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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:07 PM Original message |
Report: Boy in Custody Battle Wants Brazil, Not NJ |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. Irrelevant. He is going thru the same thing that Elian Gonzales did. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Is that really a law? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
33. When Mom died, he should have gone to Dad either way. n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
61. Third party custody is possible in the US |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. But the test is the Best interest of the Child, AND the assumption that is with a parent |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Oops, never mind. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
64. Ding! |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. The kid has basically been abducted. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Yep. n/t |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Why can't he have a say in it? n/t |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. "Hi dad! I know I'm not even related to these people, - |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. "In 2004, Sean's >>>>mother |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Yes, in childbirth with her second husband. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. ooops |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. 's-ok! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
59. He might feel as though leaving Brazil is also leaving his mom. n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
62. The stepfamily is not evil just because they are Brazilian. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. The law matters most. The child was abducted and has no blood relatives there |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
50. Uh.... |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. And of course, who could blame him |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
74. Perhaps a promise to move away from Jersey? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. How sad for the dad. |
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bkkyosemite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. The kid is brainwashed! |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
70. The kid is NOT brainwashed.... |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Eh... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Eh....he was with his mother. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. So you can't be kidnapped by a parent? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I'm sure he loved her before she "kidnapped" him. |
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Abacus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Anyone willing to take a child from his father under the guise of a vacation |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. once he is in NJ he wont want to go back to Brazil |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Why not? |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. i would like to visit Brazil |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
30. I agree that he should be sent here. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
63. What he wants is definitely to be taken into consideration |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Yep he really is. He is a pawn in a game played by stepdad |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Sorta like Elion Gonzales from a few year back |
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. Background |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
55. Yeah, "stripped of it" because it started under false pretenses. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
11. He's only 9 years old and has been there for FIVE YEARS. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. This is a tricky one |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. But even under Brazil's law, I doubt the child could have been adopted by the stepfather |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Depends on legal steps taken while the mother was alive |
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countmyvote4real (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
17. The biological father should hear that from his estranged/abducted son. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. He can afford a 5 year legal battle, but not a ticket to Brazil? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. He has, when they let him see him. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Thanbks, I didn't realize there was more info. n/t |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. For some reason, this case has intrigued me. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. There's no info in the link that anyone has prevented the father from seeing the boy. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. I don't make any comparisons to Elian - that's the media. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
56. I think Elian's story was MORE simplistic than portrayed in the media |
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bkkyosemite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. The boy is nine and has been totally influenced by the stealers of him. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
51. Or his kidnappers should hear from the estranged father... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
19. Hell, who wouldn't? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
31. What's up with Dad for Mom to flee with the kid like that? |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. That's an excellent point. He may be an abuser. n/t |
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mackerel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. There is nothing to indicate that the Father was or is an |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Good GAWD, what a smear based on absolute ignorance of the facts! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. That doesn't answer the question of why the mother left with the boy. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 06:06 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. and maybe the mother just missed her country and culture |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Wasn't there a case with an Egyptian mother... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. There are hundreds of out-of-country child abductions similar to this one |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #40 |
80. Maybe she was lonely for home and she already had someone on the side.... |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #36 |
54. All this happened after the fact. Still no word on why she took him and left. n/t |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Perhaps after she met a wealthy and powerful... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Father is Jewish, while the late mother was Christian, as is the step family |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I doubt that. They were married, after all. |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 05:49 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. "I suppose it's possible to read a religious context..." |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 06:17 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. A religious dispute between the parents doesn't fit the available facts. |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. That is not the law |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #31 |
60. International marriages are particularly difficult |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
71. or maybe mom was tired of Jersey and jumped when she had the chance |
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brendan120678 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #31 |
81. Yes, it is so OBVIOUSLY the father's fault that this woman... |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 05:59 AM Response to Original message |
42. Stockholm Syndrome |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
45. sadly he doesn't know his biological father and that is probably a bigger reason |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Makes sense to me... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
49. Well, yeah. He probably barely knows his bio dad |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
53. Does this remind anyone else of Stephen King's Storm of the.... |
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Sigh Sister (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
57. Here's the website started by David Goldman and/or supporters |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
67. Stepdad is a lawyer. Child has no blood relation to his abductors |
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Tikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
73. You ever been in one of these!!! They fight over your head... |
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