Autopsy finds Carradine’s death not a suicide

Source: MSNBC

LOS ANGELES - The forensics expert hired by David Carradine’s family has concluded that the “Kung Fu” actor did not commit suicide, but said that more information was needed from Thai investigators before the cause of death could be determined.

Carradine’s brothers, Keith and Robert Carradine, each read part of a prepared statement to reporters from The Associated Press at a Los Angeles hotel Thursday morning. In their first appearance since their older brother was found hanging in a Bangkok hotel room closet last week, they thanked supporters and asked for privacy.

“This is a devastating loss for our family and we greatly appreciate the compassion pouring in from all over the world,” Keith Carradine said. They also released a statement by Dr. Michael Baden of New York that indicated a second autopsy determined Carradine didn’t kill himself.

“However, to reach a final determination as to the cause and the manner of death we must wait for further information from Thailand as to the scene findings and the completion of the crime laboratory and toxicology studies that are still being performed,” Baden’s statement said.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31258637/

come on' no one ties shit to their genitals and hangs themself at the same time.

I never heard of this before. Apparently, I've led a more sheltered life than I realized. However, I did some Googling and read the wiki on it. But, not many commit suicide this way. Accidents happen, though. Or this could have been staged.

When she was a young teenager she found him hanging in the closet and held up his body while she screamed for help. Yet there was no talk of suicide. I suppose back then one just didn't talk about kinky stuff like this so it was never mentioned, but the hallmarks were there.

there's a group who felt the martial arts should never have been taught outside Asia... although it seems a bit after the fact.

I mean, besides intent? Unless they found some chemicals in his system or another sort of injury that would indicate someone else's involvement, how could they really ever decisively know one way or the other?

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He would have left no suicide note if he were just trying something kinky.

I'm not convinced that this was not accidental death caused by something very dangerous.

A classic case of autoerotic asphyxiation.

Families have a hard time accepting suicide as a cause of their loved one's death, but they have, I believe, an equally difficult time accepting that their loved one died in a kinky solitary sexual pleasure.

Carradine's was classic. Ask any coroner......................

I will wait for the "official findings" before I draw any conclusions.

that's part of the set-up, one rope tying the genitals, the hands, and looped around the neck. A system of pulleys and levers, so to speak.

Years ago, when I was an intern in a residential treatment center for troubled adolescents, I learned that this was the number one cause of death of adolescent boys. They were always naked, and, for a long time, these deaths were treated as suicides, because no one had figured out auto-erotic asphyxiation...............

But speaking in terms of physiology, why rope/belts around neck? Why not just breath holding?

as if he's out of control, as if some other force has control over his breathing, that he is at "their" mercy.

That's how realized fantasies work........................

people fashion all sorts of gadgets in this regards. People have been known to wrap themselves in plastic or even a bladder that is filled with air to cause constriction.

As for breath holding, your body will not let you do that long enough to get the desired results from a ligature. Also, the ligature adds to the excitement.

It is still a sad situation and for his family's sake I hope they find another reason for cause of death.

It is not uncommon for people in suicides to tie their own hands. I have seen it several times.

In auto-erotic deaths, it is common to use some ligature but to do it in such a way so it can be defeated. This reportedly adds to the excitement.

People here need to read on how hypoxia affects the human body.

I think the crime scene was staged. I would be interested in his toxicology reports say.

This is a classic example of an auto-erotic death. Quit doing the conspiracy theory junk.

it would not be uncommon for family members to "clean up" the scene to hide what happened, which would then further cloud the waters of the investigation.

Things like this really show the ignorance of the general public when it comes to circumstances such as this.

not that his family is concerning with that but I gurantee you that whoever finance the movie he was working on is all about the insurance ramifications

When he died 12 years ago, most of those in the know assumed AEA as soon as we had the details, and thought it was a cop-out on his family's part to insist it was suicide.

Having seen the parade of details we really didn't fucking need to know about David Carradine's death, I think the Hutchences made the right decision in clinging to the polite fiction, and whatever bribes were placed at the hotel.

Maybe that means I'm getting old, now, but I'm still not voting Republican FWIW.

