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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:43 AM
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Longtime GOP Sen. Arlen Specter becomes Democrat
Source: CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Veteran Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, switched from the Republican to the Democratic Party on Tuesday, Sen. Harry Reid said.

The Specter party switch would give Democrats a filibuster-proof Senate majority of 60 seats if Al Franken holds his current lead in the disputed Minnesota Senate race.

Specter, a five-term Senate veteran, was expected to face a very tough primary challenge in 2010 from former Rep. Pat Toomey, who nearly defeated Specter in the Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary in 2004.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/specter.party.switch/



First actual link to an article....WOW...!!!!
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:46 AM
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1. holy shitttt
o_o
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
195. 04-24-2009 = PA Senate Primary = Toomey 51% Specter 30%
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #195
198. wonder how he'll do in the general...
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #198
203. IMO, if Obama is still so popular and give Specter a hand....
...Specter will kick butt.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #198
204. Two Rs in the PA general. Frikkin' CLEVER Pukes!!
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #204
421. Ding.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #198
288. He'll probably win, particularly if the Dems in the 100 club give him a hand.
So long as he does what his new Leader and Whip tell him to when the going gets rough, he'll get some help. He is now "The Democratic Incumbent."
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #288
422. He is now Joe Lieberman.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #422
439. No, he's a Democrat. Lieberman's an Independent. NT
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #439
451. That is true. I am suggesting he could still vote with Republicans, just like Lieberman.
In fact he said as much yesterday. He said the way he votes will not change. This is about his re-election.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:28 AM
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452. He could also vote with moderate Democrats. Or with "the majority."
Without getting grief from the GOP.

What this does is get rid of the arm-twisting from the RIGHT, and replace it with arm-twisting from the left. No matter what he says!

Biden didn't reach across the aisle and drag him back for no reason.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #198
436. HE IS JUST A DRAMA QUEEN
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #195
340. Specter: Prospects For Winning Were "Bleak"
April 28, 2009 3:38 PM

Asserting that he had made a principled move not a political one, Sen. Arlen Specter (PA) told reporters today that his decision to become a Democrat stemmed from the realization that his "prospects for winning a Republican primary are bleak."

"I'm not prepared to have my 29 year record in the United States Senate decided by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate," Specter said ...

"I will not be an automatic sixtieth vote," he said, mentioning his opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act as one example. He said he will not be swayed on the proposal, which makes it easier for unions to organize.

"I think it is a bad bill, and I'm opposed to it and would not vote to invoke cloture," Specter added ...

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2009/04/specter_prospec.php
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #195
380. That's among republikkans
Throw in Democrats and Independents and it's a whole other ballgame (IMO)
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justaregularperson Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #380
418. OK for now, but need to defeat him in 2010. Why do we want another Dino?
He will just be another right wing DLC type, and in the long run will hurt more than help. We were better off to get a real Dem into the seat, now that will be more difficult. He will convince Dems not paying attention he is the real deal, but he will just be a wolf in blue clothing.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #418
423. Yep.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #418
464. It's why I want Stesak to run
I want Democrats in PA to choose the candidate -- Not the US Senate
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:46 AM
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2. WOW!!!!!
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #2
227. Just came from the Freeper site to watch the crying and saw this
post about seating Franken. It included the picture below and welll..... gave me pause..... :rofl:



It is fun to watch them wine!!!
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #227
236. It is the Louisiana Repub Senator
who paid prositutes to put diapers on him.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #227
269. You must mean
Senator "Diaper Dave" (pass the baby powder) Vitter, R-LA.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #269
281. Actually I was not even going there.
I just thought that it was a pretty funny picture, considering that he is now a Senator, I was not trying to make a Vitter Comparison. This picture was in a discussion of Franken getting the last seat and how they can not better justify arguing what is right and wrong and instead just try to be obstructionists. Fun fact: Only 28% of people think that Franken should not be seated. I think that one more good thing about this latest decision is that it will further highlight the stalling being done to prevent Franken from being seated.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #269
284. This guy right here
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #284
353. That picture is hilarious. Disturbing, but hilarious.
:)
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:30 PM
Original message
Self delete (meant to reply to The Euclidean One)
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 05:34 PM by Mister Ed
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #227
374. It is funny. But the photo is a fake
From Alternet.com:

Ohio GOP floats fake Al Franken quote and doctored photo



The press release also included a fake photograph of Franken in adult diapers and bunny ears. Franken's staff have since produced the AP photograph that was the basis of the forgery.


http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/43521/ohio_gop_floats_fake_al_franken_quote_and_doctored_photo/
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #374
381. The more you look into any aspect of these goons, the sadder it gets
Wow, that is said on so many levels. I just assumed that since he is a comedian, that the picture was actually real. Maybe something out of a skit he had done.

After reading your post, it turns out that the sadder aspect is:

a) There is actually a Republican who does "who knows what" in a diaper.
b) They apparently somehow attack Franken, accusing him of something that their own guys actually did.
c) They totally screw up attacking him in the process and get bitch slapped by the Franken camp.

I could go on, but what is the point. :)

These folks are just sad. If they were not so dangerous, I would pity them.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #381
399. It looked photoshopped to me....the 1st time I saw it.
Something about the light.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #374
401. I don't think it's a fake. He probably did that. SNL doncha know.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #401
424. It is a fake--a GOP dirty trick. aSee post # 374. See also
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #227
408. Umm, I think it's the rethugs
that are the big-assed whiny sore losers. We better get used to this crap. We're going to see a lot of it over the next decade!

ALL FIRED UP...READY TO GO!!!
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curiousdemo Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #2
272. Let me clear my throat......
To quote the great Howell Cossell, Down goes Republican!..Down goes Republican!....Down goes Republican!
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endymion1812 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #2
297. Well don't forget to Buzzup the news on Yahoo
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #297
339. Buzz Up is nothing but a right wing swamp.
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endymion1812 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #339
361. Well then UN-SWAMP IT!!!
Better to meet them whenever and wherever than lurk in the background.


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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #361
425. Nah. Crazy is contagious.
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SCantiGOP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:46 AM
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3. Happy days are here again!
He was likely to lose the GOP primary, but should have it easy in the general election against a conservative.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:50 AM
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9. I don't agree
When he came out against EFCA he turned labor against him. And liberals are not going to support a moderate like Specter if they can vote for a real democrat in the primary in 2010. Liberals and labor are the 2 biggest, best funded, most activist branches of the democratic party (at least I think), and Specter has alienated both.
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #9
188. The news is mixed...
On one hand, it's a slap in the face for the Republicans. On the other hand, Sen. Specter will be a cranky Democrat just as Sen. Joe LIEberman was. He will tilt everything a bit to the right.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #188
312. Exactly right. Would be much better to run a REAL Dem.
:(
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #188
342. I think it's more of the first
Repigs are losing moderates, and I like what that says about our chances during the midterms.

So much for Karl Rove's permanent Republican majority. Enjoy your tea, KR.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #188
352. I think he'll play.
He's dependent on Reid to get a chairmanship. I'm sure all cards are currently on the table.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #9
301. He is gonna, IMO, have to change his position on....
...EFCA to get labor behind him.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #9
320. Damned straight.! This is all about specter's survival. Period.
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #9
351. Party says no D primary challenger to Specter
Part of the deal is the D party will not fund or support any Democratic challenger to Specter in the 2010 Senate primary. A challenger may emerge but he/she will be on their own financially and won't get any support from the party.

So libs can either support Specter or can elect an R.
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justaregularperson Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #351
419. Does the Democratic party always do this? Why should they favor financially either party in primary?
I didn't realize they even did that. Doesn't seem right. The person in the party with the best ideas should win, not with the most connections.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #9
404. We're still talking Pennsylvania, right? Where dems supported
moderate Casey?

I think Spector will do as well as Lieberman did in his general election.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:40 AM
Response to Reply #9
447. We need a real dem in that seat
As Republicans go, Specter isn't too bad, but we don't need any more Republicans in this party. There are too damn many of them in our ranks already.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #3
13. Provided the Democrats
put him on the ticket.

I'm sure there are a few life-long Dems who would like to get the nomination.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #13
331. He'll be on the primary ticket. That's all he can count on, for now. :) (nt)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #3
349.  Specter: ‘I’m Opposed’ to Dawn Johnsen
By Mike Lillis 4/28/09 2:56 PM

In language that may or not have been cleverly chosen, Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the newest member of the Democratic party, told reporters moments ago that he remains opposed to Dawn Johnsen, the Obama administration’s pick to head the Office of Legal Counsel.

Can we take that to mean that he won’t vote for Johnsen? Maybe. But he didn’t come out to say specifically that that’s the case — as he did when he very clearly voiced his intent to vote against the Employee Free Choice Act moments before ... http://washingtonindependent.com/40891/specter-im-opposed-to-dawn-johnsen
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:47 AM
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4. Wow - I expected him to make a change to independent
But not this :wow:
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #4
12. He can't run as a democrat in the 2010 primary as an independent
Pennsylvania has a closed primary system and because all the moderates have abandoned the GOP Specter is guaranteed to lose the 2010 primary on the GOP ticket to Toomey. Toomey is already beating Specter by 14-20 points in polls of republicans so he will lose the 2010 GOP primary.

This is just an attempt by him to stay in the senate and win the 2010 election by running in the democratic primary in 2010.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #12
159. Right, right
I wasn't thinking.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #159
169. I wasn't trying to be rude or anything
I just meant that this is a political calculation on Specter's part to win the 2010 election, not a sign that he has had a moral epiphany and decided he suddenly cares about human rights, healthcare, labor or poverty.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #169
232. No offense taken
I appreciated your pointing it out :hi:
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #169
262. I mostly agree
However he has constantly taken heat for a few stands on key social issues from the paleo-conservatives and the religious reich. As interested as I am about this development I am dubious of how effective it is watering down the Democratic issues with another conserva-dem. On the other hand Spector has occasionally voted to the left of the blue dogs so it might not be a total wash.

This might be a game changer because with the ability to fillibuster reduced (albeit a little bit) the rest of the repukes might be forced to actually vote on the merit of individual bills.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #12
207. I agree....
...but I would rather have him than Toomey.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #12
209. Doing what it takes to defeat the Dems!! He was going to get retired anyway
and this way he helps the Pukes keep the seat!

This is the only way the Pukes could win PA in 2010.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #209
409. Exactly right!!!
If he does not have anyone run against him in the primary it becomes a pub against a pub in the general. Very crafty I must admit.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #409
412. i don't get it - please, elaborate?.... thanks. nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #409
428. P U!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #12
259. self-delete; wrong position
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 01:09 PM by valerief
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #4
454. Biden engineered it. He's very persuasive. nt
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:48 AM
Response to Original message
5. Just when the neocons think that it can't get any worse...
:rofl:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #5
350. Jindal on Specter: "It shouldn't matter"
By: Robb Hays, WAFB.COM

... "I hope he doesn't change," Jindal added. "I hope he's the same person he was yesterday. It shouldn't matter what he calls himself." http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=10265634
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #5
354.  Grover Norquist Sees Silver Lining in Specter Switch
By David Weigel 4/28/09 12:28 PM

Americans for Tax Reform President Grover Norquist tells me that Sen. Arlen Specter’s party switch is not a total disaster because “the most important issue before Congress is EFCA, and his restatement of his commitment to oppose it is very important ... http://washingtonindependent.com/40754/grover-norquist-sees-silver-lining-in-specter-switch
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:48 AM
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6. Well, isn't that something?
I had my money on one of the Maine Sens. being the first to switch over--but instead we get Arlen. I'm glad for the tough position this puts the GOP in, but his decades of general uselessness still leave a sour tast in my mouth.

Oh well, I am enjoying the non-plussed reponse of those Club for Growth a-holes!
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:48 AM
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7. Is this a joke?
This last breaking news already has like 35 threads on DU.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #7
158. I heard Thom Hartmann announce it as breaking news about 12:15-20...
I haven't had the teevee on, so I don't know what they're reporting. I came here first - well, after walking the dog!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:50 AM
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8. Thank you!
It is actually sad that the "Grand Old Party" has become a place for rabid individuals full of hate and vengeance that they cannot see beyond their narrow interests.

