Carradine's family wants FBI to investigate death

Source: Associated Press

BANGKOK (AP) — The family of American actor David Carradine has asked the FBI to help investigate his death after his body was found in a hotel closet in Thailand's capital with a rope tied to his neck, wrist and genitals.

Hotel surveillance footage indicated no one entered Carradine's room before he died, the policeman leading the death investigation said Saturday.

Carradine's body was reportedly flown out of Bangkok in the morning, bound for Los Angeles.

His family does not believe he committed suicide and is troubled by conflicting accounts about the circumstances of his death, Mark Geragos, an attorney for brother Keith Carradine, told CNN's Larry King late Friday.

"They want an investigation," Geragos said. "I would think that the people in Bangkok would want to support an investigation and allow the FBI to go over there and assist in the investigation so we can get the answers to the questions."


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Maybe they could use a vacation.

at face value. Something more than depression and/or mistakes by Bangkok hookers MAY BE at play. If I were a family member of the deceased, I would want to know "the truth" no matter where it may lead. :shrug:

"Col. Somprasong Yenthuam, who is heading the investigation, said police have interviewed all staff at the hotel where Carradine was staying and reviewed surveillance footage outside his room. Based on that, they have found no evidence that anyone was in Carradine's room before he died which they said all but ruled out foul play."

It just sounds like hanky-panky gone wrong to me.

As for the ropes- could they have been put together that way by Carradine, or would that have been impossible?

the widow, his former wives, or his three children, only the one brother.

Since I read about incest and his refusal to participate in any process for closure, my attitude is very different than it was when I first learned of his death.

Apparently Wife #4 was a Canadian starlet that tried to hitch her rising star to his falling star. If you read the entire complaint you'll see that a lot of it concerns marrying a member of a legendary acting family not opening doors for her in Hollywood. In fact it had them slammed in her face. Boy was she pissed when she figured out she couldn't marry her way into a lucrative acting career in Hollywood. Part of her complaint is that in Hollywood she had to start from scratch. If it is ruled a homicide. Wife #4 should be Suspect #1. Because that filing sets the stage, so to speak, for his death to be written off as a AEA accident. Vengeance is a dish best served cold.

fines to parties and their attorneys for filing a frivolous document with a court. And, Carradine had an opportunity to deny or refute the claims. So, I would not discount something entirely simply because it was filed with a court in a divorce, nor would I send anyone to jail on that basis. I said only that my attitude has changed, and it has.

As far as the sworn statement having been made to set the stage for murder years later, anyone with that kind of foresight, skills and imaginiation probably wouldn't have needed anyone to pave her way in Hollywood in the first place.

If fact if Furhman's Perjury wasn't proven with the entire country watching. More than likely he wouldn't have been charged with it either.

It's a simple dodge if they get caught. Say the lawyer accused him and Kieth of incest. Saying they participated in a sexual act together. It turns out they bookended a Ho. So they would have participated in a sexual act together. But not with each other. So it's not incest. The lawyer claim confusion of the meaning of incest and withdraws his MISTAKE from the complaint. No perjury. But if it's not disproved. Major damage done. Many lawyers would see it as worth the risk.

what would perjury have to do with the lawyer? Both client and lawyer can be fined for filing something frivolous with the court, but that is separate from prosecution for perjury.

I heartily disagree that a lawyer would consider lying to a court "worth it." A client can be prosecuted for perjury. (Regardless of how rarely it occurs, it is still possible and Furhman was not the only one ever prosecuted for perjury.) However, a lawyer can be disbarred. That's a specialized education and career down the tubes. What would the lawyer get from deceiving a court that would make that risk worth it to the lawyer?

BTW, do you have a link to the information you are giving? Because what I saw had "family member" in quotes.


As far as it being incest or not, "incest" is sexual activity between close family members. I cannot think of any reason for two brothers to be naked in bed together, sharing a sexual partner, unless that somehow increases the sexual pleasure. I don't think members of a menage a trois could honestly say they had not engaged in sexual activity with the other members. They may say that they had not engaged in sexual intercourse with one or both of the others, but I doubt they would not consider themselves fudging (no pun intended) to some degree if they said no sexual activity. And it isn;t as though you can avoid touching one of the three, unless you are simply taking turns or have a choreographer directing the deal.

Maybe that is not close enough for a court case, but it's close enough for me.

Or is the whole bit about Keith and the menage just a hypothetical that you made up? If so, I prefer not to to debate stuff that posters are just making up. (Either that, or I'll just make up that he respeatedly raped his son and two daughters, and all his siblings. I mean, if we're dealing in made up stuff, why only very one-sided stuff?)