Please... Oh... wait... you mean Auto Erotic Asphyxiation... I think I know what you're driving at now... because you certainly don't mean a Ribbon microphone from the early part of the 20th century http://www.ribbonmics.com/

The truth, no matter how embarrassing, is always better than a lie.

Now, you're point about what the public "needs to know" is very well-taken. Of course, that opens a whole can of worms about the nature of fame in our society. When someone famous dies, their death becomes no more private than their life was. I don't like it, because it hurts the family, not the deceased, and the family may NOT want to be living in the spotlight. Unfortunately, I don't think that is likely to change.

The following is just personal opinion:

If I were standing in the family's shoes, I'd rather the death be accidental - no matter how embarrassing - than a suicide. Once again, just personal opinion. My own feeling is that in this case, and Michael's case, I don't really care that they wanted to do something kinky. Maybe if we stopped having such shame over our sexual lives and fantasies, these things could be more openly discussed, and maybe these accidents wouldn't happen (because their partners would be there to supervise or whatever). Or maybe they would increase, because more people would try it? I don't know.

Pure speculation here: Due to Carradine's age, I wonder if he had prostate problems, and hence had problems with sexual function, and maybe this was the only way he could still experience orgasm? I don't know, I haven't read up on this issue, it was just a question that popped into my head....

I don't need to be protected ... and you don't need to be protected.

But this is something you (universal you) *really* *don't* want anyone to have to explain to the kids.

Sexual molestation? Heather Has Two Mommies? Teaching moments.

"Some people like to get off by nearly killing themselves and pulling back *just* at climax," serves no *healthy* useful purpose in a 6, 9, 12 year old's life. And some of them will be curious enough to try. Not many, not even 1 in 10 probably, but enough.

If this is going to be a topic for public consumption, may as well just hand them the drain cleaner now and get it over with.

There's an interesting book you might want to read; An Arsonist's Guide to Writers' Homes In New England that explores an idea that's counter to everything most of us grew up with: sometimes, maybe the lie IS the responsible thing.

I, for one, would MUCH rather that my own death was caused by a fuck-up while pleasure seeking than by suicide. Not only does this sit better with my own vanity, but I think about my loved ones, friends and associates who would be MUCH more hurt by a suicide than a tragic thrill-gone-bad. There's a nasty streak of selfishness in suicide: our lives touch so many others, and even if the anguish of continued existence becomes more than can be borne, ending one's life inflicts grave emotional injury on many others.

Not to harangue you too much for this, but it sounds like something coming from deep sexual repression.

Suicide makes all survivors wonder what they could have done to help. It makes them feel lost, hurt, confused and somewhat guilty. The pangs are complex and deep, from a feeling of insignificance to powerlessness. The ripples of the event are unpredictable and profound.

This explanation reeks of a family's desire to not have been responsible for bringing a filthy pervert into the world, and it's an insult to the deceased.

If the idea is that this is the "easiest" way to sweep it under the rug, I completely contest that, too. Accusations against friends, lovers and business/artistic associates abound in the face of suicides, compounding the loss already felt by those people. Blood kin aren't the only ones that matter in a person's life, and this kind of convenient lying (if that was the case) is morally disgusting, putting oneself above the feelings of others.

Some truths are better left alone, but this is a shocking case of disagreement here.

sounds more accurate.

Source: AP

LOS ANGELES – The forensics expert hired by David Carradine's family has concluded that the "Kung Fu" actor did not commit suicide, but said that more information was needed from Thai investigators before the cause of death could be determined.

Carradine's brothers, Keith and Robert Carradine, each read part of a prepared statement to reporters from The Associated Press at a Los Angeles hotel Thursday morning. In their first appearance since their older brother was found hanging in a Bangkok hotel room closet last week, they thanked supporters and asked for privacy.

"This is a devastating loss for our family and we greatly appreciate the compassion pouring in from all over the world," Keith Carradine said.

They also released a statement by Dr. Michael Baden of New York that indicated a second autopsy determined Carradine didn't kill himself.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090611/ap_on_en_mo/us_carradine_death;_ylt=An1gKdR3.DCgEMohGSGKNFsDW7oF

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genitals also found tied

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frigging rush that someone would risk dying for to achieve. Whatever happened to a bit of weed and a vibrator?

Whatever floats your boat, but that whole hanging to get yourself off is way beyond my comprehension of hot sex.

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