Welcome aboard.

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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:50 AM
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10. Do you think...
this may persuade one or both of the Maine Senators to switch as well? Or would that be a long shot?
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Original message
I bet it will
The GOP is becoming more right-crazy and the Northeastern voters won't support crazy as much as we Southerners do.

I think you'll see one or both Maine Senators switch.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #10
166. It makes it easier for them to switch
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #10
252. At this point they may have the upper hand in the repukes party..
they can just threaten to change parties...
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:55 PM
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315. If either of them should face a serious primary challenge on the right,
either or both could leave the pukes.

If Maine law is favorable to Independent runs, I would expect them to go the "I" route.

Actually, I am delighted with Specter. He'll probably be to the left of Ben Nelson, after all.

I wonder, though, if we will turn into more of a 3 party system: left, moderate and right parties. If more states go the Nebraska route and assign electoral votes by Congressional district, you might see something. It's just that I feel some sort of realignment going on. The pukes seem to by dieing, just like the Whigs did 150 years ago, and the Federalists before them.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #315
330. Ooooh ... I get faint when anyone brings up the Whigs --
and suggests the GOP may follow their example of self-ordained irrelevance to the end.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #330
333. The comparisons to today's Republicans are apt,
but then, today's Republicans came back from the Goldwater debacle in '64 to take the Presidency in '68 and '72 with Tricky Dick, '80 with Ronnie Raygun, '88 with George I and '00 and '04 with George II.

Nonetheless, I urge you to stock up on smelling salts. It could be a very interesting few years.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:51 AM
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11. This makes me feel like a bit of a hypocrite - I don't think someone should change parties
after being elected (at least not until the next election is coming up). But I will take this one.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:52 AM
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14. Senator Specter's Statement
April 28, 2009

Statement by Senator Arlen Specter

I have been a Republican since 1966. I have been working extremely hard for the Party, for its candidates and for the ideals of a Republican Party whose tent is big enough to welcome diverse points of view. While I have been comfortable being a Republican, my Party has not defined who I am. I have taken each issue one at a time and have exercised independent judgment to do what I thought was best for Pennsylvania and the nation.

Since my election in 1980, as part of the Reagan Big Tent, the Republican Party has moved far to the right. Last year, more than 200,000 Republicans in Pennsylvania changed their registration to become Democrats. I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans.

When I supported the stimulus package, I knew that it would not be popular with the Republican Party. But, I saw the stimulus as necessary to lessen the risk of a far more serious recession than we are now experiencing.

Since then, I have traveled the State, talked to Republican leaders and office-holders and my supporters and I have carefully examined public opinion. It has become clear to me that the stimulus vote caused a schism which makes our differences irreconcilable. On this state of the record, I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate. I have not represented the Republican Party. I have represented the people of Pennsylvania.

I have decided to run for re-election in 2010 in the Democratic primary.

I am ready, willing and anxious to take on all comers and have my candidacy for re-election determined in a general election.

I deeply regret that I will be disappointing many friends and supporters. I can understand their disappointment. I am also disappointed that so many in the Party I have worked for for more than four decades do not want me to be their candidate. It is very painful on both sides. I thank specially Senators McConnell and Cornyn for their forbearance.

I am not making this decision because there are no important and interesting opportunities outside the Senate. I take on this complicated run for re-election because I am deeply concerned about the future of our country and I believe I have a significant contribution to make on many of the key issues of the day, especially medical research. NIH funding has saved or lengthened thousands of lives, including mine, and much more needs to be done. And my seniority is very important to continue to bring important projects vital to Pennsylvania’s economy.

I am taking this action now because there are fewer than thirteen months to the 2010 Pennsylvania Primary and there is much to be done in preparation for that election. Upon request, I will return campaign contributions contributed during this cycle.

While each member of the Senate caucuses with his Party, what each of us hopes to accomplish is distinct from his party affiliation. The American people do not care which Party solves the problems confronting our nation. And no Senator, no matter how loyal he is to his Party, should or would put party loyalty above his duty to the state and nation.

My change in party affiliation does not mean that I will be a party-line voter any more for the Democrats that I have been for the Republicans. Unlike Senator Jeffords’ switch which changed party control, I will not be an automatic 60th vote for cloture. For example, my position on Employees Free Choice (Card Check) will not change.

Whatever my party affiliation, I will continue to be guided by President Kennedy’s statement that sometimes Party asks too much. When it does, I will continue my independent voting and follow my conscience on what I think is best for Pennsylvania and America.

http://politicspa.com/Specter%20Switches.htm









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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:16 PM
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192. 200,000 people in Pennsylavania switched parties to dem is enough of a reason.
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 12:19 PM by Skink
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:35 PM
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460. Many did so as part of "Operation Chaos"...
...making this a satisfying and ironic double-FAIL for Limbaugh.

:rofl:
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:53 AM
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15. Specter should have done this years ago. Whatever you might think, he's a Dem. at heart.
... on social issues, at least.

I lost respect for him when he started pandering to the conservatives ... but he's made me a happy Pennsylvanian today. Guess I'll be handing out campaign literature for him next year!!! Wow ... that'll be interesting!
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MgtPA Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #15
257. I'm a happy Pennsylvanian too. I've always liked Arlen. Did you know he was a Dem before ...
...switching in 1966? I think he brought Ed Rendell in to Philly politics way back when.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #257
397. Yes, Redell and Specter worked in the Philadelphia DA office together.
They have always supported each other. I think this was a good move on Specter's part.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #15
343. Arlen Specter Started Out His Career as a Democrat
By Nikki Schwab
Posted April 28, 2009

So Arlen Specter is a Democrat now. But this isn't the first time the Pennsylvania politician has had a "D" next to his name. He started out his long political career as a Democrat but then switched parties in 1965 to run for district attorney of Philadelphia ... http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/washington-whispers/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-started-out-his-career-as-a-democrat.html
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
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16. I don't trust him
He's kinda like Lieberman I fear.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #16
344. Specter's seniority
osted: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:27 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: Congress, Republicans

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
Sen. Arlen Specter, who was elected in 1980, would outrank the most senior Democrat on four of his six current committee assignments: Veterans Affairs (Akaka), Environment and Public Works (Boxer), Special on Aging (Kohl) and an Appropriations subcommittee (Harkin).

But, per NBC Senate producer Ken Strickland, this whole issue won't be addressed until the next Congress -- unless any current chairs want to voluntarily step aside for Specter.

And it's not clear which ones, if any, he'd take over in the next Congress. It would all have to be sorted out. But he's clearly going to want something -- notably the powerful Appropriations Committee, per Strickland, but there's a long line of senior Democrats there. And it's competitive.

Specter, a veritable spring chicken at 79 on this committee, would only be the fourth-ranking senator on it. Hawaii's Daniel Inouye, 85 and elected in 1962, knocked off 91-year-old Robert Byrd at the start of this Congress -- despite Byrd's seniority (elected in 1958). Also ahead of Specter is Pat Leahy, elected in 1974. Leahy's also ahead of Specter, by the way, where he shines -- on Judiciary ... http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/04/28/1913180.aspx
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
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17. When Al Franken is seated, we will rule and reign.
And the Republicans can SUCK IT (filibuster all you want, you neocon asses. you are TOAST TOAST TOAST!)
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #17
437. Maybe you didn't hear what Spector said about not voting for cloture.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
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18. Arlen Spector Switching Parties Today?
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 11:12 AM by Laura PourMeADrink
Source: Human Events

HUMAN EVENTS has learned from staff sources that Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa) is about to announce his switch to the Democratic Party. Developing….

Adding from BigWorld Washington Post quotes:

"I have decided to run for re-election in 2010 in the Democratic primary," said Specter in a statement. "I am ready, willing and anxious to take on all comers and have my candidacy for re-election determined in a general election."

He added: "Since my election in 1980, as part of the Reagan Big Tent, the Republican Party has moved far to the right. Last year, more than 200,000 Republicans in Pennsylvania changed their registration to become Democrats. I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans."




Read more: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31639



This is HUGE, if it makes 60 and he votes with us. If Coleman gives in.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. LOL No Shit?
love politics

Fuck off Arlen
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #19
51. I am going to email him and thank him BUT encourage him to help the President
achieve his goals for the American People.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #51
219. tell him to vote for the Employee Free Choice Act.
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mr11 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #51
407. Hopefully he will listen
:thumbsup:
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #19
66. trying to call and tell him how pleased I am
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
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20. Eh. I'll buy it when I see it.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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92. It's also on the front page at MSNBC.com.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #92
93. I have since seen it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. it's from humanevents.
they don't qualirfy as reliable.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
22. Oh my, I really doubt this.
But I've been wrong before.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #22
47. He's often stood against Republicans, and he'll have much to gain.
For one, running as a Republican these days is automatically an uphill battle.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #47
109. Specter is running from the Repug disease -- and we don't want to catch what he has . . .
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #109
172. I welcome him to our side of the aisle in the Senate, and we need to beat him in the primariy and
elect a progressive in PA in 2010

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #172
199. I'm for beating him in the primaries . . . and what is it they say about PA . . .
something like part of it is Alabama and another part LA?

Think I have it wrong, but good luck on moving out of the rightward rut --
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #199
273. I'm in MT, but I saw that state solidly elect Obama last year. I think it's moving left,
like the rest of the country and the world.
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jkirch Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #199
283. Pennsylvania:
Philadelphia in the East, Pittsburgh in the West and Alabama in the middle.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #283
402. Yes!!! . . . Thank you--!!!
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #199
319. Everything between Pittsburgh and Philly is Alabama --
everything west of Pgh is Mississippi.

:D Of course, that's only one version; there are many others.
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
23. CNN reporting !
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 11:01 AM by coffeenap
CNN radio says his office confirms.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. thanks for the confirm
crazy
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #23
33. wow.... Just posted on CNN TV also..nt
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #23
35. MSNBC website has headline up as well - citing AP
BREAKING NEWS: Republican U.S. Senator Arlen Specter in talks to switch parties, sources tell AP

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #23
173. That is why I waited until a major source like CNN carried the story...
...I really thought at first it was just a rumor.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
24. OH NOES!! There will be mass hysteria and the slitting of wrists in all the 'family values' folks'
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 11:01 AM by sinkingfeeling
homes and on Capitol Hill.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #24
70. lol n/t
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tiddlywinks Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #24
388. thank gad for taht
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
25. human events? Take it with a grain of salt. nt
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #25
139. ?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #139
151. That's a r/w site not known for their deep analysis or truthiness.
So they were right-this time.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
27. We don't need him nor want him. He cannot be trusted to be that 60th vote on any issue.
Better he stays a puke, loses his primary to Toomey, and is replaced by a real Democrat. Though that is never a sure thing (e.g., Casey).
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #27
113. Exactly . . . he can always vote with Democrats if he wants to -- we need REAL Democrats . . .!!
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #27
386. I don't trust him either
He only did this because he knows he won't win next year's Republican primary. He is trying to keep his Senate seat, nothing more.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
28. From RINO to DINO?
Maybe he can caucus with Lieberman. :shrug:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #28
32. Now THAT is a DUzy!
:rofl:
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #28
53. You are right ! This is mostly a symbolic victory, IMHO nt
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #28
77. Perfect!
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #28
217. I was thinking the same thing.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
29. OMG! Just the other day I said I thought he should do this as he was toast within
the Repubs! Wow. I had no idea he might actually do it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
30. When was the last time a US Senator actually bolted from one major party to the other?
Jeffords and Lieberman went Independent.

Was it Shelby?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #30
97. Ben Nighthorse Campbell in the early 90's.
Switched to repuke.
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lakercub Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #30
112. Ben "Nighthorse" Campbell from Colorado
in 1995. As a Coloradan I remember this very well. The prick saw the writing on the wall (Colorado was becoming ridiculously conservative as our anti-gay amendment 2 showed) and jumped parties. And boy did he jump. By the end, he was a down-the-line republican voter.

