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Old Coot Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:26 PM
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5 Ala. officers fired for beating caught on tape
Source: Associated Press

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – Five Birmingham police officers were fired Wednesday for beating an unconscious suspect ejected from a car after a chase, an attack captured on a patrol car videotape that didn't surface publicly for a year. Police Chief A.C. Roper said the officers, who were not identified, were seasoned veterans but acted in a "shameful" manner.

The video shows police pursuing Anthony Warren's van on Jan. 23, 2008. One officer on foot was hurt when the van swerved through traffic. It overturned on a ramp, ejecting Warren, who lay motionless as officers ran toward him. The video shows them beating him with their fists, feet and a billy club.

An attorney representing Warren in a civil case said he was hospitalized after the chase and didn't realize he'd been beaten until a prosecutor preparing for his trial requested the tape, saw the attack and told the defense about it.

Roper said the department had "terminated 50 years of combined service due to 10 seconds of injustice."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090520/ap_on_re_us/us_police_beating_video;_ylt=ArahMWQgRO.mVSToTQjJ.dBI2ocA
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billac Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:30 PM
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1. POLICE, n. An armed force for protection and participation.
"And all the cops are criminals", Mick J.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:32 PM
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3. Welcome to DU------you'll have a lot of fun here.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:03 PM
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9. 'welcome'

wow, someone new - glad to have you here as well
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:31 PM
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2. Damn cell phones.
:-)
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:55 PM
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8. the video came from a camera mounted on a patrol car
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:31 PM
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10. That makes the officers even stupider, right? nt
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pkdu Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:33 PM
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4. How did I know he was black before seeing the pic?
Lucky Guess?
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:54 PM
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6. the mayor and police chief are also black
As are two of the five former officers.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 07:46 AM
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17. However most of the criminals are --well you know
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 07:45 AM
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16. Birmingham ---? well Lucky guess
No you have ESP
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:41 PM
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5. Say it with me: "Just a few bad apples!"
:thumbsdown:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:54 PM
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:37 PM
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11. Orlov doesn't suffer under too many illusions. Some very wry and telling
descriptions.

(snip)

And so we come to the subject of security. Post-collapse Russia suffered from a serious crime wave. Ethnic mafias ran rampant, veterans who served in Afghanistan went into business for themselves, there were numerous contract killings, muggings, murders went unsolved left and right, and, in general, the place just wasn’t safe. Russians living in the US would hear that I am heading back there for a visit, and would give me a wide-eyed stare: how could I think of doing such a thing. I came through unscathed, somehow. I made a lot of interesting observations along the way.

One interesting observation is that once collapse occurs it becomes possible to rent a policeman, either for a special occasion, or generally just to follow someone around. It is even possible to hire a soldier or two, armed with AK-47s, to help you run various errands. Not only is it possible to do such things, it’s often a very good idea, especially if you happen to have something valuable that you don’t want to part with. If you can’t afford their services, then you should try to be friends with them, and to be helpful to them in various ways. Although their demands might seem exorbitant at times, it is still a good idea to do all you can to keep them on your side. For instance, they might at some point insist that you and your family move out to the garage so that they can live in your house. This may be upsetting at first, but then is it really such a good idea for you to live in a big house all by yourselves, with so many armed men running around. It may make sense to station some of them right in your house, so that they have a base of operations from which to maintain a watch and patrol the neighborhood.

A couple of years ago I half-jokingly proposed a political solution to collapse mitigation, and formulated a platform for the so-called Collapse Party. I published it with the caveat that I didn’t think there was much of a chance of my proposals becoming part of the national agenda. Much to my surprise, I turned out to be wrong. For instance, I proposed that we stop making new cars, and, lo and behold, the auto industry shuts down. I also proposed that we start granting amnesties to prisoners, because the US has the world’s largest prison population, and will not be able to afford to keep so many people locked up. It is better to release prisoners gradually, over time, rather than in a single large general amnesty, the way Saddam Hussein did it right before the US invaded. And, lo and behold, many states are starting to implement my proposal. It looks like California in particular will be forced to release some 60 thousand of the 170 thousand people it keeps locked up. That is a good start. I also proposed that we dismantle all overseas military bases (there are over a thousand of them) and repatriate all the troops. And it looks like that is starting to happen as well, except for the currently planned little side-trip to Afghanistan. I also proposed a Biblical jubilee – forgiveness of all debts, public and private. Let’s give that one… half a decade?

But if we look just at the changes that are already occurring, just the simple, predictable lack of funds, as the federal government and the state governments all go broke, will transform American society in rather predictable ways. As municipalities run out of money, police protection will evaporate. But the police still have to eat, and will find ways to use their skills to good use on a freelance basis. Similarly, as military bases around the world are shut down, soldiers will return to a country that will be unable to reintegrate them into civilian life. Paroled prisoners will find themselves in much the same predicament.

