

Research

The prosecution seeks to establish political connections that the group held in Bolivia.

It is expected that the report of the FIU on the bank of higher slopes.

The prosecutor called the leader of the Human Rights Foundation to testify.

http://www.laprensa.com.bo/noticias/17-05-09/17_05_09_segu4.php
La Prensa, Bolivia
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:51 AM
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16. Bolivian prosecutors to visit Hungary to investigate Santa Cruz killings
Bolivian prosecutors to visit Hungary to investigate Santa Cruz killings
Tuesday, 19 May 2009

A delegation of Bolivian prosecutors plans to visit Hungary, to investigate the relation of certain Hungarians to "anti-state conspiracy" identified in Bolivia in April, Bolivian media said on Tuesday. Hungary does not have information of the planned visit, the foreign ministry said.

According to the La Razon daily, prosecutor Marcelo Sosa would like to meet, among others, Tibor Revesz, head of a right-wing Hungarian group, of whom the committee investigating the conspiracy thinks is one of the main players of the case. The prosecutor's office asked the assistance of the Bolivian foreign ministry to fix up Revesz' hearing, the paper said.

In the course of aborting the alleged conspiracy, a Hungarian-Bolivian-Croatian citizen, Eduardo Rozsa Flores and two companions were shot dead, and a Hungarian, Elod Toaso, together with a Croatian, were captured in Santa Cruz, on April 16.

Hungary has not received information about the planned visit, foreign ministry spokesperson, Zsuzsanna Matrai said, adding that if such a request arrived, Hungary would help the delegation's work.

Hungary's non-resident ambassador to Bolivia, Matyas Jozsa confirmed to MTI that he had not received official information on the trip, but said that informally he had already heard of the plan.

http://www.budapesttimes.hu/content/view/12004/219/
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 04:00 AM
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17. And USAID is sending millions of dollars to the "opposition" in Bolivia
that winds up in the pockets of these criminals while our veterans go homeless and without medical care.
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