I am glad Specter is doing this but his motives are obvious. Had he gotten through his primary in 2010 he still would have been elected as a republican. But he wasn't going to get through his primary. Toomey is about 15 points ahead among Republicans. So this move is likely just to protect his seat, which means his motives are not overly trustworthy. I would still hope a good dem may rise up to challenge him in a primary...beating Toomey shouldn't be overly difficult with a competent candidate.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #112
140. Shelby switched November 9, 1994 - very sordid and partisan story
Shelby publicly feuded with Bill Clinton during the first half of his first term. At a meeting with Vice President Al Gore, he turned to 19 Alabama TV cameras and denounced the Clinton program as "high on taxes, low on spending cuts". However, as Clinton's approval ratings began to decline, Shelby's popularity ratings became some of the highest in the state... He voted with Senate Republicans against the administration on almost every partisan issue... On November 9, 1994, Shelby switched his party affiliation to Republican one day after the Republicans won control of both houses in the midterm elections...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Shelby
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #30
149. From CNN...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/28/senatorial-party-switchers/

Richard Shelby of Alabama
Democrat, 1987-1994; Republican, 1994-present
* Shelby left the Democratic party to join the Republicans on November 9, 1994, just after 1994 midterm elections that gave Republicans control of both chambers of Congress.

Ben Nighthorse Campbell of Colorado
Democrat, 1993-1995; Republican, 1995-2005
* Campbell left the Democratic party on March 3, 1995, to join the Republicans.

Bob Smith of New Hampshire
Republican1990-July 13, 1999; Independent, July 13, 1999 to November 1, 1999; Republican, November 1999 - 2003
* Smith left the Republican party on July 13, 1999, to become an independent. On November 1, 1999, he switched back to the Republican Party, noting that he had never officially switched parties because his voter registration in New Hampshire remained unchanged.

Jim Jeffords of Vermont
Republican, 1989-2001; Independent, 2001-2007
* Jeffords announced on May 24, 2001, that he would leave the Republican Party on June 6, 2001, to become an independent who would caucus with Democrats. His switch gave Democrats control of the Senate, though Republicans would reclaim the chamber after the 2002 midterm elections.

Joe Lieberman of Connecticut
Democrat, 1989-2006; Independent, 2006-present
* Lieberman lost his state's Democratic primary in August 2006, but won re-election in November as an independent, though he had not officially changed his voter registration. In the Senate, he continues to caucus with the Democrats.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
31. Big news if true!
How are the Repukes going to react? It'll either be silence or the opposite extreme. Either way, it should be fun to watch. :)
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. cnn just confirmed,
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. breaking on msnbc - schuster confirming....nt
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #31
52. CNN reporting now.
Arlen Spector saying that the Rep. party no longer defines his views (paraphrasing).

Of course, the fact that he was toast as a republican didn't have anything to do with his decision!:sarcasm:
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
34. MSNBC.com running it as a Breaking Story.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
37. Freepers are already
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #37
41. interesting. ha. and they are blaming Karl Rove??
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #37
55. Senile? No... if he'd forgotten what his party had done these last 8 years,
it'd be far more difficult for him to switch.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #37
430. Two subjects about which they have first hand knowledge.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
39. CNN Web Headline
Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter will switch from the Republican to the Democratic Party, multiple sources tell CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
40. He wasjust reading Rove talking points last week
The day after KKKarl talked about "Colonels in sunglasses" on Fox "News", Arlen used the same phrases on the Senate floor.

I will still welcome him though.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
42. It's huge, but I can't help wondering....
If the criminals who drove this nation in the dirt need any Senator in their pocket, it's one who sat on the Intelligence, Judiciary, and Veterans' Affairs Committees during their evil reign. That's Arlen.

So... where's the other shoe?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #42
222. I was just thinking that. Something's coming, and Arlen is bailing
Arlen is no dummy, and he's privy to a hell of a lot of classified info. He's bailing, just in time before the shit hits the fan.

I take this as a harbinger of something big.

Popcorn, anyone? :popcorn:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
43. Ed Schultz just announced Specter is a Democrat
And said it was just announced moments ago on the Hill.
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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #43
64. Filibuster Proof Majority with Al Franken then????
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #64
131. All the more reason for them to keep fighting Franken's win
grrr.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
44. But he stays in the corporatist party! That is the important thing to his real backers!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #44
229. Yes, dear. It's all a plot.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #229
309. It could only be true if both sides work and take money from the same master
eh, who needs facts anyway :shrug:
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #44
390. note that he used the Employee Free Choice Act as his declaration of independence
from being a "rubber stamp." The Corps are cheering.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
45. I guess he doesn't want to be on the wrong side of the torture debate
n/t
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #45
72. bingo
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #45
116. Specter helped put the torturers in place and keep them there . . .
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #45
228. See post #42, and my post (#222)
:popcorn:
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #45
366. He's already there
spewing Republican talking points re: Torture:

"If there is evidence of criminality, then the Attorney General has the full authority and should prosecute it. But going after the prior administration sounds like something they do in Latin America in banana republics."
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RDANGELO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
46. Let's make a deal.
He comes over; votes for employee free choice; He gets a committee next session.
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #46
176. He says he's not changing his mind on that!!
Still against it--but hopefully he'll reconsider!
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
48. Link to Washington Post mention
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/specter-to-switch-parties.html

Those of us from Philly know that Specter USED TO BE a Democrat back in his younger political days and switched parties when he ran for D.A. here in the mid-'60s.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
49. He discovered he cannot win re-election.
Simple math!!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #49
56. He's living in a reality based community, apparently.
:bounce:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #49
119. Right . . . and we should leave him where he is and run a real Democrat --- !!!
The power has shifted and Specter wants to move with it --

Specter has conscience suddenly?? Not likely looking at "Magic Bullet"/JFK witnesses and

Prof. Anita Hill treatment.
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #119
147. he was on TOTN yesterday and said you'd have to show him the actual statute
that showed that anyone from BushCo should be prosecuted for torture. In other words, he doesn't believe any crimes were committed.
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Old Michigander Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #119
164. Let's not forget
his role in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

His covering up of the coup de tat will not play well in the democratic primary in Pennsylvania.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #164
290. Coup de tat? That's hysterical.
You didn't intend for it to be, but that's the funniest thing I've read here today. A cousin of "tit for tat" perhaps?
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #290
321. As in puddy tat? The cats are taking over? nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #290
323. The JFK nuts are by definition hysterical.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:47 AM
Response to Reply #323
445. On BOTH sides.
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 03:49 AM by No Elephants
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #290
367. Wow, that's really kind esp. to a newcomer
Not!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #367
440. Oh, get over yourself. The remark was beyond absurd.
If you want to play the woo-woo conspiracy theory game, or coddle people in the tinfoil hat club, you be my guest. That kind of crap is absurd, and the malaprop to announce a dire impossibility was hysterical to anyone who hasn't had an ironyectomy.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #290
429. Feel better now?
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 12:33 AM by No Elephants
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #429
441. I've always felt fine. You? Your point? NT
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #164
362. exactly. Who can believe anyone from the Warren Commission is on "our side"...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #164
417. Recall that after the "JFK" release, PA almost did succeed in dumping him ---
evidently, a lot of people don't know this history ---- and the movie woke up PA!

Specter was one of the helpmates who delivered this fascist right wing to America --

and part of helping the most murderous and vile of them.

I've also been astonished that evidently so little is known of Watergate

with the new Nixon/Frost movie evidently new propaganda that it was a big "nothing" -- !!!!

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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #49
121. And winning elections is the one and only thing Arlen Specter cares about. (nt)
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #49
171. I'm surprised he's running again
He's been looking quite frail. I had him figured for retirement.

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CRK7376 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
50. CNN just
broke the news that he's switched parties. WOW! Hurry up MN, figure out how to bury Coleman and get Franken seated. Too Bad so Sad for the Repubs.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
54. If so, is it because he's not polling well against Toomey?
I heard he's way behind and it's up in the air if he can regain the majority of conservatives support in PA.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
57. AP via USAToday also has it
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
58. Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter will switch from the Republican to the Democratic Party
Source: CNN

Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter will switch from the Republican to the Democratic Party, multiple sources tell CNN.

No complete story yet, just a headline at CNN.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/



:wtf:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #58
59. This is the absolute worst possible news the GOP can imagine
Gawd it must suck to be them. In 2010 we'll probably have 70+ Senators. :)
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #59
63. 2010 is going to be a watershed year for the Dems.
Goodbye repukes!
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #59
65. Isn't life great !!! This news just made my day !
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. Washington Post confirms, with quotes
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/specter-to-switch-parties.html

Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter will switch his party affiliation from Republican to Democrat and announced today that he will run in 2010 as a Democrat, according to a statement he released this morning.

Specter's decision would give Democrats a 60 seat filibuster proof majority in the Senate assuming Democrat Al Franken is eventually sworn in as the next Senator from Minnesota. (Former Sen. Norm Coleman is appealing Franken's victory in the state Supreme Court.)

"I have decided to run for re-election in 2010 in the Democratic primary," said Specter in a statement. "I am ready, willing and anxious to take on all comers and have my candidacy for re-election determined in a general election."

He added: "Since my election in 1980, as part of the Reagan Big Tent, the Republican Party has moved far to the right. Last year, more than 200,000 Republicans in Pennsylvania changed their registration to become Democrats. I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans."

Specter as a Democrat would also fundamentally alter the 2010 calculus in Pennsylvania as he was expected to face a difficult primary challenge next year from former Rep. Pat Toomey. The only announced Democrat in the race is former National Constitution Center head Joe Torsella although several other candidates are looking at the race.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #60
71. thanks bigworld - just added those quotes to my OP
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #58
61. Some back room deals here, no doubt.
Hope he caucuses and votes with the Dems. This could be a significant change in the equation.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #61
123. Specter would be just more Republicanism in Democratic party -- rightward shift ...!!!
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #58
62. Oh please, oh please.....
MSNBC doesn't have a story yet either, but says that Specter is in talks to switch. I hope that it all pans out and Specter comes over to the light side, if for no other reason than to see the craniums of Bill-O, the Mannity, and Harold Hill - excuse me, I meant Glenn Beck - explode.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
67. Confirmed by WaPo.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
68. Holy Cow! This is a huge political story!
I mean hugh!

This comes right out of left field.

:P

laughing my ass off here - up yours you stupid party of obstructionists!
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
69. so now he runs for re-election as a Dem -- and lets the Pa. GOPpers nominate their nut?
n/t
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #69
79. Hasn't the Club for Growth been discredited?
They had their boys in the White House for 8 years, and I'm not exactly seeing Growth....
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #79
317. Specter beat them up pretty good on TV today.
Said the Club for Growth just cares about getting their rightwing extremists elected in the Primaries, with little or no regard for electability in the General. Specter cited specific cases in 2004 & 2006 where the Club for Growth succeeded in edging out centrist GOP Senate candidates in the Primaries, only to lose in the General to Democrats. He talked quite a bit about that in the presser.

If people didn't realize Republicans are a party of extremists after 8 years of Bush/Cheney with their Bush league lapdog GOP Congress in place most of that time, there should be no doubt after Specter's scathing retort on the subject today.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #69
94. His toughest competition would have been
in the GOP primary. This is probably a very smart move, tactically.

Now, will he be challenged by a viable Dem in THAT primary? I don't know, and it remains to be seen. Wonder if that was part of any dealmaking to get him to switch?
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #69
268. Their nut had it in the bag anyway
So now it's up to Specter to prove to voters that he's worthy of his new party's nomination. If he votes in favor of cloture and comes through on the votes that matter most, he should be given the opportunity to serve another term.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
73. if this si true, they are even bigger OPPORTUNISTIC pigs
that I originally thought.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
74. Let's hope he's gonna support Obama's agenda... we don't need anymore DINO's. n/t
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
75. All the major media outlets appear to be jumping on this
Receiving all my breaking news emails.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
76. He faces a major threat from within his party
A "Club for Growth" hard core wingnut is challenging him for the nomination, and his "moderate" (by Republican standards) stands are not popular with the likely primary voters.

