Slain doctor's (George Tiller) abortion clinic to close permanently

Source: USA Today/AP

Attorney for slain Kansas abortion provider George Tiller says doctor’s clinic in Wichita will be "permanently closed," the Associated Press reports.

Read more: http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/06/slain-doctors-abortion-clinic-to-close-permanently-.html?loc=interstitialskip

Mission fucking accomplished. :mad:

Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! Damnit!

I don't have anything constructive to say, just that this pisses me off royally. Sure, let's take away vital health care services for women. Who cares right? Just let 'em die...... :sarcasm:

Sonsabitches. I hope every one of the assholes who had a part in this over the decades rots in hell.

:puke:

as someone else where put it "might makes right" --

This only means that Roeder won. And a lot of women around America who desperately needed that clinic just lost.

bastards

Tiller's clinic was one of the view that helped women with really tragic problems and for this he was shot
in his own church.

:x(:

Monsters indeed.

n/t

They're emboldened now, and there's just enough people in our society who think they have the right idea to make this a crisis.

It's not unlike the Taliban forcing women's schools to close down. If there's no schools, girls will stay home, stay in their burqas, and stay stupid, right?

sadly!

Then they can start in on the others.

And they will.

A couple more years and we'll be back to abortions being handled by drunks, de-licensed doctors and second year med students.

Just like the good old days.

n/t

doctors who will provide this service for late pregnancies?

Seems to make them all too attractive a target.

So if a woman goes to the hospital in mid-miscarriage -- she'll bleed to death.

It couldn't be more obvious that the right-wing has preyed on the most ignorant

and obedient to get their dirty work done!

Is this due to fundie pressure?! :wtf:

And, evidently they've succeeded in stopping it at most teaching schools!

There was just an article posted at DU recently where a doctor -- who I think

headed the gyn department -- protested and was fired from his job.

My sibling graduated med school in 2005 and she was taught how to do abortions and did them as well. I will have to ask her if they taught her about "late term" abortions

That would be fantastic if all were still doing it --

My impression was they were intimidating some teaching schools --

maybe they didn't get as far as I thought! Hope not!!


Also did you see the story a couple of months back about a woman having

a miscarriage taken to a hospital and turned away. The administration

was afraid of being charged of doing an abortion!!

The "partial truth abortion" legislation is going to kill a lot of women

one way or another!

And, it won't be women from wealthy famiies . . . it will be poor women.

This infuriates me. I cannot believe people want to control women's lives.

We're still in the same gene pool that gave us Native American genocide --

enslavement of Africans in America. Followed by another 100 years of Segregation, Inc.

It's about exploitation for profit -- in the case of nature and women, I'd have to expand

that to hatred and fear.

Women's Holocaust - "Hammer of Witches"

Vatican's Jewish ghettoes for 1,100 years followed by another 100 years of vile Vatican

propaganda against them.

Still oppression of homosexuals.

That's what organized patriarchal religion is all about . . .



:cry:

It is letting the terrorists win.

...at least, to their terrorist way of thinking...

When will the left decide to fight back?

them to frame late term terminations as 'partial birth'. Given there is no such medial term, this frame should never have been endlessly repeated. I'm disgusted at the left and outraged at the rabid, radical right.

n/t

With their pictures on them with targets on their faces? We probably have a few loose cannons of our own.

:sarcasm:

This is becoming a freaking war of attrition. That's what frightens me most of all.

what we think we have.

In a war of attrition, those willing to risk the most usually win.

That is also why the health care "reform" will be a net loss. The insurance criminals will have an even-greater stranglehold once "our" reps in DC are finished.

I mean, imagine what might happen if we were to inflame these people...

Don't forget how the leader of Israel was killed by a right-wing nut job. The result: years of nut-job leaders in Israel.

bush's wars got him elected even though it shot America in the foot.

But they did fool the American public into buying the idea that he had been elected.

:toast:

American Al-Qaeda, Mission Accomplished.

The assholes win again.

I was shocked to hear only three clinics in all America provide late term services.

Of course these are easy to target. Congress and Obama need to make it mandatory that large University Hospitals provide these essential health care services, so that it isn't easy to target all of them.