And so we will have former soldiers, former police, and former prisoners: a big happy family, with a few bad apples and some violent tendencies. The end result will be a country awash with various categories of armed men, most of them unemployed, and many of them borderline psychotic. The police in the United States are a troubled group. Many of them lose all touch with people who are not "on the force" and most of them develop an us-versus-them mentality. The soldiers returning from a tour of duty often suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. The paroled prisoners suffer from a variety of psychological ailments as well. All of them will sooner or later realize that their problems are not medical but rather political. This will make it impossible for society to continue to exercise control over them. All of them will be making good use of their weapons training and other professional skills to acquire whatever they need to survive. And the really important point to remember is that they will do these things whether or not anyone thinks it legal for them to do be doing them.

I said it before and I will say it again: very few things are good or bad per se; everything has to be considered within a context. And, in a post-collapse context, not having to worry whether or not something is legal may be a very good thing. In the midst of a collapse, we will not have time to deliberate, legislate, interpret, set precedents and so on. Having to worry about pleasing a complex and expensive legal system is the last thing we should have to worry about.

Some legal impediments are really small and trivial, but they can be quite annoying nevertheless. A homeowners’ association might, say, want give you a ticket or seek a court order against you for not mowing your lawn, or for keeping livestock in your garage, or for that nice windmill you erected on a hill that you don’t own, without first getting a building permit, or some municipal busy-body might try to get you arrested for demolishing a certain derelict bridge because it was interfering with boat traffic – you know, little things like that. Well, if the association is aware that you have a large number of well armed, mentally unstable friends, some of whom still wear military and police uniforms, for old time’s sake, then they probably won’t give you that ticket or seek that court order.

Or suppose you have a great new invention that you want to make and distribute, a new agricultural implement. It's a sort of flail studded with sharp blades. It has a hundred and one uses and is highly cost-effective, and reasonably safe provided you don’t lose your head while using it, although people have taken to calling the “flying guillotine.” You think that this is an acceptable risk, but you are concerned about the issues of consumer safety and liability insurance and possibly even criminal liability. Once again, it is very helpful to have a large number of influential, physically impressive, mildly psychotic friends who, whenever some legal matter comes up, can just can go and see the lawyers, have a friendly chat, demonstrate the proper use of the flying guillotine, and generally do whatever they have to do to settle the matter amicably, without any money changing hands, and without signing any legal documents.

Or, say, the government starts being difficult about moving things and people in and out of the country, or it wants to take too much of a cut from commercial transactions. Or perhaps your state or your town decides to conduct its own foreign policy, and the federal government sees it fit to interfere. Then it may turn out to be a good thing if someone else has the firepower to bring the government, or what remains of it, to its senses, and convince it to be reasonable and to play nice.

Or perhaps you want to start a community health clinic, so that you can provide some relief to people who wouldn’t otherwise have any health care. You don’t dare call yourself a doctor, because these people are suspicious of doctors, because doctors were always trying to rob them of their life’s savings. But suppose you have some medical training that you got in, say, Cuba, and you are quite able to handle a Caesarean or an appendectomy, to suture wounds, to treat infections, to set bones and so on. You also want to be able to distribute opiates that your friends in Afghanistan periodically send you, to ease the pain of hard post-collapse life. Well, going through the various licensing boards and getting the certifications and the permits and the malpractice insurance is all completely unnecessary, provided you can surround yourself with a lot of well-armed, well-trained, mentally unstable friends."

It's from his February 2009 (cluborlov.com) blog.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:46 PM
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12. the victim never knew he was beaten until he saw the video. wow.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:52 PM
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13. Should have been prosicuted assault.
Authorities believe numerous Birmingham officers and as many as a half-dozen supervisors saw the video over the past year, but none reported it. Accessories?

Seclusion and Restraints_The precedent is set!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=314154&mesg_id=314154
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 07:20 AM
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14. US police fired over beating film...includes video
Source: BBC News

Five US police officers in Birmingham, Alabama have been fired for beating an unconscious suspect who had crashed his car in a police pursuit.

The attack on Anthony Warren took place in January 2008, but police video footage has only just been made public.

It was uncovered in March by prosecutors preparing a case against Warren for assaulting an officer, for which he was later convicted.

Officials said other officers had seen the video but never reported it.

The video was captured on 23 January 2008 by a camera mounted on a police car dashboard.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8060943.stm
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 07:20 AM
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15. K&R They should have been charged with assault. n/t
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