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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:15 AM
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Krystian Zimerman's shocking Disney Hall debut
Source: LA Times

Poland's Krystian Zimerman, widely regarded as one of the finest pianists in the world, created a furor Sunday night in his debut at Walt Disney Concert Hall when he announced this would be his last performance in America because of the nation's military policies overseas.

Before playing the final work on his recital, Karol Szymanowski’s "Variations on a Polish Folk Theme," Zimerman sat silently at the piano for a moment, almost began to play, but then turned to the audience. In a quiet but angry voice that did not project well, he indicated that he could no longer play in a country whose military wants to control the whole world.

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About 30 or 40 people in the audience walked out, some shouting obscenities. “Yes,” he answered, “some people when they hear the word military start marching.” Others remained but booed or yelled for him to shut up and play the piano. But many more cheered. Zimerman responded by saying that America has far finer things to export than the military, and he thanked those who support democracy.

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Zimerman has had problems in the United States in recent years. He travels with his own Steinway piano, which he has altered himself. But shortly after 9/11, the instrument was confiscated at JFK Airport when he landed in New York to give a recital at Carnegie Hall. Thinking the glue smelled funny, the TSA decided to take no chances and destroyed the instrument. Since then he has shipped his pianos in parts, which he reassembles by hand after he lands. He also drives the truck himself when he carries his instrument from city to city over land, as he did after playing a recital in Berkeley on Friday.

Read more: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2009/04/krystian-zimermans-shocking-walt-disney-concert-hall-debut.html
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:17 AM
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1. "TSA decided to take no chances and destroyed the instrument."
No wonderKrystian has a problem...fucking TSA.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:21 AM
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3. We destroyed a Steinway? Because it smelled funny?
Did we, I dunno, bring in a bomb sniffing dog to check, maybe?

WE DESTROYED A STEINWAY PIANO??????
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:23 AM
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8. THey poured out 30 year old homemade apricot brandy that I brought in.
I can only imagine how he feels though...pissed as I was times 100.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:54 AM
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35. They poured out my almost-full bottle of tequila because it "smelled dangerous"
I offhandedly said, "Damned right it is, if you drink too much of it at one time..."

THAT little comment got me shunted off to the "special handling" line.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:51 AM
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12. There is a special place in Hell for THAT TSA person.
My favorite Steinway a 1909 model ALso smells funny because it has been played by thousnads of students at a college music building.

Anyone who destroys an instrument like that should have their ears cut off.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:38 AM
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21. I suppose he wasn't give the option of 'F you, put me back on the plane'.
So shameful.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:01 PM
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22. If smelling funny is a reason to destroy something, then how did bush get away
Edited on Mon Apr-27-09 12:02 PM by stopbush
with farting at all those interns in the WH?
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:09 AM
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36. I was just thinking that...
who freaking destroys a Steinway??????????????

What freaking MORAN thought that someone would use a STEINWAY? to cause a terrorist incident??????
freaking insane.

NO wonder he's pissed...I would be too.
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:53 AM
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38. Brain-dead, intellectually-useless baboons.
Actually, that's an insult to baboons, come to think of it. I have nothing but scathing contempt for anyone who destroys a Steinway. I'd give my left nut for any good grand piano (well...if I had a place to put it!), and to see these wretched savages destroying a Steinway makes me seethe. They're worse than those redneck jackasses who destroy perfectly good pianos (grands even!) while laughing it up and running over it with their pickup truck, and post the videos on YouTube. Worthless trash, almost to a man.

But this is also why it is unwise to tour internationally with large instruments. Backline rental is your friend. I'd be deathly afraid to travel with one of my Hammonds...they'd probably think the tone-generator oil "smelled funny." :scared:

President Obama needs to make sure this man is reimbursed for his piano, out of TSA's budget.

Todd in Cheesecurdistan
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:21 AM
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4. This glue smells funny so we're gonna smash your piano.
No wonder he feels the way he does.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:23 AM
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7. ITA - I never would have come back to the United States again after that.
But that was 7 years ago. Why is he all steamed up now?

That's the part that's confusing to me.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:45 AM
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10. They are FUCKING IDIOTS
No common sense what-so-ever
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:52 AM
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13. If the glue WAS an explosive then smashing it would have set off an explosion.
so obviously this was done for other reasons than security.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:09 AM
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16. "... due to the developments in politics in the last five years, I lost two pianos on the borders,
because when people see a big black case, which smells of all kinds of chemicals, they go for it. They destroyed one piano completely; the other, they ripped out the keyboard ..."

Krystian Zimerman speaks
By Jim Lowe Times Argus Staff - Published: October 20, 2006
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061020/NEWS/610200328/1011/FEATURES02
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:21 AM
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2. I don't understand why he's doing this NOW, instead of during the Bush admin.
Edited on Mon Apr-27-09 10:22 AM by Coventina
It indicates that he was here in the United States during the Bush Administration - the administration that actually INVADED Iraq & Afghanistan. Obama has pledged to get us out, and is currently drawing down in Iraq.

I don't get it.

:shrug:

ETA: We could have really used his voice BEFORE the Iraq invasion, if that is how he felt all along.

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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:22 AM
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5. But he's not going to leave Iraq or Afghanistan
Even if the war does end theres still going to be bases there. At least 50,000 troops. The Empire will keep on expanding.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:25 AM
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9. I agree. The man has a right to protest whatever he wants........
But protesting during the * admin, the admin actually responsible for destroying his piano and the admin that actually tried to invade the "whole world" would make much more sense to me.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:11 AM
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31. He's from Poland, and people in Europe are pissed at the continuity of the Admin.