Will the Dems ever grow a spine?

Former Presidential candidate Bob Dole can advertise viagra and medicare will pay for it yet, women across the country can't get necessary health care.

Then the pukes that stir up trouble there can be brought up on federal charges.

:toast:

the health options available to women. ALL. Or no $$$$.

I wonder why that decision was made -- wasn't a Nebraska provider lined up to continue the practice?

I'm sure it wasn't a decision made lightly but it sends a very bad message nevertheless.

Are you sick and tired of arguing with people on the internet about issues of great moral and socioeconomic import? Why not try Terrorism™? Whatever political agenda you endorse, there's nothing like Terrorism™ to make real progress toward your goals! Against abortion? Shoot a doctor! Don't like women in schools? Blow them up! Words are cheap. With Terrorism™, your results are guaranteed! All you need to get started is a gun and a dream. So abandon your humanity and try Terrorism™ today!

Brought to you by the human capacity for psychotic depravity.

innocent casualties, infinite detention without charges, suspension of habeas corpus, and waterboarding.

Christian terrorists get government money to push their horrible agenda.

:toast:

Terrorism™ is not for everyone. If you have a conscience, empathy, respect for human rights, an even temper and normal blood pressure, talk with your health care provider as Terrorism™ may not be right for you. Women who are pregnant or may become pregnant are particularly at risk of side effects from Terrorism™, which in some cases have resulted in death. If you have uncontrolled rage lasting four or more hours, put your gun down and see your doctor.

If you cannot afford your medication, Pro-Life Action will be only too happy to help.

Ask your fundamentalist religious leader about Terrorism™ today!

:toast:

Once THEY have been killed (and I believe they will be eventually) and THEIR clinics closed (which they will be), then the terrorists will get to work on facilities that provide earlier pregnancy terminations.

I think we all get where this is going. And I don't believe for one minute that the FBI will "find" any evidence of a conspiracy.

America, get ready to see a lot more of your wives and daughters and sisters and aunts suffer or die needlessly. After all, that's apparently what you want.

They have murdered in the name of life. However, this will cause even more death, as desperate women will turn -- as they did decades ago (when I was a kid) -- to back-alley abortionists or self-induced abortions.

When I was younger, before abortion was safe and legal, it was not uncommon for a pregnant woman and her fetus to die at the hands of a failed medical student, a defrocked doctor, or a charlatan in a sleazy motel room or an industrial building somewhere. Some women turned to folk remedies that were sometimes ineffective and often fatal.

The Christian terrorists will kill more people than they save -- but they'll be patting themselves on the back for this.

... it's all part of Eve's Curse.

My pro-life neighbors are not fanatics and do not wish for women to die -- but sadly, by not speaking out against the fanatics in their midst, they become complicit in the results.

Hekate

Nah. Because women aren't people. Only fetuses are people. Women are chattel.

THANK YA JEEEZUS!

And defending our freedom.

Looks like terrorists can take our freedom anytime they please, as long as the terrorists speak English as their primary language and pay homage to the patriarchial/white supremicist version of Christianity that is a sub-set of the Republican Party.

Someone needs to open a clinic in Kansas. This needs to happen to emphasize to the nuts that they cannot succeed in their ends by killing. This is also why the twin towers need to go back up, but that hasn't happened either. :banghead:

This guy was identified gluing doors shut at this and other clinics several times, but the FBI did nothing.

ITA. We need to start prosecuting.

And why a freestanding clinic, which is arguably much harder to protect against harassment-bent nuts (and worse) than a full-service hospital or equivalent facility?

Sure, starting another clinic in Wichita would be a satisfying in-your-face gesture, but we need to be practical. If there are more doctors with the courage to take up Dr. Tiller's work, they should be able to practice where they're most comfortable. Hopefully in cities where local and state law enforcement and the political establishment will protect them. Heck, the majority of those bozos who've been hanging out in Wichita and making clinic harassment their life's work probably couldn't even afford to move to NYC or San Francisco.

And we may have to take a tip from the bad old days before abortion was legal. Protect such doctors from press coverage and even internet exposure. Let word get out to the medical community only by word-of-mouth and pro-choice networks.

