Clinton urges stronger India ties in speech laced with IT speak

Source: ComputerWorld

Secretary of State acknowledges concerns about lost jobs, falling wages in the U.S., but doesn't explore the merits

June 17, 2009 06:00 PM ET

Computerworld - WASHINGTON - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton today called for a "dramatic expansion" in relations with India and offered what were mostly hints about the role of the H-1B visa program.

Clinton, speaking before the U.S.-India Business Council and an audience that included representatives from offshore outsourcing companies, described her plans for a new relationship with India in the same terms that would be heard in a course on technology marketing 101.

The U.S.-India relationship needs an "upgrade," Clinton said. She dubbed this new version of their relationship "U.S.-India 3.0" saying finally, "I want to put us in the solutions business."

Clinton appeared to lend indirect support to arguments raised by India's IT outsourcers that visa restrictions are a form of protectionism.

"Some Americans fear that greater prosperity and partnership with India will mean lost jobs and falling wages here in the United States," Clinton said.

Clinton didn't address the merits of the lost jobs/falling wages argument but, instead, urged both sides to "work through any issues in our relationships and differences in our perspectives by focusing on shared objectives and concrete results."


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Words fail me....

... prosperity and partnership with India will mean lost jobs and falling wages here in the United States," Clinton said.

Some Americans are absolutely right. This is insourcing, same shit, different day.

I work in IT for one of the big 3 and I have watched as they replaced 90% of their workforce with people from India, either through insourcing or outsourcing. It is an undeniable FACT that Indians ARE taking our jobs.

Notice how since this started our economy has been in decline and especially since Clinton signed NAFTA and joined the WTO it has escalated and our economy has gotten that much worse.

Our jobs have left by the millions for India and for so many of the ones are left, they've brought them in. Why can't any politicians address this fact?

Terrible yes, surprising no.

Buy a clue: The SoS executes strategies as directed by the Oval Office. She's not a free agent.

1. Yes, sadly I realize the early indications are that (at least on trade and probably on regulations for corporations/Wall Street) Obama will be like Bill Clinton in many disappointingly DLC ways.

2. If you're going for that snappy condescending tone, avoid outdated phrases like "buy a clue". It's about as nerdy as "talk to the hand" and "who let the dogs out".

;)

"Change".

I'm done voting. Seriously. The system is broken beyond repair. I'm never again voting for a liar.

Fuck Obama. And fuck Clinton.

We always get teh mangos.

Your mango has bomb element!

JAIPUR: What is common between your favourite summer fruit - mango - and your most hated nasty thing - a crude bomb? Have you ever thought both of them contain calcium carbide.

The chemical is used to make crude bombs as well as for wielding purposes. But it is also widely used by greedy wholesalers and retailers at Mahuna fruit mandi in Sanganer to fasten the ripening of mangoes in order to make a fast buck.

This method also helps make mangoes look more attractive, agrees Ramesh Sharma, a fruit-seller at the mandi. Misuse of this chemical is banned.

This correspondent visited half a dozen wholesalers and retailers at the mandi to gauge the extent of use of this illegal method and was surprised to find that almost all the fruit-sellers were using calcium carbide to ripen the mangoes.

The chemical is widely available at the mandi at the cost of Rs 40 per kg. "Nearly 200 kgs of mangoes can be artificially ripened by using only one kg of calcium carbide," said a mango retailer.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Your_mango_has_bomb_element/articleshow/3061308.cms

hence my family always goes to the growers and buys mangoes directly from them. it is expensive but much safer.

and the ladies in my family don't trust the growers as well. each mango is rinsed at least 3-4 times before serving ... for kids, the number might be as high as 6 rinses...

We don't even rate organic mangos?

They get out jobs and nukes and all we get are lousy explosive mangos?

:mad:

David Cay Johnston's book, "FREE LUNCH: HOW THE WEALTHIEST AMERICANS ENRICH THEMSELVES AT GOVERNMENT EXPENSE AND STICK YOU WITH THE BILL." The former WSJ and NYT financial reporter writes about the successes of lobbyists who worked to rig the 'Free Trade' game so that any actual PROFITS (Income) from all those out-sourced business ventures could be off-shored (invisibly) to Cayman Islands accounts.