The Republicans are insane (I know - a tautology) and would rather run someone with the "correct" right wing views that will lose instead of someone like Specter who will win.

If the PA Dems do go with Specter, they have an assured win on their hands. They really don't have anyone ready to run against him with the same degree of statewide name recognition, so they cut off their nose to spite their face if they don't accept him into the party, and choose to run a relative unknown against him. Running against Club for Growth Toomey would be a toss-up.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
78. Wow, Laura PourMeADrink. Thank you! This is news we can live with! n/t
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
80. Glad to hear Arlen is switching teams!!!
And it's also pretty cool he's joining the Dems, too!
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
81. I'm thinking the GOP can keep Specter
He's acted against the best interests of our nation quite enough without having him screw up our party.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #81
128. Clarence Thomas
His defense, and voting for, Thomas for SC is the first thing I think of when I see him. I've never been able to forget. I think he was trying to get back into the good graces for what he did to Bork. Now he's trying to get back into the good graces of the Democratic party. Sorta a reverse Lieberman. I guess this is what Obama means by trying to reach across the aisle. But man, couldn't it have been Snowe or something?
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
82. No, PLEASE... this is a disaster we Do. Not. Need. Not now...
Not ever, really.

Please, someone, tell me it's a bad dream.

fearfully,
Bright
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
83. That + Franken = 60
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 12:15 PM by demwing
and just in time for some serious shit to hit the fan
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #83
111. Yeah I can't wait for Aretha to get seated!
:silly:
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #111
126. LOL!!!! n/t
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #111
190. That was some funny shit. Sorry for the goof.
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 12:17 PM by demwing
hey I had a brain numbing night...

But I can definitely see Franken singing to Minnesota right now:

R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Find out what it means to me
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Take care, TCB

Oh (sock it to me, sock it to me,sock it to me, sock it to me)
A little respect (sock it to me, sock it to me,sock it to me, sock it to me)
Whoa, babe (just a little bit)
A little respect (just a little bit)
I get tired (just a little bit)
Keep on tryin' (just a little bit)
You're runnin' out of foolin' (just a little bit)
And I ain't lyin' (just a little bit)
(re, re, re, re) 'spect
When you come home (re, re, re ,re)
Or you might walk in (respect, just a little bit)
And find out I'm gone (just a little bit)
I got to have (just a little bit)
A little respect (just a little bit)
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
84. This might encourage Collins and Snowe to switch as well
Now that the 60-seat barrier has been crossed (assuming Coleman gets a fucking clue at some point), it makes things easier.

But oh boy, will the RNC go after Franken now!

Can't wait till Franken makes it to the Senate. It will be like a crowning - the Senator to officially give Dems the filibuster-proof majority!!! Love it! :)
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #84
152. Wasn't Collins the one who helped get funding for pandemic prevention
and the CDC slashed out of Obama's stimulus bill?

Thanks, but no thanks. She's no Democrat.
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #152
191. I'll take your word for it.
But without the support of Specter, Collins, and Snowe, there would have been no stimulus. I'm not happy with the final version of the stimulus, but I'm happy that some version did get passed.

Many Democratic senators have questionable voting records/positions/legislation etc. Would be easy to say they are "no democrats" too.

When it comes to Congress, very, very few represent truly progressive ideals. So you have to end up making deals with the devil to at least point in the direction of progressive thought and reality. The alternative is disastrous.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #152
215. To be fair, she wanted it moved to the regular budget , which it was, and she voted for it there.
According to KO
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:06 PM
Original message
Her argument was and is that she supports funding PP, but not in the stimulus bill.
She wants it in the regular budget.

Someone should offer a supplemental to the budget if this N1H1-North America-Mexico-Swine Flu really gets going.

If she were to vote for something like that, I'd forgive her.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #84
184. Gads....
...that would be wonderful! :bounce:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:36 PM
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226. Can we put Lieberman in the trash now?
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:56 PM
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250. That would be awesome!!! But...
the more I think of it, the more I don't think Collins and/or Snowe will switch. Since they don't have election issues to worry about - neither is up before 2012, and they are very popular senators in their states.

They might as well be courted by both sides, and be truly independent.

Sigh, I guess droopy dog is going to be hanging around for a while :(
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NewEngland4Obama Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
85. Arlen Specter to change parties
Source: Washington Post

Specter To Switch Parties
Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter will switch his party affiliation from Republican to Democrat and announced today that he will run in 2010 as a Democrat, according to a statement he released this morning.

Specter's decision would give Democrats a 60 seat filibuster proof majority in the Senate assuming Democrat Al Franken is eventually sworn in as the next Senator from Minnesota. (Former Sen. Norm Coleman is appealing Franken's victory in the state Supreme Court.)

"I have decided to run for re-election in 2010 in the Democratic primary," said Specter in a statement. "I am ready, willing and anxious to take on all comers and have my candidacy for re-election determined in a general election."



Read more: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/specter-to-switch-parties.html?hpid=topnews
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #85
86. Someone, please tell me this is a not-very-funny practical joke.
Please, tell me that.

PLEASE...

pleasepleasePLEASE, I'm begging!

omigod...

The thought sends chills down my spine.

disbelievingly,
Bright
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #85
87. Uh, this is a duplicate posting in LBN. Already two threads on greatest page.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #87
107. thanks for noticing - nothing out there when I posted.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #107
125. That entry is from the duplicate that was merged with your first LBN post. The beginning of
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 11:40 AM by sinkingfeeling
the dup was with NewEngland4Obama.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #125
255. oh, you are right ! sorry about that - didn't see them at all when I posted. nt
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
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88. We are so screwed
How many times has Specter acted against the best interests of our nation?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #88
129. Truth that many here don't see to know . . .
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
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89. Sure this isn't from The Onion? n.t
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #85
110. hahahahahahahahahaha
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jimnasium Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
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90. Makes sense..
He knew he was going to get primaried.

There's no doubt he can take Toomey in a general election, so he's switching to ensure his political survival.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:55 AM
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91. This isn't as good as it sounds
Spector had no choice. Republicans had already given him the kiss of death, along with Snowe. Repukes will love this. They have pushed him out of the party. Spector knew this was coming. He knew his only shot at reelection was either to run as an Independent or a Democrat. I remember when Rush Limbaugh said that Spector was through after he gave his vote to the Dems on the bailout. Rush said over and over again that he would work as hard as he could to get Spector booted from office. All this does is show how strong Limbaugh is as a voice of the republican party. And it aslo shows how weak Spector is. Spector couldn't even stand up for himself. I don't want him in the Democratic party.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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96. It is if he votes for cloture with us.
The fact that he chose (D) and not (I), and complained about obstructionism in his press release, is a good sign.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #96
115. You may be right.
I just believe that he is weak when it comes to standing his ground. I mean he says that his reason for leaving the GOP is because they no longer represent his values. Ok fair enough. But my god it took him this long to figure that out. I just believe that he chose political expediency when he ran for the Senate as a Republican, and now that the waters are a little choppy, and his fellow colleagues are putting pressure on him, he decides to switch parties. What if he wins reelection as a Democrat, and then several years down the road, the democrats in the Senate put pressure on Spector. He could up again decide to bolt back to the GOP. And who knows in a couple of years the Democratic party may not have the big majority it has right now.

I guess you will have to put me in the category of wait and see. I just hope this doesn't backfire on the Democratic party.
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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #91
98. Dont worry - we too can unseat him in the Democratic primaries if he does not play ball.
in the short run .. he will have to show allegiance to Democratic Agenda.

and we will be able to override the Puke Filibuster when Franken is Seated.


How wonderful is that?
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #98
130. Oh yes you are right
Spector has put himself in a tight spot for sure. The Democrats in the Senate, assuming he wins reelection that is, are going to expect him to play ball. I am not quite 100% sure Spector is going to like what the Democrats are going to be asking of him. Talk about being stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Still, Spector could prove me wrong and step up to the plate and start pushing progressive ideas and agenda through the Senate. But like you said if he doesn't it will be a short ride and in the end it will a political career gone awry for Arlen.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #98
182. Well, if he loses the Dem primary does that mean the Dem
leadership will have to turn out and support him in the General?

That's how LIEberman survived, after all. Maybe Arlen has that in mind?
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #91
101. Well, the more people they congratulate themselves on
pushing out of their party, the better, as far as I'm concerned.

Will he be a reliable Dem vote? I strongly doubt it. He's got a history of making strong verbal stands for public consumption and then taking little or no action. But I still think this is a psychological victory for us.
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #91
104. You're right about Rush running the party
But what he's doing is running it into the ground!

Specter couldn't stand up for himself because his party listens to loudmouth whackos, not the people.

He's definitely not a progressive, but he's a moderate. And when the Repugs can't even hold onto the moderates, they are in serious trouble.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #91
134. Specter is no Democrat -- and I don't want him any near the party, either -- !!!
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #18
95. I think it is just to win the 2010 primaries since Toomey will kick his ass in a GOP primary
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 11:29 AM by Juche
Too bad he abandoned the labor movement and if people want a democrat representative they will get one and not a halfway one like Specter.

If he runs as a dem in the 2010 primary he will face the wrath of organized labor and liberals combined. Good luck winning that primary as I bet they put all their time and effort into a real democrat, not one who abandoned the labor movement and now wants to save his political career.
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FudaFuda Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #95
118. Agreed. All Specter's done today is prove what a weasel he is.
Toomey's got a 20 point or more lead on him already, and apparently in PA you can't pull a Lieberman third-party endrun, so kissing big (D) ass is his only option. This man has no principles, only greed and power-lust. Reid, et al. are gonna welcome him for the prospect of his vote, but he oughtta be getting a big GTFO from Senate democrats.

Strange bedfellows.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #95
136. I hope this is the end of Specter who is one of the more evil Repugs .. . .
and that Toomey wins . . . !! I'll contribute to Toomey!

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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #136
143. Toomey can't possibly win in Pennsylvania
Thank god. What I would love to happen is Reid welcomes Specter, Specter votes with the dems on domestic and foreign issues then in 2010 labor and liberals put all their time and money behind a real democrat in the 2010 primary. Then that dem will be Toomey and we will walk away with the best of all worlds.

The GOP will become more radical (and marginalized) by kicking out another moderate, we get Specter's votes on important issues in the 111th congress and we get a real democrat in PA come 2010.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #18
99. I believe that in his heart Arlen
has always been a progressive but he has been held hostage by his ever changing party. Once a Democrat I think he will become a big supporter of Obama. This is not to say he will suddenly be as liberal as Kennedy or Harkin but he will be there with the administration on most important issues. This is huge.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #99
141. What . . . ? This is the maker of the "Magic Bullet" cover up re JFK . . .
this is the guy intimidated and threatened JFK witnesses --

and tried to do the same with Prof. Anita Hill, paving the way for the pervert

Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court.

This is the guy still trying to cut Medicare -- by $1 billion only recently!!!

Liberal or progressive . . . ??? What???
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #18
100. He's an opportunist and would be another Liebermann. n/t
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #18
102. WOW!!
Quite amazing! I guess they pissed off old Arlen once too many. I know about his problems in a republican primary and about his various past sins (some of them I guess the list is longer), but I cannot stop having a soft spot for Specter. For one thing he is smart and very knowledgeable in his main area of expertise. He is also an adult. And a fighter. I am sure he i snot going to turn into Bernie Sanders overnight, but he will be at least as good (better in a variety of ways is my guess) than Ben Nelson.

All in all, though I am all for post-partisanship and am really sorry that so far it did not exactly work out, I cannot but feel like jumping up and down (virtually, I am at work) at the partisan deliciousness of this :rofl:
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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103. This puts added pressure on the senators from Maine
Somewhere out there, a Maine Senators betting pool is being organized.

I do think the Republicans are handling being out of power quite poorly :-) And I'll take this newfound Democrat for the moment, even if next election I'll be supporting yellow dogs over blue dogs in the primaries (including any challenger he may have).

He's old, after all, and not that healthy. Better he spend the rest of what little political future he may have as a Democrat than as a Republican.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #18
105. This is a compromise for 60 which shouldn't take place . . .
not any more than our Founders should have compromised with slave holder and slave states.