If hospitals won't take on such a clinic, how about a hospital ship? That should be easier to control access to.

And yes, it's terrible that such measures should be necessary for a legal medical procedure, but we can't let terrorists control our society, either.

In any case we need a foundation--or several--to support some of these needs. Including desperate women who find themselves with a pregnancy that's gone awry too late for any but expert help. There but for the grace of God go I -- or many of us! IS there such a foundation/fund?

Think about what you're saying. What the hell is the point of the law if we have to behave as when it was illegal? It has to be in Kansas because it WAS in Kansas. Otherwise, they have won.

It's going to take the National Guard for a woman to get an abortion in Kansas?

We can now expect to see a ramping up of violence, now that their violence has been validated. :-(

really sad for women who seek services in everything, birth control practices too. They are infringing on a womans choice, damn these people!:mad:

and they interview the killer who did it, WTF?

I cannot believe that we will kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis because of the impending threat of "terrorism" and yet our government has turned their back on this hideous domestic terrorism that was planned, plotted, and delivered.

:nuke: :cry:

Now, all the others have targets on their backs because this bastard got his way. I hope he rots in a cell for the rest of his life.

:cry:

and now through the sick act of one man and his sick ideology his clinic is closed. How sad for those women who seek services.

Remind them that people don't have to go to an abortion clinic to end a pregnancy. Lots of herbs out there--along with stuff in every produce department in every grocery store. Even Walmart.

And they are not going to outlaw it.

Can't count on the government to do the right thing.

that's why they are regulated in the third trimester --

What Dr. Tiller did is a legal medical proceedure in this country. He patients were all there voluntarily, he didn't force anyone to use his services or go to his clinic. If people are against abortion then they should find ways through the elective, legal, judicial system to get things changed. Committing an act of cold blooded murder in the name of "Jesus" is no better than what those people who flew the planes into the Twin Towers did in the name of "Allah".

And we all know war is good for business.
The more we fight each other the more they win.
Its back to the abortion grind. Gay marriage just is not working like they hoped.

I wish my weekly peace vigils were half as effective. We would never have had the surge or gone to war! It must say something about my tactics. This is wrong on so many levels. I can understand why they are closing the facility. These people have been through hell for years. Peace to all who have weathered this storm.

that killing drs that preform abortions works to shut down clinics and deprive women of healthcare.
This cannot be allowed to happen..open that clinic! Or build a bigger one!

Obama talked of women rights in the Middle East in his Cairo speech.

It is time for the rubber to meet the road here in America... Women health care is a human rights issue needing protection by Obama and the Democratically run Congress, right here in America.

I love the lofty speeches but, it is past time, for Obama to put his rhetoric into real reform and actual law enforcement.

Time for the politicians to stop ignoring and start enforcing the Rule of Law.

...I really wish that I believed in some form of afterlife punishment for these assholes.....

Sometimes being an atheist can be unsatisfying.

The post number of your post is 666 :silly:

...I liked that little bit of irony....

:evilgrin:

Not unexpected, though. Dr. Tiller was irreplaceable. Who were they going to find to stand up against terrorism, and inspire others to do so? Somebody with his soul is not going to be waiting in the wings. It's a great day for terrorism and an encouragement for more.

But it's a temporary victory. The terrorists have created a great martyr with Dr. George Tiller that will galvanize the whole pro-choice movement. We are not going to let them win.

Fuck the terrorists.

Tillers Womens clinic. The terrorist did win since it is now gone but at the same time I cannot blame the Tiller family for shutting it down. They gave up a husband, father and grandfather to the fight for a woman's right to the health care she needed. Hopefully there are some doctors out there right now with the guts and money to open not just one clinic to replace Tiller's but even more. That is the only way to beat this form of terror.

if someone wants an abortion its probably better for everyone involved if they would make up their mind about it sooner rather than later.

aren't detected earlier. Dumbass.

Your post will probably be alerted on and deleted, but it speaks for most of us, IMO.

...you are saying that Tiller brought this on himself or (even more sickening) that the blood is on the hands of the MINUSCULE number of women that had late term abortions?

If not, your communication skills suck.

