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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:13 PM
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Mobile scanner could detect guns
Source: BBC

By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

British scientists have developed a portable microwave scanner to help police identify individuals carrying concealed guns and knives.

It is small enough to be used covertly, at some distance from the subject.

The device is based around microwave radar technology and is designed to pick up the "reflections" of weapons concealed beneath clothing.

Some officials believe technology like this could help increase the effectiveness of stop-and-search.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8089959.stm
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:16 PM
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1. Wonder if they'd "pick up" my pruning shears
With me all the time.

Got stopped by the Capitol Police once while walking to the Botanic Garden to volunteer. Was asked to "turn around slowly"...

My shears are carried in a holster on my belt. I learned to carry them in my bag any time I'm near a high security area. Common sense, I guess.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:17 PM
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2. Ruh Roh
:popcorn:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:30 PM
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4. And we're off and running....see below:
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:28 PM
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3. Just one more instance of UK's never-ending efforts to monitor ever move made by it's citizens.
That's what happens when a people submit to government as the source of all rights as opposed to the U.S. where many of us fight to protect inalienable/unalienable or pre-existing rights that do not depend upon government or a constitution for legitimacy.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:30 PM
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5. Not "citizens" Jody...They are "Subjects"....NT
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:35 PM
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6. Mea culpa. Subjects must never forget subjects.
:spank:
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:55 PM
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10. LOL don't beat yer self up over it Jody...
Unless you want too!! ROFLMAO!

:hi:
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:35 PM
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7. Without a warrant, wouldn't this constitute an illegal search?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:38 PM
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8. Depends on how and where it's used, actually.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:21 AM
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25. But organizations would have a right to scan those coming onto their property.
The same would hold for public buildings where weapons are excluded by law.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:47 PM
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9. I suspect so, in the US.
The Supreme Court has ruled things like Infrared analysis of your house to determine if maybe you have a grow op, is not sufficient evidence for a warrant, for instance.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:05 PM
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12. But US airport scans that nearly view a person naked are legal, aren't they? n/t
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 09:46 PM
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17. The difference is
You generally willingly submit to a search as part of the requirement to fly. Being searched when you are walking down the street has no "consent" component.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:13 PM
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19. You don't have a constitutional right to use the airport.
Personally, I would like to see people press their 4th amendment rights a bit more, but technically commercial air travel is not a right, unless someone gets really creative with the right of 'assembly'.

Then again, I don't want dirtbags getting on planes with weapons... so.. Technology kind of demands a new balance here, that we have not yet reached.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 05:35 AM
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21. The right to travel?
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:29 AM
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26. You could walk.
Or take some other form of transportation. Airlines are not public transit.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that's 'right', but it is the way it is, at least for now.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:51 PM
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15. On "the streets," it's likely subject to the lesser standards of stop & frisk
You can read about them here:

http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-articles/when-police-frisk-you.html

In other contexts, it's perfectly legal- and I think appropriate.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:53 AM
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22. You forget, invoking "GUNZ!!" is the same as invoking "TERRAH!!".
Edited on Tue Jun-09-09 11:01 AM by benEzra
Ordinary civil rights protections don't apply when the object of the policy is one of "those people." Look at all the DU threads endorsing Alberto Gonzales' attempt to revoke the gun rights of people the Bush adminstration blacklisted.

But yes, in my opinion, use of millimeter wave scanners or backscatter X-ray without reasonable indication that the person is actually committing a crime would constitute an unlawful search. Of course, in places like NYC, blanket searches under the justification of "terrah" or "he has a bulge on his belt" are already more or less the norm, but one can hope the ACLU would be all over this.

But the UK is a bit further down that road than we are (yet, anyway).

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:18 PM
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27. Well in the U.S., that would depend on how Anthony Kennedy feels about it.
Our entire legal system hinges on his vote. Even our political
system hangs on his balance.

Tesha

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:00 PM
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11. Only a matter of time before Fruit of the Loom offers metal impregnated briefs.
Nobody wants their balls surreptitiously fried.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:15 PM
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13. soon they'll detect fillings and kick you our of your dental plan

j/k
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:28 PM
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14. But officer.............
I was just pleased to see you. :)
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:59 PM
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16. Might be better to have a scanner that detects domestic crazies.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:11 PM
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18. How Could It Tell a Knife from a Pen or a Flashlight?
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:02 AM
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23. On some of the better systems, the resolution is good enought to see the difference.
Someone using a backscatter X-ray scanner, for example, can not only search your beltline and pockets, but can tell whether or not you are circumcised.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 05:16 AM
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20. They're going to cook me, aren't they?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:19 AM
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24. Better install them at church doors.
Not to mention doors to university classroom buildings.
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