The Democratic Party should have nothing to do with Specter, who -- last I heard -- was

still trying to take another $1 Billion from Medicare--!!!

Specter is one of the foulest of the foul of Repugs -- arguing the "Magic Bullet" for the

Warren Commission cover-up -- threatening JFK witnesses like Jean Hill -- and was one of

the most disgusting questioners of Prof. Anita Hill, trying to threaten and intimidate her.

This man is a neo-con guard and the Democratic Party should have nothing to do with him.

How desperate are we?



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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #105
132. has that ever happened? a party refusing someone?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #105
133. has that ever happened? a party refusing someone?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #133
150. I presume a party can refuse --
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 11:51 AM by defendandprotect
and given Specter's history -- which obviously not a lot here know of -- it would

be the correct thing to do.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #150
434. I don't think the Party can stop him from being a Democrat. It can be cold to him, though, but that
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 01:02 AM by No Elephants
does not seem to be the drill.

As far as I am concerned, he belongs right next to LIEberman in the caucus. And I hope that he gets primaried by a real Democrat. That does not seem to be the agenda, though. Obama is saying he will help Spec raise money.

When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #133
372. Obama has already welcomed him
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 05:23 PM by Cherchez la Femme
'with open arms' or 'enthusiastically' or something similar.

I lost the link (pretty sure it was WaPo), if I find it I'll ad it here.

Here it is:

"President Obama was informed of Specter's decision at around 10:25 a.m., according to White House officials, and reached out to the senator minutes later to tell him "you have my full support," and we are "thrilled to have you."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/specter-to-switch-parties.html
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #105
137. Specter is NOT a neocon
Not everybody you disagree with on some/many issues is a neocon (or eveil, for that matter). If anything, based on what I know about him, and I grant it that it is rather sketchy in terms of the more distant past, he is an old-con, the type of old fashioned republican like the few that openly supported Obama and that find it increasingly difficult to call the current republican party their "home".
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #137
148. Specter is evil . . . without question -- and his only effect on Democratic Party
would be to move it to the right --

Check into his work for the Warren Commission -- intimidating witnesses --

and, unfortunately, they don't run the WHOLE of the Clarence Thomas hearings --

but it is because of Specter and other neo-con Repugs that we have Thomas on the

Courts -- and in large part that led to the Gang of 5 being able to put Bush in

the White House! Specter's intimidation of Prof. Anita Hill -- along with other

thug like Repug Senators was shocking and I wish it could be reseen today in its

entirety.

Clarence Thomas is a pervert who will effect our futures negatively for many, many

decades yet.

And last I heard he ws still trying to cut another $1 billion from Medicare.



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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #105
145. maybe he is right?
He says he now finds that his values are more in line with the Democratic party. Maybe that says more about the party than it does about him? I think it is possible that the Democratic party could become the conservative party in the country, similar to moderate Republicanism from the past. That will leave a vacuum on the Left, of course - or rather I should say the vacuum that already exists will be impossible to deny.

Many here say that we need to destroy or eliminate the Republican party. The fastest and most likely way for that to happen is to replace it with the Democratic party. By "conservative," by the way, I mean lined up with Wall Street and the big money, and reflective of the values and world view of relatively upscale professional suburbanites. The Democratic party is already most of the way down that road.

It looks to me that the party is going to miss the massive populist wave that has been building. The party movers and shakers are gambling that it has passed, that we will soon go back to normalcy and that the liberal version of trickle down will work, that the whole re-tool re-train nonsense will still work, that the "reward the right choices" government band-aids and "baby steps" toward "progressive change" will be sufficient, that the Left can be permanently marginalized and neutralized, and that all will be fine. Big gamble.



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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #105
167. He says finds his political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans.
Funny, I don't. Now, if he really wants to show me something, he should have a re-think on his view that those from BushCo who condoned torture break no laws.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #167
416. Specter said that . . . ???
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #105
241. Regarding "magic bullet", read the book "Blackhawk Down". n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #241
414. Checked it on Amazon and .... can you elaborate as to the
connection to Specter/"Magic Bullet" . . . ?

Actually, Specter didn't invent the concept -- but he delivered it.

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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #414
455. The book describes lots of gunshot wounds in detail.

In a good number, maybe a couple dozen, the bullet acted "magically" because that apparently happens quite frequently when a bullet starts rifling around bones encased by flesh.

A related, but far less definitive, example is when the Special Forces guy tells the Rangers to stay away from the walls. The movie gives a 100% inaccurate video represenation of the reason by having an RPG knock a wall over a Ranger.

The explanation given in the book is that bullets will rifle along the wall like skipping stones off water. I would have thought bullets would ricochet away from the wall, but I will take the word of the SF guy. Particulary given those descriptions of a couple dozen "magic bullet" wounds imply this same characteristic.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #455
457. The Specter "Magic Bullet" is based . . .
on a bullet having gone thru JFK's back and neck and then into Connally, creating all
of Connally's wounds.

HOWEVER, the neck wound was identified by doctors at Parkland as an ENTRANCE WOUND -

and it had NO OUTLET which was confirmed at autopsy.

The wound in President Kennedy's rear right shoulder also had NO OUTLET which was

confirmed at autopsy. And was made at a 45 DEGREE DOWNWARD ANGLE.

Therefore, the impossibility of the "Magic Bullet" ---



No one gave the American public accurate information on this -- certainly not our
corporate-media.

Trust this is clear now?

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #105
316. Oh jeez, I knew the JFK conspiracy nuts would be comming out of the woodwork with this.
:eyes:

Specter isn't a neocon. Specter's not even close to being a neocon. "Neonconservative" has a clear meaning and should not be used to mean anyone you don't like.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #316
415. Specter helped deliver the most murderous of the neo-cons . . .
you may not think that makes him a neo-con, but in my opinion, it does . . .

Meanwhile, are you saying you believe the Oswald myth?

That would really be hilarious!

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #415
449. The dismissive tone of your post says far more about you than it does about me.
Your a typical "conspiracy theory of society" type that sees any disagreement with your nutty views as simply more evidence of the conspiracy, trapping you into a cycle of delusion.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #449
456. Thanks for making that clear . . .
and saving me wasted time -- you're on "ignore."
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #105
324. He issued an open apology to Anita Hill, and may have issued a private one as well.
He was hideous to her, but I have to give him credit for confessing his sins.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #324
413. OKay . . . do you also forgive him for helping put Clarence Thomas on the court . . .?
Without Thomas, the Gang of 5 probably would not have existed to put W in

the Oval Office.

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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #413
463. No. n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:44 AM
Response to Reply #324
444. I give him no credit for an apology that was in his self interest. Women of both parties were
very sympathetic to Hill. He went after her to try to wreck her credibility in order to get that turd Thomas on the bench. Only after that objective was accomplished did he apologize to Hill. At that point, the apology cost him nothing. The damage to Hill and the SCOTUS was already done. His apology, IMO, was made simply in an effort to save himself from the heat that was, very justifiably, IMO, coming at him.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #105
371. He's not going to vote with the party anyways
there is no way he's going to consistently vote with the Democrats, so he's useless.

I'd rather see him F* Up the Repukes when voting on an issue than the Democrats.
We don't need him. Period.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #18
106. He was going to lose his primary to a rush-ite
As an independent, he would still be on his own. This way he has a giant party supporting him. Look for Barack and Hillary to campaign.

Not as good as getting a progressive, but better than nothing. He will make 60, but he will now join the number of Democrats who support corporate interests over people.

republican press already in high spin mode. About 5,400 rpm, I would guess.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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108. He saw the handwriting on the wall.
Over 200,000 Republicans switched parties in Penn. before the last election.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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114. I would rather have Snowe and/or Collins.
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:55 PM
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247. Well, maybe they can be talked into switching too...
If the party veers right to the point that they go right off the cliff maybe Snowe and/or Collins won't want to hold the party's hand on the way down and switch.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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117. Fingers crossed.
Seat Franken!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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120. Great News, But It Almost MAkes Me Wonder
1) If it's April Fool's Day

or

2) If this is a bad sign for Franken/or coleman
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cindyfaulkner Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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122. Am watching and waiting but
welcome to the light Senator Specter.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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124. WOW!!!! Seat Franken now
And let's get the country back on track!!
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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127. Al Franken needs to stay out of small planes for the duration
Now the pressure on Pawlenty to NOT sign off on the election is going to get even worse.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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135. ouch. Isn't there anything the federal govt can do? I mean a state
can just never supply a senator if the so choose and the feds can't stop it?
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:11 PM
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181. Was wondering if someone would comment on "small planes", Arlen needs to stay on the ground too.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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138. Its time to show up with pitchforks and torches at Coleman's.
Enough with these obstructionist bastards.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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142. We don't need another R
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 11:49 AM by Politicalboi
With a D after his name. I wish he would just leave period. Mr. Magic Bullet. He's just trying to save his own ass. I can't stand him. Specter is the Swine flu. He's a coward and can't win in 2010.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:57 AM
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155. You would have rather that he hadn't changed parties?
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:30 PM
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375. Yes.
And in 2010 a REAL Democrat would be voted in. PA is now considered solidly blue.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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144. As a lifelong Pennsylvania with a somewhat jaundiced eye
I'll take him but I'm not all warm and runny over it. He was a Democrat many years ago in Philly. When he switched parties (because he did nto get the party nod, if I recall correctly), he sold his soul, went all the way over to the dark side. I view him as an opportunist, who is interested, first and foremost, in staying in the Senate.

Now, the question in my mind is, will he recover his soul? It only seems right, but I'm skeptical. I think he saw an opening because our state party can't manage to come up with a viable candidate, and he fears Toomey may beat him this time due to right-wing backlash. As a Democrat, he's a shoe-in.

Just MHO.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:56 AM
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146. wow, i'm hearing a great scream coming from the Right...but
we'll see.

I would feel better if he were supporting Employee Free Choice.
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:57 AM
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153. LOL great news
The only problem is that the Franken lawsuit will probably never be resolved. The GOP will use every trick in the book to keep Franken from being seated.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:09 PM
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177. I say, BRING IT ON
The public pressure to not be just the party of NO, will either topple their resolve, or utterely destroy the evil hollow shell. They will cease to exist. PHFFFTTTTT!
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:57 AM
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154. Specter encouraged Starr to keep at it even when Starr wanted to quit.
I guess I cannot forgive him for that.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:57 AM
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156. Great news!
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kooljerk666 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:59 AM
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157. Another life long Penna. resident here......
He has really pulled some stanky crapola in his time:
Anita Hill
Clarence Thomas
flopping on EFCA....

But I do remember him being interviewed. He said he became a repub cause the dirty dems in philly
did not want a good D.A.

At any rate, he need to flip on EFCA, single payer health insurance & torture prosecution to win my support.

Otherwise Joe Sestak is my man.
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:00 PM
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160. I am waiting for the craniums of...
...Bill-O-The-Clown, the Mannity, Harold Hill (aka Glenn Beck), Coultergeist, Mark Levin, and that Fat Ass Drug Addict to all explode.
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obietiger Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:22 PM
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201. oh, that will be good
I never watch/listen to them but this will be the time to do it. They are busy right now thinking of all the nasty things they can say about him
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:00 PM
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161. It's a trap!!
Seriously tho, I would expect him to prove himself by voting for the union organizing bill now pending.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:01 PM
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162. 1981, when I was a newspaper reporter, I interviewed Specter (right after he was first sworn in).
I was very impressed with the guy.
I remember thinking, "wow ... he's a pretty moderate, even liberal, Republican. Why isn't this guy a Democrat?"

That was 1981 ... 28 years later, he's finally done it! There's been a lot of water (and pandering to the conservatives) under the bridge. But I'll take his 59th vote for the Democrats, wherever possible.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:07 PM
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170. Interesting info....
...thanks! :hi:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:02 PM
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163. WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK HOLY SHIT!
:wow: :wow: :wow:
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sfwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:04 PM
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165. What did his pollings say?
He must have looked at 2010 and saw bleak blackness...
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:05 PM
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168. What this proves is how far right the Democratic Party has drifted.

n/t
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:10 PM
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178. No, it proves how far right the repukes have ran.
The repukes are a party of hate and NO! The Democratic Party is a huge tent now. The repukes a tiny tent.