...Which has the effect of exacerbating the harmful results of all those lost jobs, as 'untaxable' corporate income isn't there, either, to help cover the increased government "safety net" costs, like unemployment benefits, and hospital emergency room visits for people who no longer have health insurance.

NT!

just an fyi...

that was 'marketing' speak

but what difference does that make? I'm just a third world American.

Our job is to repair our OWN house, not lift someone elses economy up while ours gets destroyed even further.

We need to fix America. Not continue this degradation, whose implications are staggering.

On the plus side, if America is removed from the world, they can buy and die from all the toxic shit products being made and have strokes from poor quality Microsoft products. (I know some out there wanted to hear the defeatist, cynical side, so there you go. Let's have make-up sex too.)

Edited: Subject line

I am not afraid; I know that H1b and outsourcing in general depress wages and work quality.

about how these practices impact US workers. Looks like I gave them too much "benefit of the doubt". They can no longer fal back on arguments of "unintended consequences", or "it just needs a few tweaks to protect US labor interests". At this point it's apparent they just don't care how many US workers lose their jobs. I won't forget.

shift America with the bill?

Why should we pay for the weapons of our destruction?

... when Bill opened the "free trade" (read: you buy stuff from us but we buy nothing from you) floodgates with China in the early 90s I knew it was bad news and it was.

The fact that these amoral assholes have learned nothing from our misery is somehow not that surprising.

learned something.

NT!

Fears would dissipate quickly once we see actions that generate jobs, in America, which in turn stabilize every aspect of America, for jobs pay taxes. No jobs = no taxes = economic quagmire in America = no more pay for the congresscritters and even the leaders because there will be no money = global economy in a quagmire too.

It's all intertwined.

Jobs with lower pay mean Americans won't work or care about the work they do (bankers have already used the same excuse when hearing talk of "executive pay caps"...)

Wages in X part of the world are not liveable wages in Z part of the world. Until there is a one world government and one TRUE world economy, this gross abuse for short term profit for a few will continue, and that will readily harm India once their newfound executives bleat that India is too costly and will find some other country to use.

Why not bring up EVERYONE's quality of living instead of this sheer state of decay?

We're all in this together.


And, trolls, flame away. :*

I don't think I like the one world government and economy idea. I see you're addressing the right problem with the right intention, but there are far too many pitfalls in that approach.

Here's a whacky idea that seems reasonable to me: why not establish labor exchange rates? These would be similar to currency exchange rates, and would be based on the cost of living of the worker's permanent home. I'm not sure exactly how it would be set up, but seems possible. Perhaps a central global entity could oversee it.

Maybe the corporation would hire a worker, pay them a resonable wage for where they come from, then either pay the difference to the centralized exchange commission or receive the difference from it, depending on whether the worker came from a cheaper country or a more expensive country.

Obviously there would be a lot of difficult issues to resolve, but I really think it could work.

and it's financial sucide

plain, and simple

Maybe we should outsource YOUR job to a H-1B visa holder, and see how you like it.

The IT industry has been decimated by those who believe it's just not okay to actually hire an American that gets paid a living wage in this country.

I'm done with Hill, and if Obama supports this bullshit, I'm done with him, too.

:mad:

hired Hillary (and dozens of Clintonites) and she reports to him. If she was acting on her own, without his agreement, she'd be out on her ear.

Unfortunately, though, it's becoming more and more clear: If it's progressive, if it's anything that's actually good for the country or good for people who are unemployed, it's not coming out of this administration.

...that fucked up the economy -- and you're still hoping?

He, and every other crooked liar we're fooled into electing, DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU.

>DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU<

The next person that gives me the "only been in office five months, pony, bla bla bla" is going to get it with both barrels. I really like Michelle Obama. I like the fact she puts her money where her mouth is. It's too bad that her husband can't seem to keep his promises, and when he's guilted or reminded into doing so (Re: THE DOG, FOR GOD'S SAKE,)he gets huffy.

One more time, for the cheap seats: I did not support HRC, either.

