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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 12:04 PM
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U.S. soldiers, attacked, kill a 12-year-old Iraqi boy
Source: mcclatchy

MOSUL, Iraq — American soldiers opened fire and killed a 12-year old boy after a grenade hit their convoy in Mosul on Thursday.

The boy was found with ten thousand Iraqi dinars in his hand - worth less than $9. U.S. officials said the money is evidence of a disturbing new trend.

"We have every reason to believe that insurgents are paying children to conduct these attacks or assist the attackers in some capacity, undoubtedly placing the children in harm's way," a U. S. military spokesman wrote in an email on Saturday.

But eyewitnesses said the boy, identified as Omar Musa Salih, was standing by the side of the road selling fruit juice - a common practice in Iraq -- and had nothing to do with the attack.

A friend, Ahmed Jassim, 15, said he was selling cans of Pepsi nearby when he heard the grenade explode. He dove behind a parked car, then heard the roar of machine gun fire. "When the shooting was over and the patrol went away, I stood and I saw Omar on the ground covered with blood," Jassim said.

Read more: http://www.thestate.com/166/story/782734.html
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 05:17 PM
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1. But eyewitnesses said the boy, ..., was standing by the side of the road selling fruit juice ...
You know, you really can't get any lower than this sort of smear of innocent people you have just killed.
:puke:
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 02:48 AM
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2. Chris Floyd on this: "damned as a terrorist" because he held $9 from his fruit stand
.......Last Thursday, American occupation troops rolling through the city were attacked by a grenade. In response, they shot a killed a 12-year-old boy, Omar Musa Salih, who was standing on the roadside selling fruit juice. Although eyewitnesses on the scene said the boy had not thrown the grenade -- they had seen, with their own eyes, an older man lobbing it toward the Americans -- President Obama's Pentagon insisted that the dead boy was an "insurgent" who deserved to die. Their proof? He had a handful of Iraqi dinars -- less than $9 -- in his hand when they inspected his corpse. So that means he was in the pay of terrorists, you see.

"We have every reason to believe that insurgents are paying children to conduct these attacks or assist the attackers in some capacity, undoubtedly placing the children in harm's way," a faceless "U.S. military spokesman" told McClatchy, in an email. Smearing the victim: a dead child -- oh, how noble, how civilized, how redolent of honor! You can certainly understand why no one would want to attach their face or name -- or even their voice -- to such a depraved, shameless and cowardly apologia.

For as McClatchy notes, there is no evidence whatsoever that young Omar was involved in the attack; quite the contrary, in fact:

....eyewitnesses said the boy, identified as Omar Musa Salih, was standing by the side of the road selling fruit juice - a common practice in Iraq -- and had nothing to do with the attack.

A friend, Ahmed Jassim, 15, said he was selling cans of Pepsi nearby when he heard the grenade explode. He dove behind a parked car, then heard the roar of machine gun fire. "When the shooting was over and the patrol went away, I stood and I saw Omar on the ground covered with blood," Jassim said.

Another witness, Ahmed IzAldeen, 56, said he saw the person who threw the grenade. It wasn't the boy, but a man in his twenties, he said. IzAldeen said he saw the man standing behind a truck holding the grenade as the American patrol approached....

"When attacked, the Americans just open fire, whether on the gunman or just randomly," said Usama Al Nujaifi, a member of Parliament from Mosul. "The American presence in the cities is wrong, we urged them to stay outside from the beginning."

American combat forces are supposed to pull out of all cities by June 30 under an agreement signed last year that hands security over to Iraqi forces. But the two sides have discussed pushing back the deadline, especially in the most violent cities, such as Mosul.



Oh yes, these "deadlines" will doubtless prove to be infinitely flexible, easily extended; after all, President Obama has consistently reiterated his determination to be guided by the advice of his military officials and by "the facts on the ground" in implementing his scheme to remove some American troops from Iraq while leaving tens of thousands behind: a process of streamlined occupation that for some reason is called a "withdrawal."

But the lives of children are not so flexible, not so extendable. Omar Salih will not get up again. "Friends of the Salih family said he was the oldest of 6 children," McClatchy writes. "He quit school in the first grade, when he was six or seven years old. He was well-known in the Ras Al-Jadda neighborhood, where the attack took place."

He quit school at six or seven; that is, in 2003 or 2004, in the midst or in the aftermath of the American invasion. His life was spent on the street, trying to earn a pittance for his family. And now he is damned as a terrorist by the most powerful, most "advanced" nation in the world -- because he had a few strips of colored paper in his hand when he was gunned down at his fruit stand.
http://www.chris-floyd.com/
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:23 AM
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3. Meanwhile, the rest of the world has a different view ...
> "We have every reason to believe that insurgents are paying children
> to conduct these attacks or assist the attackers in some capacity,
> undoubtedly placing the children in harm's way," a U. S. military
> spokesman wrote in an email on Saturday.