Ultimately, it's a good thing.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:15 PM
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189. To be sure, a standard brand Repub bailing on the crazies.

However, the senator's new home need be congenial to his core values, not to mention his re-election promise.

Looks like a consolidation of the 'Money Party" to me.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:03 PM
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346. I like 'Central Leadership Corporation' better
Sounds a little more pc than Money Party, no?

:o
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:21 PM
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200. +1
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:55 PM
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292. You're absolutely correct about that. The Democratic Party operates under a very big tent.
We don't huddle in one corner, even though those who are huddled in that corner want us to be that way. Good thing our leadership knows better.

We've got Harkin, and we've got Reid. We've got Kucinich, and we've got Skelton. We've got Kennedy, and now we've got Specter.

Ultimately, it's a VERY good thing. I couldn't be more delighted.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:21 PM
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356. I agree. If anything, hopefully this will give "purists" of both parties much to think about
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:34 PM
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377. Both
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:29 PM
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391. HAHAHAHA!!!!
It's actually the opposite.

:rofl:

....not that I expected any different. How's your socialist party doing?
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:09 PM
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174. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:09 PM
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175. The GOP is reaping what it has sown for so long. They pushed out the liberals and moderates
and the ones who were left have decided to get out on their own. This could be the death knell for the repubs as a major party.

About f*****g time!

:woohoo::woohoo:
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:11 PM
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179. It's about time!
I'm sick and tired of hearing bad news. Can't wait to see Al Franken make it officially.
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Stargleamer Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:11 PM
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180. This guy will out-blue dog the blue dogs. . .
Make no mistake, this is just done so he can avoid losing the Republican primary, and be re-elected.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:12 PM
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183. Woohoo Arlen
:woohoo:
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:13 PM
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185. Now we need to work on Snowe & Collins
..because a little extra never hurts
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:35 PM
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225. Specter, Snowe, & Collins will tilt the Dems to the right
Precede with caution!
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:14 PM
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186. Thank Thom Hartmann
Not sure if his idea was the linchpin--but Thom has been encouraging his listeners to persuade Arlen to switch with donations to back it up.

I have always thought of him as the last of the true republicans left--but I'm glad in any way--this is good news.

K&R
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:14 PM
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187. This Pennsylvanian is glad to hear this news.
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:16 PM
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193. Fuck Arlen Specter.
He better be getting a fucking challenge in the Democratic Party. I want this piece of shit gone from the Senate for good. This motherfucker is more of a political chameleon than Norm Coleman.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:19 PM
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197. Yeah! We only want snowy-white dems!
Did yu read his statement? It is surprisingly straight forward in the reasons he is giving for switching.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:18 PM
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194. I don't trust ANY turncoat Republicans. Period.
And wasn't there that little matter involving Specter and Anita Hill?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:15 PM
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264. Well now he isn't a republican anymore is he. nt
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:19 PM
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196. OH YES WE CAN!!!

OMG, WOW! This is the happiest political day I can remember since... the Obama landslide election!

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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:23 PM
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202. Just saw this on CNN! Unbelievable!
Welcome to the team!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:25 PM
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205. "I would not be an automatic vote for cloture."
So don't go overboard.

Still, I was hoping he'd do this.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:26 PM
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206. ill still be supporting the primary challenger
if somebody in our party will have the balls to do it.

i have a feeling there is.






as much as id like to prove republicans wrong in the labling of the entire democratic party as socialist and extremist liberals...

i will not compromise my beliefs, and id much rather have a liberal in his seat than a moderate who just wants to keep his job.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:26 PM
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208. With these kinds of friends, who needs enemies. Spector is a self serving pos.
He should leave public life. We'd all be better off for it.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:27 PM
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210. Excellent!
Let's get Al Franken seated
and we'll have a filibuster proof
majority!

:woohoo:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:27 PM
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211. OKay . . . so what's the first bullet-proof legislation we want Dems to pass -- ???????
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 12:29 PM by defendandprotect
Global Warming -- ? Electric cars -- ????

Re-regulate capitalism -- ?? Glass Steagall -- ???

Single Payer Health Care -- ? Simply remove age limits from Medicare and off we go!

End the wars -- ?

Prosecute officials who paved way for torture -- ??

Labor reforms -- ??

Put the Fed under control of the Treasury -- ???

Reign in the credit card companies -- usuary 10% or less??

Put time limits on the student loans - which used to be six years -- ???

Pass the ERA -- ????

End taxpayer funding of "faith-based" organizations --- ????

Dismantle the CIA -- ???


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:27 PM
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212. Next up: Federal funding of blastocyst stem-cell research; I bet he got a deal on that
from Senate Dems.

It's good for me as I will benefit from it.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:28 PM
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213. on C Span it was reported that he will not vote on party lines.
so is it just because he wants to be re elected again in 2010 and having a (D) after your name means you can be? I hope PA residents will not be easily swayed by this.
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:33 PM
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221. He's a Joe 'LIEberman' type.
Maybe PA voters will boot him out in the primaries in favor for a REAL Dem. I'm shock he didn't turn Independent.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:53 PM
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245. Speaking of which, do you think Lieberman will go Republikkkan ???
The thought had just occurred to me.

:evilfrown:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:29 PM
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214. meh -- so the democratic party moved just a little further to the right. nt
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:49 PM
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238. Keep us posted as to which significant bills he votes against the Dems. nt
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:30 PM
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216. Holy shit! This was unexpected!
:wow:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:32 PM
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218. Psychological blows to the Party of No
are greatly appreciated.

:toast:
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:33 PM
Original message
What news to wake up to!! WOW. Watch the GOP do everything they can to stop Al Franken now.
N/T
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:56 PM
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251. They are already doing everything. nt
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:33 PM
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220. R. party to R. Congressional moderates: Abandon ship! nt
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:33 PM
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223. Well that makes him a conservative Democrat, just like my 2 Senators...................
...............here in Arkansas, Pryor and Lincoln. It helps, but we have to concentrate on making ALL the Dems, liberal.
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Number9Dream Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:34 PM
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224. Rendell - Specter would be unopposed as Dem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilu1X30ywu8

As a Lehigh Valley, PA resident, I remember the first time Specter ran against Toomey. Specter's TV ads bragged about how he voted with Dubya 95% of the time and showed a photo with his arm around Dubya.
I'd prefer a terrific Democrat like Rep. Joe Sestak.
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BlueInPhilly Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:39 PM
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230. I AM VERY PROUD OF MY STATE!!!
Democrat Josh Shapiro, a state rep, nearly kicked Specter's butt in 2004.

But BEST WISHES, SENATOR! You have my 2010 vote!
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phillyindependent Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:55 PM
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249. This is a last ditch..
effort but an senator with a long record of serving his electorate. Unfortunately, hes burned too many bridges in the last year. First supporting the stimulus plan he angered the republicans, as seen by the 20% margin lead by Toomey. Then he came out against EFCA which angered the union labor. Rendel says Specter will run unopposed in the Dem primary, which insures Specter will reach the general election. But I'm sorry to say but I don't think he can win the general hes just angered too many people.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:14 PM
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263. He is really going out with a thud
The best thing that could happen is for him NOT to seek re-election. The Republicans don't want him, and he's going to look pretty bad if he also loses in the Democratic primary. Better to just go gently into that good night.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:39 PM
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231. What the fudge?
I take a 2 hour nap and this shit went down.

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aquamarina Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:41 PM
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233. Now let's get FRANKEN seated.
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onestepforward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:43 PM
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234. Cautiously optimistic
although I do believe that he didn't fit so well in the repub. party.
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:45 PM
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235. I'll take that 59th vote if we can get it.
There will be times it could be useful.
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:47 PM
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237. Spector
This Is big news.I never saw this coming.He Is truthfully the closest you could get as a moderate Republican although when push
comes to shove for survival he would go along with Republicans but now he can be a moderate as much as he wants.Ed Rendell can openlly support him,and don't be surprised If President Obama campagins for him In PA against Toomey.and Spector may vote with Obama more than some DINO like Ben Nelson.

This Is part because he would lose the Republican primary.

But we now have 59 seats and when Al Franken IS finally seated we will get 60 seats If we can keep the democrats voting together.

And when Republicans call him a triater remember where were they when Richard selby and Ben Nighthouse Campbell switched to
Republicans.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:49 PM
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239. The 23%ers just had 99.99% of their heads explode!

Welcome Arlen!

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:50 PM
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240. Great news HOWEVER, do not count on a filibuster proof majority.
Sen Specter will continue to vote as he has which often is against the Democratic majority. Besides IMHO there will always be 3 to 5 Democratic Senators that will support the republiCon on any given issue. Just sayin.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:52 PM
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242. Specter is Playing Chess.. the GOP is playing Checkers...
I'm surprised that the republicans didn't see this coming.. they pretty much forced his hand. As soon as he voted for the stimulous package, they started talking about supporting anyone else who run against him in the primary.

So, Specter just decides to jump ship.. now the GOP can support whoever they want, and they can have their guy run against him in the GENERAL.

Brilliant politics - if it works.

But, it's a celebration for today in Democrat Land.. because the GOP just chopped off their noses to spite their faces, and they didn't really even realize it. Which makes it all the more hysterical.

60? Oops.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:52 PM
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243. Just curious...did anyone see this coming?
I didn't ... but I can be pretty unaware some times! :hi:
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:53 PM
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246. When I saw that Toomey was ahead in the polls I wondered
if Specter would take the gambit.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:53 PM
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244. Limbaugh will say
"We don't want him. If he is going to vote as a Democrat, anyway, we don't want him."

Good, we'll take him. I've always liked Senator Specter, for a Republican, that is. He will moderate his position on several issues. He will be more of a Democrat than that damn Leiberman.
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lenegal Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:55 PM
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248. Hell yea!!!!!!!!!! Welcome to the Party.
I have always had respect for Arlen Spector. He has been a moderate Republican and was chased out of the party.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:00 PM
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253. And we haven't even seated Franken yet!!!!! The gods are with us.
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:34 PM
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360. It is time to crush the Republicans
The right of center voters will have no choice but to form a new party now; the Republicans are finished.

Until the conservatives have a chance to regroup, we have to push through the most important things on our agenda.

End the war in Iraq

Roll back the Bush tax cuts

Get Defense spending under control

Implement a research and development program for clean, renewable energy.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:32 PM
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410. I gotta' add:
Universal Health Care
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:02 PM
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254. Excellent!....
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:03 PM
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256. Paraphrasing Reagan: "Specter didn't leave the Republican Party, it left him." . . . nt
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Venceremos Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:06 PM
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258. Yeesh
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 01:07 PM by Venceremos
This smacks of desperation on Specter's part. He was getting his ass kicked in the GOP primary polls, so he switches to the Dems. I don't see how anybody could trust this politician now.

And I hardly see how Specter gives the Dems a "filibuster-proof Senate majority". He's putting a D behind his name in a transparent attempt to keep his seat, but I don't see him voting with the Dems any more than he did in the past. He's still just a swing vote that can't be trusted.



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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:30 PM
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277. Specter has never been one of my favorite Senators but this is
one time that I am willing to give him benefit of the doubt. Maybe he has just plain "Had Enough". Will be interesting to follow this wherever it goes. I don't see how he can keep any credibility at all if he just changed parties for the fun of it.

He will take a lot of heat from his long time repug friends and I'm sure he knows what a lot of Dem's think of him. This move took courage. Lets see if he has the spine to back up his actions.



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Venceremos Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:03 PM
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295. This is the second time he's changed parties
He changed from Dem to Repub in 1965, now back to Dem.

To quote Wikipedia: "In 1965, Specter ran for District Attorney, on the Republican ticket as a registered Democrat. He handily beat incumbent Jim Crumlish, and subsequently changed his registration to Republican."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlen_Specter

His switching parties twice is just starting to get legs - Politico just picked it up, I'm sure more will follow. There's also a video of an interview he did about the switch from Dem to Repub - right wing Washington Times is pushing it now.
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:31 PM
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334. Interesting tidbit but I would never judge anyone for something
they did 44 years ago. Sounds like I'm defending him and I'm not, but I would not choose a 44 year old bit of history as a reason to doubt.