I just wish globalization was about true expansion and prosperity for all instead of this stupid game of "three card monty" where the yellow knobby thing gets palmed so you lose every time anyway.

What choices! Of course, after Tuzla, we knew she was a liar.

H1-B is bullshit. Nuff said...

At the fundraiser hosted by Dr Rajwant Singh at his Potomac, Maryland, home, and which raised nearly $50,000 for her re-election campaign, Clinton began by joking that, 'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,' after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab.

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/06/dpunjab_funny_d.html


And I'm not sure where this is from:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/memo1.pdf

Apparently, politicians spout one piece of crap after another. I don't see myself donating another dollar to any politician. This last go round taught me lessons I will never forget.

NT!

...oh wait...

I swear, the more I watch this crap the more I think Pete Townshend and Roger Daltrey were right..."meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

Talk about giving the people who put you in office the finger!

Wasn't Hillary originally a member of the Young Republicans in college? I couldn't stand her before the election because she's been in cahoots with Tata Consulting and others; she is pro-offshoring and doesn't care how many Americans die because they can't find work to support them. :mad:

why on earth, are we doing this, in a depression?

n/t

The 'recovery' applies to corporate profits and wall street. Which is who the chessmaster and madame Clinton represent.

it was fair game, as she actually introduced herself as that (a senator should NEVER introduce themselves as from anywhere but the state that elected them)

SCORE - Sikh Council on Religion and EducationMay 17, 2005 ... Washington May 18th - “I am delighted to be the Senator from Punjab as well as from New York” said Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and the ...


the memo

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/memo1.pdf

I'll wait for the Obama administration's actions on the Grassley legislation -

and HRC does speak for the Obama administration, btw.

Until then this thread is just another excuse, judging from many of the replies, for DU to engage in it's favorite pastime of Hillary hate...

her support of outsourcing and H-1b is indisputable

I don't care whether a politician has a "D", "R", or an "I" following their name.

and not about the Secretary of State?

Who is speaking for the President?

I really don't know what I could add to that

one should assume that whatever policy the SOS sets out comes from the President, and the name of the SOS is irrelevant.

which gets us back to the point I made in my first post - many of the attacks on this thread are on Hillary Clinton - when they should be against the SOS - and through the SOS - on President Obama.

are the remarks she make yesterday inconsistent with her positions on these issues that she took in 2007?

2007 'I also want to reaffirm my support for the H-1b visa program and to increase the current cap'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOW0cUaGWZU

Clinton's free-trade advocacy is hitting labor where it lives - Competition helps both sides, she says. A Buffalo deal yielded a few jobs.
By Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writer
July 30, 2007

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_d9PxlbCXrxA/RuyouHU0hII/AAAAAAAAAAc/eB1_hnP758g/s200/Hillary-Tata+Smooch.jpg


BUFFALO, N.Y. — To many labor unions and high-tech workers, the Indian giant Tata Consultancy Services is a serious threat -- a company that has helped move U.S. jobs to India while sending thousands of foreign workers on temporary visas to the United States.

So when Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) came to this struggling city to announce some good news, her choice of partners was something of a surprise.

Joining Tata Consultancy's chief executive at a downtown hotel, Clinton announced that the company would open a software development office in Buffalo and form a research partnership with a local university. Tata told a newspaper that it might hire as many as 200 people.

The 2003 announcement had clear benefits for the senator and the company: Tata received good press, and Clinton burnished her credentials as a champion for New York's depressed upstate region.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/30/nation/na-buffalo30

But less noticed was how the event signaled that Clinton, who

then I'm sure that would have been her message in this most recent speech.

That you bring up her position in 2007 proves my point - this thread is just an excuse to DUmp on HRC.

Her position in 2007 is not relevant to her current job. If you want to dump on someone over her recent speech, dump on Obama, since he tells her what to say now.

"That you bring up her position in 2007 proves my point - this thread is just an excuse to DUmp on HRC."

first, you say that she's only representing her boss

then, when I prove she's had this position in 2007 (and truth be told she's had it a lot longer), you claim that I'm just bashing Hillary? that makes no sense at all.