And, there was the matter of refusing to participate in a process that the "family member" felt was necessary for closure, which, to me, is quite serious, regardless of what did or did not happen originally.

I know a guy that divorced his wife for adultery. Her lawyer countered that with a claim of child sexual abuse. The guy was a good enough father to change his daughters diapers. Unfortunately he couldn't find a way to clean her gentiles without touching them. The lawyer turned that into a claim of sexual abuse in an attempt to prejudice the court against awarding him custody of the children. It was proved she lied in her deposition. Nothing happened to her or her lawyer. They lie because they can get away with it. We now have the DOJ bending over back wards to protect lawyers from crimes that should have them jailed and disbarred. So now even the DOJ labors under the pretense that lying and twisting the law is part of a lawyers job. So Once again they lie because they know they can get away with it. Even when you catch them red handed lying. They still have a lot of wiggle room. There are honorable divorce lawyer that conduct their business with integrity. They rest are slimy lil worms.

As for a link. I though it was clear. But let me make it perfectly clear. That is just supposition of how a claim of incest could arise from something that is not incest. Bothers, Sisters, or even cousins having sex with the same partner at the same time is not incest. They would have to be having sex with each other for it to be incest. Not having sex with someone else. That situation presents a fine line. But the line is not crossed.

I think, who are old enough to voice concerns.

I believe the affidavit by the former wife. Per Smoking Gun, she has affirmed her allegations in the lawsuit, and it didn't say he'd denied those allegations.

No one but his one brother seems to be involved, yet AP is referring to "family, which seems to be AP overstating things. That was my point. Maybe I'm not understanding your post?

joined in the concerns, but Keith is the spokesman. That is only an assumption, though.

spokesperson. Keith's attorney is the only one mentioned in the AP story, yet they are saying the "family" wants this. It's odd.

Don't be so quick believe everything you read on the internet especially the first week it comes out. He was an actor and an artist and never tried to maintain a squeaky clean reputation.

I thought he was a good actor and an interesting person but on the other hand I sure wouldn't want to marry him but I hope that there is an official inquiry because of the location and odd circumstances of his death for the families sake and if nothing else to keep the speculation in check.

into the country to conduct a parallel investigation of an incident.

Still, I bet the FBI would be allowed to do it, since Thailand gets a lot of $$$ from American tourists and business.

there are a number of markers. A common way to do it is to wrap a rope around the neck and then the hands (thus the tied hands) so that pressure can be controlled and, the fantasy is, released automatically if the participant really does pass completely out. I don't know why the rope aroun the genitals, but people are creative.

Sadly, I had a dear friend die this way when I was in my 20's, and the description was almost exactly the same, including the incredulity and desire to find a culprit though no evidence of one was found. My friend was a dear, wonderful, amazing man and I make no moral judgments about his way of getting off, nor do I about David Carradine, whom I really, really liked, but people, it's Russian Roulette. Never, never, never believe you can control something like that.

esp if you are only partially conscious, can be difficult to get them free, instead you pull them tighter.

The worst thing, aside from having a loved one die, is the puritanical smirks at "omg, sex in an atypical way" stuff.

Best to not put rope around your neck if you are playing alone. RIP grasshopper and nolabear's friend

I was curious about this uncommon act, not knowing if it was previously practiced or if this was new. Sorry for the loss of a friend.

I'm wondering if a hooker was involved. Not that she killed him. But that things went wrong, and she split in a hurry. That would explain why no indications of a fight.

The asphyxiation thing IS the sort of kinky thing that a hooker in a needy country would do. Easier to find one there to do that than in America, I would think.

But I'm a woman, and I've never paid for sex, so all I know is what I've seen in documentaries and movies.

And don't forget that the auto-asphyxiation thing has been used as a MURDER defense more than a few times. The girl gets strangled, and the guy says they were doing the kinky thing and, oops, she accidentally got strangled. Ultimately, the guys were convicted for murder or whatever. One of the most famous of those was the "Preppy Murder," where the cute rich guy strangles his ex-girlfriend and leaves her there, then watches from across the street the next day as police find her body. When he's picked up, he claims the asphyxiation kinky sex thing. He was convicted (of murder or manslaughter or something - no one bought the kinky sex defense).

Because he is rich and famous? If a family member of anyone posting on this board died in Thailand under strange circumstances would the FBI investigate? No, they would laugh at a request to do that.

grrrr

...Autoerotic asphyxiation...

this is the only thing people will remember him for.

jerk off ever again be worth it? I think not.