"Sucks" is when you forget your lunch at home or scuff your new shoes.

A courageous man lost his life performing procedures that were protected by the law. He was murdered in cold blood by a Christian terrorist who has now been shown that his tactics work.

Also, many of the women Dr Tiller helped in the later terms were there because of legitimate medical threats to their own lives or because the fetus had already died inside the womb. Assuming that these women were there just because they couldn’t make up their minds earlier is just plain ignorant.

You have no *ucking concept!

Women don't get third-trimester abortions for the fun of it or because they suddenly decide they can't handle having a baby. In virtually all cases either the mother's health is at risk or the doctor has discovered the baby has some terrible medical problem and either would not live or would have no quality of life.

You provided the same number of sources to back up your argument the original poster did. ZERO!

My sister had a baby with a condition they knew about. Didn't live two days. I don't know what the medical name of the condition is but it wasn't that. Anyway not important.

They decided to go all the way to birth. I am glad they were the ones able to make the decision one way or the other but I am still concerned some doctors could make mistakes early on and tell patients to get abortions or pressure them to and be wrong. Not a situation a patient or doctor wants to be in and very tough for everyone.

I repeat, women who have late term abortions aren't doing it for fun. In fact, it's quite painful and usually psychologically traumatic. And potentially dangerous. They aren't doing it because they suddenly decided they just really didn't want to have a baby.

http://eileen.undonet.com/links.html

Scroll down to the last section of links and you'll see links to medical sites that depict and explain serious and/or fatal fetal disorders. Warning though, the pictures are very graphic and heartbreaking.

My baby was dead and decomposing and didn't die early enough to avoid a late term abortion. And unfortunately you are partly correct. Two Catholic doctors apparently were too stupid to figure out a baby without a heartbeat and whose mother was seeping bloody and grotesque smelling embryonic fluid, was not alive.

Actually they pretended not to know it because they would rather that I die than to do an abortion. So they pretended it was normal to have a grotesquely smelling period at over 6 months and that there was no heartbeat or movement because the baby was turned away from the stethoscope and apparently was abnormally restfully asleep.

Because of those geniuses I nearly died. And because of at least one of them, my baby died in the 1st place because he refused to remove the Copper 7 IUD when I asked him to resulting in it perforating the amniotic sac. Because of him, I carried my dead baby for days, a baby I knew was dead, until I nearly died.

Dr. Tiller and those like him are all that stand between life and death for woman like me. My other two children have a mother because of a good friend and one courageous woman who cared as much about me as a person as most anti-abortionist care about me as an incubator.

What gross negligence, to allow you to go through all that! Heartbreaking... I'm glad you survived and were able to further care for your (I'm sure well-loved!) children.

I admit to having a biased interest in the abortion debate. My son's complicated pre-term birth (abnormal C-section at 24 weeks) has left me at an extremely high risk for uterine rupture to the point that my doctors have said a future pregnancy is inadvisable and very risky. Since I can't care for my disabled child while on a full bed-rest pregnancy, we've never tried to have any more kids. And really, never can. If my H's vasectomy fails, I'll need to terminate to avoid risking grave threat to my health.

I'm one of the lucky few though whose health insurance covers abortion services at any point in the pregnancy and for any reason needed. Very few women have the "privilege" of such complete health coverage in order to maintain their health and well-being. And it just should not be like that... Considering proper, legal, and appropriate health maintenance to be a privilege...

Tiller didn't do late term abortions on women who just couldn't make up their minds. That is against the law in Kansas. These were women with life threatening complications and fetuses who were dead or dying.

Your "shoulda thoughta that" attitude might change if you took your head out of your ass.

And as well you should. There probably isn't even *one* late-term pregnancy termination that is done out of casual choice. All late-term terminations are done because of severe risks to the mother and/or the non-viability of the fetus to survive. The late Dr. Tiller was one of the few doctors in the United States that was not only trained in the procedure, but would perform the procedure. Not one of Dr. Tiller's patience casually chose to "...make up their mind about it sooner rather than later." Dr. Tiller's death and the closing of his clinic is a monumental blow to ALL WOMEN'S HEALTH AND ALL WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE.