I do not like the man very much but hope this move turns out to be a good one for us. It will be interesting to follow.
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SLSmith Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:09 PM
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260. CSPAN Clip: Specter in 2001: Why he Changed Democratic to Republican in 1965!
Specter is Repeat Offender! Isn't there a drug for this?

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rkPJm7amYk
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SLSmith Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:33 PM
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280. McConnell Vid Clip: "Threat to the Country Presented by Specter's DEFECTION!!"
GOPers help press conference prior to Specter's. Cornyn & McConnell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XW8-eaoUUM
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:16 PM
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304. But.....Mitch.....
...it's a free country, right? So it's OK for Shelby and Nelson to change, but not Specter?

:eyes:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:10 PM
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261. Arlen Specter? Or maybe Phil Specter? I hope this is good news for America.
Sounds like it.

:-)
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:16 PM
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265. Wow! I have to admit, I'm stunned. You don't see this everyday.
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 01:17 PM by ObamaKerryDem
I think Specter realizes the GOP's ship is sinking more and more each day, so there's probably a fair amount of political expediency on his end, but this is still an awesome development for us...and devastating news for them. 60 seat, filibuster proof majority, here we come!! :bounce: :D

God, I can't wait for Keith and Rachel tonight...and to watch Freeper/Fox News heads explode! :evilgrin:


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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:16 PM
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266. While this is good news... its going to cause the RNC to REALLY encourage Coleman
to keep stalling Franken in the courts.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:17 PM
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267. He still opposed the Employees Free Choice Act.
My change in party affiliation does not mean that I will be a party-line voter any more for the Democrats that I have been for the Republicans. Unlike Senator Jeffords' switch which changed party control, I will not be an automatic 60th vote for cloture. For example, my position on Employees Free Choice (Card Check) will not change.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gp8gH21QEwwAak_E1o4-pAPgdjkQD97RK4EO0

I don't think he will be a very reliable vote for progressive causes. It's mostly just political survival on his part, since he was widely believed to be in big trouble in the upcoming PA GOP primary.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:30 PM
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332. If he doesn't change his tune, he'll be in trouble in the upcoming Democratic primary, too. (nt)
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PuppyBismark Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:20 PM
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270. Great News!
My father-in-law lived in Pennsylvania. He is a Democrat, but said he voted for Specter a few times because he was the best candidate at the time. If he runs as a DEM, he will get elected.

:fistbump:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:20 PM
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271. His challenger was polling too strong.
This makes sense for him and the Dem party.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:24 PM
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274. Specter is my senator. I emailed him several times over the last
months to urge him to support the stimulus bill, and to gie him hell for Republican stupidity. Right wing republicans - about all that are left of the GOP - hate him and have stated many timed he is more democrat than republican. I guess this may be the first time many of them have been right.

Specter is not a stupid man, and I believe he can be a useful democrat. I certainly don't believe he has seen the light, but he has seen the light at the end of the tunnel - Toomy, who is extremely right wing and has mosre support with remaining Republicans than Specter could ever hope for. Specter could not win in the primary against Toomy, but he will win in the general election against the Republicans, especially if he starts voting with his new party.

I don't believe he will be an easy person to deal with, but to quote LBJ, "I'd rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in."

Welcome, Arlen Specter!

mark
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:20 PM
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326. Nothing closes an argument like an LBJ quote featuring bodily fluids.
"Landslide Lyndon" had a way with words.

In this case, I agree with the sentiment expressed.:hi:
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:55 PM
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364. A fun guy in his own way, LBJ......nt
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Veruca Salt Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:32 PM
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411. "I'd rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in."
I think that just needs to be repeated; I have my own doubts which have been duly noted by many others on this thread already so I don't have to rehash what has already been said. That quote though, sums up quite nicely why I'd rather take him than not. Thank you! :hi:
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:49 PM
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427. I have been waiting to use that quote since 1970. Thank you
for appreciating the LBJ-ism...


mark
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:24 PM
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275. Repubs are dead!
Finally our national nightmare is over.  Obama has majorities
in the House and Senate and can do what needs to be done.  No
more Repub obstructionists to stop the Obama administration in
getting this country right in the eyes of the world.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:26 PM
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276. Is it April 1st already?
Lets get crackin' and donate to Franken NOW so he wins this dang thing and we can have our filibuster-proof majority. Then Reid can't whine..."we don't have the vooooottttesss!!"
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:32 PM
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278. Now Democrats have to put up or shut up. What will be their excuse for sitting on their hands
now that they've got the magic 60?

They can't claim to need Republican votes since Spector was one of the few who would cross over.

From now on, whatever they do, they own 100%.

They better not fuck up.

Give us EFCA, single payer, and fix education WITHOUT free market snake oil salesmen like Arne Duncan.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:32 PM
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279. Now I wonder if Santorum will try to make a comeback
by running in the Republican primary. Wouldn't put it past him though I think he may not since he'd probably get drubbed in the general by Specter.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:53 PM
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291. Little Ricky is washed up in PA
If he relocated to SC or my state of ID (no, on second thought, don't do that Ricky) he might stand a chance.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:36 PM
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282. I've been out all day and hadn't been exposed to any news.
A few minutes ago, I came in, switched on the TV and the first thing I saw were the words "Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties". :bounce: So I now have two Democratic Senators! :bounce: :bounce:
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meuniermr Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:45 PM
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285. Holy Fark!
But I'm going to wait and see how he actually votes before I get all excited.
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AllenVanAllen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:46 PM
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286. BOOSH!!!!
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 02:24 PM by AllenVanAllen
That's what the republicans get for going bat-shit crazy and expecting all of their ranks to come with them.

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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:46 PM
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287. Primary him from the left!
The last thing we need are more right-wingers dragging this party in the wrong direction....
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:48 PM
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289. this is a 15 on the richter scale
watch for Lieberman to switch to republican soon.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:58 PM
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293. That would be real dumb. If you're an Independent, it's much smarter to caucus with the party in
power, if you want good committee assignments and a little clout. Didn't Reid give him a coveted assignment? He'd lose that if he switches.

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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:07 PM
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299. That's true. My un-cynical nature betrays me.
Personal interest may keep him caucusing with the Dems, but there will be a lot of pressure on him to be "a true statesman" and restore the much-touted balance of power, i.e. preserve the power of the so-called loyal opposition, and preserve the repub filibuster. I am sure personal interest will win out.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:19 PM
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306. He'll now be plugged into the "D" fundraising machine.
That's a lovely carrot....it's also a bigass stick if he tries to color too far outside the lines.

The reactionary "R" crowd (and, except for the "Why Can't We All Get Along" Meghan McCain types howling in the wilderness, and the distinguished Senators from Maine, that's all that's left of their party) think he's too much of a pointy-headed "New England" type Republican (even though PA ain't in NE) and I'm betting that cancer battle negatively affected his reservoir of campaign cash, simply because he wasn't able to do as much fundraising as a healthy person does. If he wants help in a general, he'll be a good lad. And if he's a real good lad, the machine will tell his potential opponent(s) to go run for some other job, or offer them a nice administration appointment.

I think conservative Democrats will find much to like about him, and moderate Dems will find some things to like about him, and very liberal Dems will probably never like him (though plenty of them managed to find a way to adore Jack Murtha, based on one stance on one issue), unless he does something to thrill them.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:03 PM
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294. =Bayh/Nelsons=Bullshit
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:03 PM
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296. So Spetecter pulls a Liebermann and everyone expects that he's going to change his stripes?
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 02:03 PM by depakid
I'll believe that when I see how the votes line up on the issues.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:06 PM
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298. Is this a joke?
nt
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:07 PM
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300. HOLY
I can't believe this, WOW
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:14 PM
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302. I wondering if he's going to be a Democrat or a DINO
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:17 PM
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305. Funny.
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:15 PM
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303. I certainly hope he still has to face an actual Democrat in next years primary
The Democrats don't need another Nelson or Landrieu, particularly in a state that they were likely going to take anyway.
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WoodyD Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:20 PM
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307. With Franken we get 60 but . . .
60 Senators with a (D) doesn't necessarily translate to 60 votes. One thing the Repukes were always able to do well was hold the party line and get their votes -- remember "The Hammer" Delay? Now of course best known for his creepily cheerful mug shot . . .

Then again, that's also because the Repukes have been pulled steadily to the bat-shit crazy right. The Dems have always had a bigger tent, which is why we have the blue dogs. Snowe is probably a more reliable vote on some Dem issues than some of the blue dogs.

Harold Hill (aka Glenn Beck)

I have to admit I cringe whenever KO uses that reference. The ghost of Robert Preston deserves better. And Harold Hill was an *honest* huckster.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:27 PM
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310. Both Olympia Snow and Susan Collins are to the left of some sitting Dems on some issues.
By initial after their names we don't always really know them.

Linc Chaffee was a Senator to the left of most of the D caucus. Yet he had the "R" label, too (his an INDY now, and out of the Senate, having lost to Whitehouse).

When LBJ was majority leader, he could hold the line better than anyone. It depends a lot on the issues and the ability of the leadership, with promises and threats, to bully and whip the assembled multitudes into submission.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:23 PM
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308. Wow, wow, wow
I wish he were here so I could kiss him.

:wow: :wow: :wow:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:36 PM
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311. Welcome to the good side, Arlen!
:woohoo:
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:50 PM
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313. This does three things for us...
If we make the HUGE assumption that eventually Norm Coleman will run out of people who will throw good money after bad supporting The Appeal That Never Ends, Arlen Spector on the Democratic side gives us a filibuster-proof majority--something we've wanted for a very long time.

The second thing it does is encourages the Maine delegation to finally move across the aisle. Both you and I would much prefer Susan Collins (RINO-ME) or Olympia Snowe (RINO-ME) in the Democratic Party than we would have Arlen Spector, and with Spector's move we might get them.

But most important, with enough Democrats in the Senate that we don't have to work with the Republicans (in practice, that means "watching them kick sand in our faces after we give them everything they want") maybe our Democrats will remember they're actually in the majority!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:52 PM
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314. uh...uh...uh...uh...uh
No..that's all I got
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:01 PM
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318. Arlen The Dem
I think there is a really good chance he felt he had to do this to stay in that seat. The key in this meaning much is how he votes.He's already stated that nobody should think he'll now check off on the whole progressive agenda. If he largely votes with the blue dogs we won't gain much by this shift.

Id find a good real democrat to challenge him in the primary if he votes as I think he will.
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Wabbajack_ Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:06 PM
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322. Defeat DINO Specter in the DEMOCRATIC primary!!!!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:34 PM
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335. Agreed. I want EFCA and Spector has been unhelpful. (nt)
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:20 PM
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325. The "filibuster-proof" majority is just silly nonsense
Specter could have voted for cloture on filibusters as a Republican. But, he didn't. The fact that he now calls himself a Democrat doesn't mean that he will automatically vote for cloture. That's just a pipe dream. There is no requirement to vote in lockstep as a Democrat. In fact, quite the opposite. The Democrats welcome people who will stab them in the back -- like Joe Lieberman.

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:21 PM
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327. I fully expected to see that the link was to the Onion. this is some birthday present
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:26 PM
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328. Whaaaaaaaaaat?
April Fools? Is this true? If so, wow.

Even though to be honest, Specter will probably vote the same way, regardless of whether he is a Republican or Democrat.

But wow. Get Franken in there and we have 60 senators? Woohoo! I know we'll have some defectors so it's not as good as it sounds, but still.

Very surprising turn of events. Did anyone suspect this?
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:28 PM
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329. Welcome Arlen Specter (D) Pa.
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 03:29 PM by Wizard777
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Tashca Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:37 PM
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336. Check.....................nt
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:37 PM
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337. Great news!
The republicans must be stewing.
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wundermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:40 PM
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338. Don't trust him... never have...
never will.
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Third Doctor Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:59 PM
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341. Wow
I really enjoy seeing the repubs so upset. My senator (in name only) Shelby, had the nerve to act upset about Spectre's actions when he did the same thin years ago. He swithched to the repubs right after a election.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:03 PM
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345. Wow. They took him for granted for far too long.
He's beaten cancer; he's got no time for playin' shit with the kids.

