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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:37 AM
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FBI chief: Don't send Gitmo detainees to US
Source: MSNBC

Mueller says prisoners could radicalize others at high-security prisons

WASHINGTON - Director Robert Mueller said Wednesday that he was concerned that Guantanamo Bay detainees could support terrorism and even radicalize other inmates in high-security prisons if sent to the United States.

During an appearance before the House Judiciary Committee, Mueller did not discuss specifics but said he was generally concerned about whether such individuals might provide financial support to terror networks, radicalize others, or even take part in attacks within the United States.

Mueller's statements come a day after a federal judge ruled that the United States can continue to hold some prisoners in military detention indefinitely without any charges.

U.S. District Judge John Bates' opinion issued Tuesday night limited the Obama administration's definition of who can be held. But he said Congress in the days after Sept. 11, 2001 gave the president the authority to hold anyone involved in planning, aiding or carrying out the terrorist attacks.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30846430/
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:41 AM
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1. And Democrats fail to stand behind Obama on this
He's left being the only one holding the close Gitmo Flag. But they are quick to bitch about it.
I'm beginning to wonder if Democrats ever really cared about the Prison there, just wanted to use it to hit Bush about.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:47 AM
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2. I think they should all be sent to Dallas
to live with Mr. Chimp Chump and he can feed them and clothe them.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:42 PM
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10. Plus, his house might be big enough.
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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:51 AM
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3. So when did he raise a fuzz about Padilla and the.......................
Terrorists bombers that are at this time incarcerated in the Super Max prison in Illinois?
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:58 PM
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11. Padilla only bombs what he's told to...
Only bombs what he's told to by George HW Bush and his CIA that is. And it is still George HW Bush's CIA. We're just not supposed to know that.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 11:02 AM
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4. K&R
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 11:13 AM
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5. So we're holding
people in prison w/ no charges, fabricated evidence and little to no representation for over 5 years and they're supposed to be able to provide financial support to terror networks....how? Were they allowed to bring their checkbooks & credit cards w/ them?
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:05 PM
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6. it's a jurisdiction issue.
if they are transferred to the states they will be afforded the same rights as anyone else. this, apparently, is something they are terribly afraid of. you know, being confronted with the evidence against you, the right to face your accuser, etc.

this is the whole point of guantanamo's existence. it's the "anything goes" resort of prisons.

too many skeletons to protect.



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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:27 PM
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16. Which is a misapprehension in the first place - they would NOT
be transferred to the 'states' - they'd be transferred to federal facilities within the states. Still in federal custody. Like as not in super-max facilities, where they be on 23hr lockdown, and get 1 hr a day alone walking in a courtyard IF they behave themselves. There is no way they'd be able to 'infect' the prison population.

I think you're right - the REAL fear is of them getting independent legal representation.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:33 PM
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17. more often than not they end up in solitary in
those types of super max facilities anyways, right?

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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:11 PM
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7. All this makes me sick
Most of these "terrorist" are not "terrorist". Mueller needs to be tortured to find out what he knows and when he knew it.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:16 PM
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8. So now terrorism is a virus like swine flu and we need to quarantine the infected?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:21 PM
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9. Or it could go the other way and the general prison population
could just go after them the way they do child molesters and cops...or has Mueller ever heard of solitary confinement?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:07 PM
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12. Absurd and disgusting statement from Mueller n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:16 PM
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13. Transparently self serving much, Mueller?
Edited on Wed May-20-09 01:17 PM by EFerrari
Makes you wonder if the people who warn the most about releasing these men are the ones who have most to fear from prosecution.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:23 PM
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14. Midway Island in the Pacific Ocean ??? Johnston Island?
Kwajalin Island?

Poipu Resort on Kauai?

Iceland??
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:43 PM
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19. Navassa is closer n/t
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:45 PM
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21. They would fuck the goats and ruin the Island....
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:07 PM
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15. WTF?
"..individuals might provide financial support to terror networks, radicalize others, or even take part in attacks within the United States."

what save up their canteen money and smuggle it out?
Convince other American prisoners to join them (with no payout) in taking down their own country, in whatever broken English they know?
and use the power of Allah to astral travel out of their bodies to set bombs?

Is this House Judiciary Committee even questioning him on these ridiculous allegations?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:42 PM
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18. Court actually ruled that President has the authority to hold non-terrorists indefinitely
Edited on Wed May-20-09 02:45 PM by Better Believe It
"the president the authority to hold anyone involved in planning, aiding or carrying out the terrorist attacks."

The hanging judge apparently didn't require President Obama to prove before the courts that those being held have in fact been guilty of "planning, aiding or carryout out the (the??? which one, 9/11?) terrorist attacks", therefore, this ruling actually gives the President the unlimited right to hold anyone as a prisoner for any fricken reason or none!

All President Obama's spy heads like FBI Director Mueller have to do is repeat the big lie over and over and over again that all the people held captive are terrorists!

And of course the Democratic and Republican Senators in a remarkable display of right-wing bi-partisanship repeat the big lie by claiming all these terrorists will spread the ideology and build powerful terrorist networks while being held in new high tech maximum security prisons under conditions of solitary confinement. What nonsense!

Has anyone seen just how secure these new high tech prisons are? You can't pee or snore without big brother watching and listening to you 24/7. The authorities have absolute and total control over the inmates. They make the old Attica and Alcatraz installations seem like open air resorts with "people friendly" guards.

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:53 PM
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20. How did this wuss get to be head of the FBI?
Wow, I've seen lily-livered cowards in my day, but this has to take the cake for public displays of Nervous-Nellyism. Mueller is apparently not even aware of what a craven little scaredy-cat he looks like by saying this. Maybe if I hollered "Boo!" really loud, he'd actually wet his pants?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:33 PM
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22. Bush appointed him in 2001
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:35 PM
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23. Not only that, they would have human rights here.
And who knows what evil that could lead to?
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