We have every reason to believe that American soldiers are killing
innocent civilians and using cowards in the administration to cover
up the majority of their crimes.

> But eyewitnesses said the boy, identified as Omar Musa Salih, was
> standing by the side of the road selling fruit juice - a common
> practice in Iraq -- and had nothing to do with the attack.

One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic. Nice going soldier.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:15 AM
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4. Truth is, we don't know the truth of what happened.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:23 AM
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5. Truth is, we have no justification for being there...
It was wrong from day one, and it's still wrong.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 01:54 PM
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9. Could not agree more, but that is a different issue.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:04 AM
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7. Truth is, we do know what happened.
The article includes interviews with two eye-witnesses, one of whom was the kid's friend who was also selling Pepsi nearby. They say he was selling fruit juice. The older eye-witness say the man who threw the grenade before and after.

The other side comes from a military spokesman (i.e. propagandist) who wasn't even there.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 01:58 PM
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10. We disagree. Witnesses can lie. So can military. We don't know and we probably will never know.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:47 PM
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11. Well, heck, let's look at motive then.
What possible motive could the eye-witnesses have to lie.

What possible motive would the military have to lie.

Hmmmm.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 03:44 AM
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14. Okay. Witnesses in Iraq have incentive to lie because
they are not in love with us. Additionally, they may be employed by Al Qaida and/or in deathly fear of Al Qaida. For all we know, both witnesses might even be members of Al Qaida. Or simply ethnocentric.

For all we know, the alleged eyewitnesses, while in the vicinity, were not even looking in the right direction when the incident--whatever it consisted of--occurred. Moreover, studies in criminal cases have shown that the testimony of eyewitnesses, even eyewitnesses who are trying their utmost to be honest and accurate, is not all that reliable under the best of circumstances. So the lie does not even have to be intentional. Unintentional errors don't involve motive.

What incentive does our military have to kill a kid do nothing more than selling fruit juice? Price gouging? Sure, it could have been a mistake. However, to admit that possiblity without also admitting that the eyewitnesses can't possibly be mistaken or lying is more than a tad one-sided.

Based on this alone, we don't know what happened. Maybe our troops made a mistake. Maybe they saw something that the eyewitnesses didn't see or lied about or were mistaken about. That is really the most honest and accurate thing that can be said about this story.



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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 09:45 AM
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15. The truth is, a 12-year old boy is dead.
There is no truth but that, and the fact that soldiers did it in our name.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:37 AM
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6. Already posted
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:55 AM
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8. Riding in a Humvee when a Granade comes flying at you
Can't say I am surprised that the kids in the Humvee, or whatever other vehical, sent alot of steel downrange in the direction of where the grenade came from. We don't train soldiers to stand/sit there and face death without returning fire because the shot/target is not clear or identified. Thet is what law enforcement is supposed to be trained for. Armys break things and kill people, cops maintain law and order. Mixing the personnel and the missions is a recipie for problems.
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Old Hob Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:56 PM
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12. yeah, I remember when they first started training us grunts to be globo-cops
it was very difficult to break our habit of shooting everything in front of us and it quickly became evident that infantry soldiers make better infantry soldiers than police officers and vice versa.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 04:09 PM
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13. Reuters: Iraqi police say the boy was not involved in the grenade-throwing
U.S. forces shoot Iraqi boy dead after grenade attack
Sat May 9, 2009 9:12pm BST

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The U.S. military said on Saturday its troops had shot dead a 12-year-old Iraqi boy suspected of throwing a grenade at them, and said it believed insurgents were paying children to help them.
Iraqi police, speaking on condition of anonymity, said however the boy, whom they named as Omar Moussa Salih, had not been involved in the grenade-throwing.

U.S. and Iraqi forces came under grenade attack Thursday in the western part of Mosul, the northern city seen as a final stronghold of al Qaeda and other insurgents, said Major Derrick Cheng, a U.S. spokesman in northern Iraq.
U.S. forces responded by firing at several people, killing the boy. He was found with 10,000 Iraqi dinars, or around $8.50, in his hand.

"We have every reason to believe that insurgents are paying children to conduct these attacks or assist the attackers in some capacity, but undoubtedly placing the children in harm's way," Cheng said.
Iraqi police in Mosul said the boy, who had sold sweets in the street, was shot more than once in the head. His eight-year-old brother ran away when Omar was shot, police said.

Cheng said another boy was briefly detained but released.

.............

Two weeks ago a U.S. raid in southern Iraq triggered a storm of condemnation from the Iraqi government, which demanded that U.S. soldiers be tried for the killings of "innocent citizens."
....
http://uk.reuters.com/article/gc05/idUKTRE5481ZQ20090509
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