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:05 PM
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347. How noble of him :eyes:
He's been having these alleged moral crisises with the Repubs ever since 9/11, and he waits until the Dems are firmly in power and he's too moderate to win next year's Repub primary before switching over?


We could have used him when Tim Johnson was out sick.





It's something, I guess. And it will backstop the supermajority in case something happens to Ted Kennedy.



Nice to see the repubs eating their own. They can't maintain the delusion that sucks 40% of the country into voting for making the wealthy and powerful more wealthy and more powerful, so they're being forced to cater to the wild-eyed extremists, religious and otherwise.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:07 PM
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348. lovely - maybe n/t
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:21 PM
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355. and the other moderate repubs?
Do they actually still believe in republican "fiscal responsibility" after 8 years of Bush's failed presidency followed by an economic global disaster?
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keroro gunsou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:23 PM
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357. my letter to specter
ok, admittedly he's not my senator, since i'm from wisconsin, but i still wrote to him to thank him:

senator specter

thank you for remembering that you work for and answer to the voters of your home state and the citizens of our nation, rather than your political party.

it took a lot of courage and good-old fashioned guts to do what you did today, placing people over party is always the best thing to do. the universe never gives us points for doing the easy thing, in fact, it's the tough choices and troubles that we're often remembered for.

thank you for realizing that the "party of lincoln" has degenerated into the party of "what's in it for me?" and acting accordingly. this is a serious time for the nation, and let's face it, we don't have time for sitting around and playing obstructionist games simply based on party. the ship of state isn't sunk, and we need all hands to bail her out.

however, you've got a tough road ahead of you. the republicans will see you as a turncoat, and some democrats will not trust you initially. i for one am willing to give you a shot. you've generally been a straight shooter, honest, and a decent person, so the ball is in your court, do with it as you wish. do the right thing as history will remember you fondly as a true statesman and patriot, who put the country before the party and made it a better place for all, not just the few.

finally, i wish apologize for the beating the pirates got from my hometown team ^_^; still the season is young, and it's anyone's game... just hopefully not the cubs or the yankees...

good luck and enjoy the ride, it's going to be a bumpy one.
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dsharp88 Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:29 PM
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358. This is a GREAT thing - for whatever reason it was done
It means we're winning the PR battle as well.

Perception is 9/10 of the law.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:29 PM
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359. And how many kittens has Mitch McConnell had?
:popcorn:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:14 PM
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387. ROFL nt
nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:43 PM
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363. Are you fucking kidding me?
:wow:

I have TWO Democratic Senators?

This.is.teh.AWESOME!!

My mind is officially blown.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:57 PM
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365. It's just a BS ploy to get reelected, that's all
As WaPo said today:

"Because of the shrinking Republican vote in the state, Specter was seen as a dead man walking politically in the primary with polling showing him trailing Toomey by ten or more points. The bar for Specter to run as an independent was also extremely high due to the rules governing such a third party candidacy.

That left a Democratic candidacy as Specter's best option if he wanted to remain in the Senate beyond 2010."


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/specter-to-switch-parties.html


Dead man walking. And oh my, what a coincidence, after ALL these years he just happens to switch NOW.

Disgustingly hypocritical, especially after just spreading the Repuke talking points (of which I wrote him about):

"If there is evidence of criminality, then the Attorney General has the full authority and should prosecute it. But going after the prior administration sounds like something they do in Latin America in banana republics."


And while this makes him #60 in the senate, he's going to vote his own way as always -- do we REALLY want him?
I almost look upon him as a kind of spy or mole... I just do NOT trust him.



Sorry, but I don't know the HTML here for quotes-in-a-shaded-box.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:58 PM
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383. In some fairness (though I agree that was a good part of his decision), he did have major policy
clashes with the rest of the 'thugs.

That was the most likely reason for that classic Specter pattern: some issue arises, Specter takes an early position that agrees with the majority of Democrats, a few days pass, Specter moderates or changes his position. In all probability he was leaned on behind the scenes and the original position was his true position.
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livefreest Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:08 PM
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368. SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE NOW
:bounce: :party: :toast: :dem: :grouphug: :headbang: :woohoo: :applause:
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:08 PM
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369. He din't hip-hop good enough so Steele told him to beat it!
Specter is not enough of a gangsta and doesn't fit in with the hip-hop republicans.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:16 PM
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370. oh that one is sweet, how about a few more come over.
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:21 PM
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373. Argh! I always say, "I hate when Specter does something good because I hate having to like him..."
And there have been so many times he did things I totally did not like at all. Well, if this is for real, then Arlen, you finally got me. Damn you!
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livefreest Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:55 PM
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392. many votes are coming up and he will have to prove he truly is lovable
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:33 AM
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438. For sure.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:30 PM
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376. Welcome to the Democratic Party Senator Spector!
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:34 PM
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378. Didn't see this till a few minutes ago when my daughter
Twittered me with the news.

Welcome to the real world, Sen. Specter!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:37 PM
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379. THANK YOU MR. SPECTER
WELCOME ABOARD :thumbsup:
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:58 PM
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382. I'd trust him as far as I could throw a Secret Service agent ...
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:02 PM
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384. WELCOME to our party Arlen!!!!!!!!!!
GLAD you're on board!!! :bounce: :applause:
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:02 PM
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385. Two words
"Anita Hill", I wouldn't count on anything with Specter. This is political calculation at its finest. He knows he cant win as a Republican so now he is a Democrat. He referred to the EFCA as "card check", so that might tell you where his head is still at. Don't count on this meaning anything.;
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:20 PM
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389. the right is moving more right, the left is moving more right
I've met Specter several times while I was at Temple in Phila. I always liked that he was accessible but was never comfortable with his politics. He is serious and capable of understanding nuance. But he was always firm defender of the party line. I have heard that Leahy and Specter were the inspiration of the two old politicians that you see on the muppets. I always felt they were perfectly matched in intellectual skills and passion for their work.

But what bothers me is this trend that the democratic party is getting to be just like the conservative movement of the 80's. And the right wing party, well, frankly just like the nazi party. We have given amnesty for torture, amnesty for wall street, amnesty for wire tapping, it goes on and on. But for the regular guy or gal who isn't sucking at the teats of Uncle Sam all day, there is little to offer us by either party.

Wall street is shaping up to take complete control of government. AT&T involved with wiretapping for the government and at the same time is fighting against net neutrality. And we the people? Doing almost nothing. Blogging isn't going to fix this. We have no real leadership in this country. There is a new puppy in the whitehouse and he's cute, but he's not taking the aggressive action that we need to return honor and integrity to government service. No, instead its all about looking ahead and the message is loud and clear that when it comes to the rich, the justice you and I must serve, just doesn't apply.

Now, let's see what Specter says about torture, wire tapping and wall street. These are three enemies of freedom and government for the people. And let's see if my doom and gloom is justified.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:06 PM
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393. This only shows how far to the right the DEMOCRATIC party has come.
If Arlen freakin' Specter can be associated with the Party, just how far to the right has it swung?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:39 PM
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405. Too fuckin far.
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oedura Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:14 PM
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394. I'd like to believe this meant something...
...but in the last interview of Mr. Specter that I heard, when asked about the Bush regime, he was generally as much an apologist as any Repuublican.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:43 PM
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395. I didn't see this coming and though he could still pull through a Repub primary,
but then again, Toomey got close during the primary before. I don't think he will have any trouble in the general now. Gov. Rendell and Pres. Obama have said they will campaign for him and he will have the Democratic party backing him. All in all,a good move on Specter's part and a knife in the back of Richard Mellon Sciafe.
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bronxiteforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:44 PM
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396. kick
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:53 PM
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398. Shrek wouldn't approve
He would say...."Better out than in"


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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:59 PM
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400. Not ONION????
VERY VERY! Just couldn't stand them, eh? or hedging his bets!
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:28 PM
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403. Welcome aboard! n-t
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:41 PM
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406. Thank God! About time! nt
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:18 PM
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420. This is all about his re-election. He can't beat the far right in PA. He will be a DINO.
He said it out loud today. He will vote the way he always has, and THAT gives him the benefit of the doubt that nothing worse is afoot. Reeks of Rove.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:36 AM
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432. He's more like a DRINO
Too liberal for for wingnut Republicans, and too conservative for a lot of Dems.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:31 PM
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426. I was excited at first, and I'm still happy, but reservedly so.
It's an extra vote and gets us closer to 60, and a vote that makes the Repuke Party more marginalized. However, we'll see how he votes, and the no challenger thing is a big concession. With him, there's always the chance that self-preservation is the big factor.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:32 AM
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431. This plus Franken = STFU rethuglian fascists!
WOO HOO!

President Obama and the democratic party controlled Congress now have an historic chance to restore the middle class in the USA.

Mr Obama can make history like FDR did. Please, please, please do something radical about health care. Please pass the bill to make union organizing easier.

America was great when the working class was healthy, these things will help bring it back. US companies that send jobs overseas need to be taxed heavily for each and every job so there's no profit in it for the capitalist traitors.

The thieves of wall street, the banks and brokerages need to be locked down by law. Enough of their cooking the books, stealing peoples money and destroying the economy.

America can once again be a beautiful land not just for the rich but for us all! Please President Obama, be OUR FDR and transform this country!!
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:47 AM
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433. I second that emotion!
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:54 AM
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435. No matter his agenda, he always strikes me as someone
who is a gentleman, and a civilized man. 

Welcome to the party, sir.

smiles,
d
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InfiniteThoughts Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:09 AM
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442. welcome cloture ... bye bye filibuster ....
may be this is karma working against the republicans ...

next senate target - Al Franken seated in the senate ...
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:19 AM
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443. Wow Indeed. Specter ? , Specter ?, You mean the ...
Specter who voted with Bush 76% of the time ?

You mean the Specter who earned only a 27% rating from the League of Conservation Voters ?

The Specter who stated that he would vote Against the Employee Free Choice Act ?

The Specter who was a Democrat before he was a Republican ?

You mean the same Arlen Specter of whom the spineless Harry Reid said....
"Policy stances did not come up during his negotiations" ?

The Specter who would have been beaten like a rented mule by retired Navy admiral Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.)Even IF he got by the far Right Wingnut Club for Growth Toomey ?

You mean that Arlen Specter ?

Sorry, Thanks but no thanks !

We need Real Democrats in the Senate, Not more Lieberman Liberals,DINO'S and Corporatist

Tell him to please go fuck himself !
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:01 AM
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446. Spector is saying that he is becoming a Democrat because he cannot win the primary. He is also
saying that he will vote against EFCA. He is also saying that he is not an automatic Democratic vote for cloture. It's one thing to say that he will not always vote with the Democratic leadership on an issue if and when it comes to a vote. However, to say that he will continue to help Republicans obstruct the taking of a vote? This is less than a DINO, IMO.

As far as I can see, he has always been self-serving and is being self-serving now. I see no reason to rejoice.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:24 AM
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448. Great! Another DINO to move the party farther to the right!!
It's hard to contain my excitement!

:puke:
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:51 AM
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450. for me, having watched Specter over 40 years, it's almost
a BFD.... another blue dog Dem... somewhat useful, at other times a hindrance.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:31 AM
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453. And what remains of the GOP
contracts St. Vitus Dance.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:40 AM
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458. I'm here to Kill This Thread
Somebody has to.
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hangman86 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:48 AM
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459. Sit back, relax, and watch the once mighty Elephant die
:popcorn:
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:53 PM
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461. He was a Democrat before he was a Republican.
He switched parties solely for the chance of getting reelected. Don't be surprised if he votes against us on some key issues.
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RedstDem Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:56 PM
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462. "R" or "D" After his name..
Makes little difference, he's a D-bag either way....

This sux. he should face the music and lose his primary instead of pretending to be one of us..
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