Truth be told, I couldn't care less about personalities - I care about issues - and H-1b screws middle class American citizens HARD - I damn whoever I find supporting this garbage, period

"Her position in 2007 is not relevant to her current job. If you want to dump on someone over her recent speech, dump on Obama, since he tells her what to say now"

her position in 2007 proves that her track record (prior to reporting to Obama) is IDENTICAL to what she says today

.....and yes, Obama's position on H-1b SUCKS, I've criticized him for it on this site

I criticize whoever supports it, when they support it

:fistbump:

you completely missed my point

ps - I wasn't necessarily referring to you on the bashing Hillary part

Just askin'.

:shrug:

:shrug:

Clinton allays fears on outsourcing

Clinton's speech came as a breather for business houses both in India and US who were sceptical after Obama's speech on outsourcing

Hardnews Bureau

Laced with IT jargon, US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, called for an upgrade of Indo-US relationship to "version 3.0" while addressing the Synergies Summit in Washington to mark the 34th anniversary of the US-India Business Council.

Underlining the importance of the civil nuclear deal as a cornerstone in the India-US relationship, Clinton said, "The nuclear deal, which was completed through the efforts of former President Bush, removed the final barrier to broader cooperation between us. And, that brings us to today. We find ourselves at the beginning of a third era. I'll call it US-India 3.0."

She set the agenda for her New Delhi visit when she said, "The new governments in Washington and New Delhi will build this future together, and we will be discussing the details of that partnership when I visit India next month."

She pointed out that three successive United States administrations from different parties have identified the US-India relationship as a foreign policy priority. "For the United States, this is a project that transcends partnership and personalities, and I believe the same is true in India. When the US-India nuclear deal passed the United States Congress, it had strong bipartisan support, including backing from two former senators named Barack Obama and Joe Biden, as well as a senator from New York," she said.

A month prior to her visit to India, Clinton stressed that the world's oldest and largest democracies - Indian and US - must move to the next stage of relations. She said that both countries needed to catch up with growing people-to-people and economic linkages that have developed between Manhattan and Mumbai or Boston and Bangalore. "We see India as one of the few key partners worldwide who will help us shape the 21st century," said Clinton.

Contrary to Barack Obama's rhetoric of "no to Bangalore and yes to Buffalo", Clinton said, "The word about India has obviously spread. People know what kind of business and investment opportunities are there."

She added, "You see, a funny thing happened on the way to this third era of US-India relations. Our scientists and business people, our universities and movie studios and vibrant, Indian-American, personal-familial connections accepted the truth - that cooperation between our countries can be a driver of progress - long before our policymakers did."

Clinton also pointed out that the trade between the two nations has doubled, since 2004, and now exceeds $43 billion. There are over 90,000 Indian students studying in the US and that bilateral cooperation between the two governments must catch up with "people-to-people and economic ties". She also said that the partnership between the two capitals - New Delhi and Washington - should be "advanced and fruitful" as linkages are already established between Manhattan and Mumbai, or Boston and Bangalore.

Assuring businessmen in India and US, Clinton said, "President Barack Obama has been clear that that the United States has learned the lessons of the past. We will not use the global financial crisis as an excuse to fall back on protectionism." She also stressed that the two countries should begin negotiation on bilateral investment treaty soon. Final barriers to broader cooperation between the two countries have been eliminated post Indo-US nuclear deal, she averred.

Clinton's speech came as a breather for business houses both in India and US who were sceptical after Obama's speech on outsourcing, learnt Hardnews. There would be more clarity on the matter when Clinton visits India to promote Obama administration's moves to strengthen ties with New Delhi.

http://www.hardnewsmedia.com/2009/06/3021

Nobody.

I'm kidding...

They are nice guys and are great at following a flow chart... but ask them to improvise a solution to a problem and you might as well forget about it.

That's why whenever you call Bangalore for helpdesk support you get to run through the same 15 step procedure over and over until you finally get routed back to the states.

Companies that specialize in outsourcing are specializing in garbage product. We've been having a lot of guys from India come through to learn how to do some of our work... it's only a matter of time.

But I console myself with the fact that I'm not alone... it won't be long before we're all living in huts made of "recycled" material we found at one of the only dumps that wasn't under 95 degree water ;)

NT!