Please, do not post again about his subject until you have educated yourself. Your ignorance in this matter does you a grave disservice.

Educate yourself.

just so happens that complications arise

Damn.

with all of the folks asking her when the baby is due...that is about the time some of these uneducated cretins will wake up!!

if the true result of forced birth laws were hugely publicized....

doubtful that would happen....


this CANNOT be the end of the story.

From Ann Coulter:

<<The official Web page of the ELCA instructs: "A developing life in the womb does not have an absolute right to be born." As long as we're deciding who does and doesn't have an "absolute right to be born," who's to say late-term abortionists have an "absolute right" to live?

I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists?

Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one.>>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20090603/cm_ucac/49milliontofive


On edit: The woman hosting the afternoon show on the local Catholic radio station here in Omaha apparantly thought this was "very clever".

:eyes:

to Nazi propaganda -- !!!

Big machine and very violent!!

She damned well better steer clear of my neighborhood.

You know, like if you don't want a same sex marriage, don't get one.

Ann Coulter is a waste of floor space and oxygen!

simple form --

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

Here is my letter to the President:

~~~~~~~~~~
Last week an American hero, Dr. George Tiller, was assassinated by domestic terrorists who seek to end women's access to abortion and birth control. Now his family indicates that they will be closing his women's health facility permanently.

Mr. President, how many more physicians and and healthcare workers will have to be murdered in cold blood before you begin to take seriously the deadly threat that the Christian Taliban poses to Americans? Will we have to see a Columbine-style mass murder before you act? How many women will have to die before this country decides that it does NOT want to become another Afghanistan?

We are spending far too much time, money, and energy "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here", when in fact THEY are here already and wreaking havoc.

It is past time to provide FULL federal protection to ALL women's health care facilities nationwide AND all abortion and birth control providers who wish for protection. You have seriously underestimated the determination and viciousness of the "anti-abortion" crowd, who in truth seeks to return us to the Dark Ages of the enslavement of women and stonings in the streets.

I thought you were a Democrat and a true supporter of women's rights. If I had known that you had as little spine as your pale blue colleagues, I would have voted for someone else. Please prove me wrong on that last count.

kestrel
~~~~~~~~~

We also need FEDERAL PROTECTION of these clinics 24/7 -

Tiller was asking for increased protection due to increasing terrorism at the

clinic .... had they provided it Tiller may still be alive.

Additionally, Scott Roeder was a regular at "gluing locks" at one clinic -- he

was recognized there and on their film file and they had his license plate.

Kansas FBI didn't do much with the reports.

Yet, Roeder was at that clinic again the Saturday before he killed Dr. Tiller!!!

Within five minutes of his being at the clinic it was all reported AGAIN to the

Kansas FBI.

Looks like what we have really had here is a huge lack of investigation and following

of these "pro-life" terrorists!!

Complaisance is the quality or state of being agreeable, gracious, considerate, etc.

Those assholes have proven that he was right to kill people he didn't like to get his job done. No right wing asshat can complain about the terrorists now. Their side has proven what works. Kill for Jesus or Kill for Allah.

Terrorism really does work.
And with Domestic Terrorism getting a free pass, it works even better than regular, plain old made up terrorism.

The so-called 'non-crazy' element of the anti-choice movement have pursued a well-funded, smart, stealth campaign for years. The pro-choice movement was satisfied that the law was in place and so let the ball drop as a mass movement. There were always those still clued in to what was happening, but the general public was largely unaware of how effectively anti-choice organizations have been. They don't always use anything to do with abortion per se, they might impose zoning restrictions on the building that houses the clinic, for example.

What this all has done is that in some states, often those states that need clinics the most desperately, Roe V. Wade is a mirage. There is ONE clinic to serve all of Mississippi, and the anti-choice forces are targeting them:

"Hundreds of abortion-rights advocates and abortion opponents rallied in Jackson, Miss., on Sunday for the second day of a planned weeklong battle over attempts to shut down the state's last abortion clinic."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-16-abortion-protest_x.htm

The only good thing that might come out of this tragedy is that people wake up to what's been happening for years.

