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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 01:45 PM Original message |
MI Supreme Court gives judges authority in how witnesses' dress, including veils worn by Muslim wome |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's not "dictated by their religion." There's nothing in the Koran saying women must |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. It's in at least two places in the Koran |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Only the prophet's wife was required to veil her face and hair. Noone else. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Where is the respect for OUR culture? |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Our culture? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Respect for American culture starts with a love of jazz! |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I love jazz. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. *golfclap* |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. As is the blues.. n/t |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I couldn't agree more. (nt) |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
43. "in a language other than English?" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
62. The issue was not about her culture. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. I don't see anything in there |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Look up what a Jalalib is |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Went to the first link that |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #19 |
61. Apparently, there are differences of opinion. One source says a dress. But |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Then again, 2:282 says a woman's testimony is less reliable than a man's |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. well at least SLAVERY is ok in the Koran thank gosh. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:51 AM Response to Reply #33 |
63. Bible, too. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. It is dictated by culture. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. not when the culture |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:25 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Ummm.... |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. no, i;m not opposed to blind jurors |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. "if you were accused of a crime".... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
65. A judge or jury is capable of factoring in her discomfort (and probably resentment). |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. Sorry. What if their culture allows them to only wear a tiny loincloth? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 05:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
50. why? this isn't Saudi Arabia. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
64. People have been sentenced to death or set free based upon credibility of the |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
66. It's not dictated by culture, but by religion. And, in some places, the "religious" will bring |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. Yes, there is, but the Shiite view is that it requires cover of hair only |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 05:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
49. The Sunnis in Turkey or Malayasia do not customarily |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. Just as long as they're not mocking the judge |
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cslinger59 (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
3. Unless it is somehow pertinent to a case.... |
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chicago legal pro (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. It is always pertinent to the case |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. +1 nt |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
45. This Is Why We BAN Blind People From the Bench And Juries |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Don't you think it helps |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. the accused has a right to face their accuser |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:29 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Go Look Up The Definition Of "Small Claims" |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. because the finder of fact |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:30 AM Response to Reply #36 |
47. This Is Why Blind People Are Banned From Court |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. the issue isn't are they banned from court |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. So your point is that whether she can testify with a veil |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. judging truthiness by the face? isn't that how we got a movie-star President? n/t |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Actually, this is how many people determine |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yay for the dissenters |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I was thinking of doing something similar at work. |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'm sorry, I have a problem with this. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. well said nt |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
15. We have a secular country |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
18. Fine with me. (nt) |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
21. Judge their truthfulness? |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. She needs to make a choice |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. But we do have |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
52. Those exceptions are for |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
48. WTF Does The 6th Amendment Have To Do With SMALL CLAIMS? /nt |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Court is court |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. The Sixth Amendment is about CRIMINAL proceedings, not CIVIL proceedings |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. it denies justice |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
28. Good ruling from what is otherwise a Kangaroo Court. nt |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
34. i agree |
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Crowman1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
39. This whole veil thing was popularized by the oppresion loving Saudis. |
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tj2001 (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
41. What about nudists??? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
55. Sorry... our courts and our society are SECULAR... you live here, you follow our court rules |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. ...And Swear On The Bible |
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annarbor (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:39 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. No one is forced to swear on the bible.... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. gee.... why not? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:28 AM Response to Original message |
67. As an aside, the majority of the Michigan Supremes are women! |
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