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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 03:20 PM
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US to limit Guantanamo releases
Source: BBC

Between 50 and 100 detainees held by the US at Guantanamo Bay cannot be released or put on trial, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has said.

The fate of those detainees "is still open", Mr Gates told members of the Senate Appropriations Committee.
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"The question is what do we do with the 50 to 100 - probably in that ballpark - who we cannot release and cannot try," Mr Gates told the committee.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8027547.stm
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 03:26 PM
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1. WTF
There should be absolutely no legal reason why they can't be either put on trial or released. Do one or the other. There should be no third option.

:grr:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 03:26 PM
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2. Let me guess... they were innocent when we found them, but NOW they're terrorists?
Or vegetables?

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 03:29 PM
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3. Fuck that! Fuck that! FUCK THAT!
And fuck Gates and anyone who goes along with him on this.

ANYONE
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 03:32 PM
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4. This makes a mockery of our pretense to be a nation of laws.
How can this kind of limbo be justice? Apparently they have no right to life even though they are still breathing.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 07:54 PM
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7. there's a name for that:
slavery. Not allowed to live freely, but haven't committed any crimes to be tried for. To live in fear and constantly be at the mercy of your owners/captors. I'm pretty sure that that's illegal in the US, isn't? I think I learned something about that in school or somethin'.
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hugo_from_TN Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 10:06 AM
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10. Devils Advocate question
Suppose it is WWII and you have a German soldier. You can't try him because he hasn't broken any US laws. You certainly can't release him in the U.S. You can't send him to Germany because you are at war with Germany and he will go back to the war against you.

Does that make a mockery of the U.S. being a nation of laws?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 10:17 AM
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12. that question is the essence of this entire matter....
The answer is that you detain him as a prisoner of war under the Geneva conventions. That means you treat him humanely, give him access to international monitors, e.g. the Red Cross or the United Nations, and repatriate him when hostilities have ended. Unless accused of war crimes, prisoners of war are not subject to the criminal justice system, nor is their confinement "punishment." It's meant solely to remove them from combat until hostilities have ceased.

If prisoners of war can show that they were mistakenly captured, that they were not involved in hostilities, then it's the responsibility of the detaining party to repatriate them if possible. In any event, their detention must not include torture, denying access to medical care, summary execution, etc.

The U.S. has refused to acknowledge the Guantanamo detainees rights as prisoners of war. That is the crux of this issue, IMO. As a nation of laws, we must either acknowledge those rights or place the detainees into the criminal justice system, where they have other rights. They're being unilaterally declared criminals without trial. That violates some of the most important principles this country stands for.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 07:29 PM
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5. One wee tiny question...
Why can't we try them??????????
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:19 AM
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8. cuz they are innocent?
.
.
.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:55 AM
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9. prolly cuz we tortured em
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 10:19 AM
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13. Gates is speaking out of turn. It's not up to him. n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 07:52 PM
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6. WTFN?
That's bullshit
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raebrek Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 10:17 AM
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11. So the bottom line is
Edited on Fri May-01-09 10:18 AM by raebrek
We can't try them because we have determined that they didn't do anything wrong and we can't release them because their own countries won't take them back. Is that what I am hearing?

Raebrek!!!
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