Poland?

Missile Defense shield anyone?

We don't want it, we don't need it. USA out of Europe, if I can speak from my European half for once.

Just as we in Bern don't want the empires fuckin' CIA command post here. NO WAY! It don't matter who's president, we don't want the US military or Intel in Europe. We're tired of it. 60 years and nothing but bullshit and trouble. Stop meddling with European elections and start packing up the troops. They are not welcome.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:50 AM
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11. U.S. foreign policy has not improved much since Obama was elected....
It's still U.S. military imperialism anywhere there are resources we want to exploit, including labor.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:19 AM
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18. Has there been another invasion that I missed?
:shrug:

Since Obama took office in three months, he's made overtures to Iran, gave his first interview to an Islamic reporter, engaged with Russia on reducing nuclear weapons, renewed our friendship with "old Europe"....these are off the top of my head, there are probably more.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:36 AM
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19. and not one single substantitive change in foreign policy....
Not one military boot removed from foreign garrisons, not one base closed, not one illegal detainee released. U.S. foreign policy has not changed in any substantive way. The new guy smiles more, and is willing to talk to some folks the old guy wasn't-- but he hasn't shown any willingness at all to change U.S. imperialism abroad.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:10 PM
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23. It takes a lot longer to fix things than it does to break them. It's been 3 months.
Bushco had 8 years. It'll take 80 years or more to recover from Bushco, especially when it comes to environmental damage.

Obama has ordered Gitmo closed, but that takes time. Obama doesn't have magical powers, but I've seen enough to believe that he's acting in good faith so far. I might change my mind down the road, but right now I see a huge difference between Obama and Bush.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:12 PM
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25. And when it's been three years? What will you say then?
Will you still pretend America isn't an imperialistic nation?

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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:40 PM
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26. I never "pretended" that the United States isn't imperialist
We'd have to liberate Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, Samoa, and a bunch of other places. Heck, we'd have to disband completely, actually.

However, I don't believe that the Obama administration has designs on conquering the entire world, as was the accusation in the OP.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:18 AM
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33. Neither is he giving up the parts already conquered.

Although I'd say we pretty much conquered the world by now. Depends on the definition of conquer... If what Richard Perkins has done can be labeled "conquering" then yeah, we pretty much hold the world.

But I don't think that is a part of policy that a president really determines. And I guess it surely isn't what Obama would want, but any president of the US has to smooth up to the empire to some extent.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 09:33 AM
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39. Well, I reiterate my post #23. It's been three months.
You can't undo 8 years, or even decades (centuries?) of damage, bad policies, harmful programs, wrong-headed thinking in the electorate, etc. in three months. Or even three years.

I don't agree with Obama on everything. I've come to the conclusion that there will NEVER be a politician I will totally agree with. But he seems to be acting in good faith so far.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 09:53 AM
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40. I agree with your assesment. I was just trying to explain his reactions.

Here, in Europe, I have witnessed the same thing over and over again. People forgot about the Clinton years and the contuinity in american politics. They have just come to believe that anything wrong with american foreign policy was made by Bush, and now that the world ain't changin' in one day, they give up.

That's not how I see it. But I can understand the sentiment, especially if you don't know much about the way american politics work or what a president actually can do. And they don't, for the most part.

I hope you didn't take my last post as an offense... I just imagined being a freakishly gifted pole and what could explain his decision to stop NOW and not 7 years ago.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:02 AM
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41. No, no offense taken.
I just wish that he had spoken up THEN (when we, the loyal opposition, really needed the support and Bush was having everything his way) as opposed to NOW (when Obama is up against the weight of the culture, the bureaucracy, and wreckage of Bushco, and he's going to have to fight for every inch of progress.)
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:22 AM
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6. We needed more of this four years ago. n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:55 AM
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15. +1
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:54 AM
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14. DESTROYED THE MANS PIANO!!!????
Yeah, I wouldn't come back either.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:14 AM
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17. But he did! Repeatedly, apparently.
This story isn't making a lot of sense to me.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:37 AM
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20. I'm skeptical, too
off to google I go.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:14 AM
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32. He thought things were going to change for Poland. No more CIA, no more missile defense

He believed those things were made by Bush, not by the Americans. No he's found out that the missile shield and the meddling with Polish politics wasn't Bush's idea, it's pretty much systemic, no pulling back, so NOW he has totally given up.

As long as Bush was there, he blamed him. No he is convinced that not Bush is the problem, but the US in general.
I think the piano story is just what kicked him off, made him aware. He didn't want to give up under Bush because he thought things concerning Poland would change. No blaming him, no blaming Obama. He can make his demands just as the US can make demands of Poland.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:14 AM
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37. he's a performing artist.
the way you make a living as a performing artist
is to travel and perform. It's pretty simple.

He apparently as tried to tour here despite the problems.

Maybe he should find someone who would keep a piano here in the states for him. That would be a solution.

But if he's fed up...can't blame him.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:50 PM
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24. The Polish people have a history of standing up against
unfair military actions. "A Polish woman who helped save the lives of 2,500 Jewish children during World War II has been honoured by Poland's parliament"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6448603.stm
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:00 PM
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27. Too bad they didn't destroy the Disney Concert Hall.
Sorry folks, that thing is FUGLY. No wonder the guy isn't coming back.
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:03 PM
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28. pics:
How this thing ever got built, I don't know, but just looking at it gives me an Excedrin headache:



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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:44 PM
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29. Wow.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:01 AM
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30. Dude, I work for Disney. They were real silent about this in my workplace.
I'll have to see what was up.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:07 AM
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34. can you get me deals on some disney stuff ?
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