Roe Vs. Wade is not a 'safe' bet. It's not enough. If your legislators aren't working on it now, they need to be passing STATE legislation protecting reproductive freedom. Fortunately Washington State got this done a while ago, RvW could evaporate overnight, and nothing would change for this State.

If your State doesn't have those protections, able to stand on their own, without RvW, get some. Now. Before it's too late.

WTF? The Kansas killing was just quick and visible. The insidious curtailing of women's reproductive rights is happening quietly all over the country.

Not actually the first shot, but the one that shows it works, and it works like a house on fire.


I'm really disgusted.

:kick:

through violence.

Imagine the outcry if a few of us wild-eyed lefties had shot up the offices of, say, Faux Noise. It'd be straight to Gitmo for the lot of us. :eyes:

that's the message. The biggest asshole wins.

... when it all starts again with more enemies and less ammunition ...

Or should we show up and chase the so-called pro-lifers with baseball bats? That's honestly what I would like to do at this point.

This will only reinforce and embolden this type of terrorism in our country. The fear mongers, terrorists, and extremists for the far right wing won today.

Women who need the procedure to save their own lives may now die.

This man is a terrorist and the media masturbates itself with turning this into a 'debate'.

Sick. Sick. Sick.

Seriously, even if they lose money selling/giving the place to someone else to run as an abortion clinic they should keep it running, aren't there other highly qualified doctors who worked there that could keep the place running?

You can just imagine the stuff that a strongly proabortion republican party would be saying in our situation, painting these guys as the violent evil domestic terrorists that they are, but of course because the media has such a strong right wing bias they probably won't even utter the word 'terrorist' in the same sentence in which they talk about this story.

so are they going to waterboard this terrorist? he did say more attacks were coming didn't he?

where's their fucking Kiefer Sutherland now???

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz asking her to introduce legislation that classifies these bastards as terrorist organizations. It may not work but its worth a shot. I urge all of you to do the same. If they get enough calls and e-mails, it may get them to listen to us.

clinic, hope a bomb doesn't go off in my neighborhood or anyone else's for that matter.

as a result of this murder, and the closing of this critical health care facility.

Tiller's family wants to be paid more,
and/or,
the other doctors think they will get a
better deal somewhere else

the family knows that the goodwill value
of the business goes down over time

He was a brave and selfless physician.

Are you sure you're on the correct website? Sounds to me like you're parroting the misogynist live birther line.

:wtf: I suppose admitting a total lack of basis for your declarative statements is better than not admitting it.

I think closing down the clinic is about limiting legal liability to the Tiller family. At this point, they've already lost too much.

I'd imagine their lawyers have advised that by closing the clinic, instead of hiring another doctor and waiting for someone to buy out the business, the family no longer has to worry about the potential of a lawsuit by staff members and/or patients during the time awaiting the sale. I would hate to think of something else happening to any of the clinic workers and the surviving Tiller family members being subjected to a lawsuit as a result. Were I their attorney, I would advise the same option.

Besides, that clinic *was* Dr. Tiller's life work. It must be painful for the family now to imagine it being run by anyone else whose work ethic may not be entirely up to Dr. Tiller's standards and sense of personal ethics. I think the sentiment was shown quite clearly by the funeral casket spray floral arrangement bearing a banner reading "Trust Women", which was Dr. Tiller's constant guiding message.

Trust Women...

right wing nut job to come along and do the same thing.

because they no longer can receive Dr. Tiller's services.

And can't afford to go elsewhere...

Life in Taliban Amerika...

for validating their tactics.

and intimidation at abortion clinics & toward individual doctors across the country. She called Rachel Maddow and reported this -- Rachel reported it on her 6/9 show.

And they get away with killing people because they are Republicans.

Very sad outcome.

- B

He obviously deserves much of the "credit" for the closure of this facility. But Bill-O will never get around the fact that it was domestic terrorism that won the day for the extreme pro-life cause, egged on by his own over-the-top broadcasts. And nothing succeeds like "success", so who knows when or where the next attack might occur? But O'Reilly is too consumed by his own camapign against the "far left" to notice who the real extremists are. Perhaps a glance in the mirror might be a revelation?

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