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sisters6 Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 10:06 PM
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In Poll, Wide Support for Government-Run Health
Source: NY Times



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print


June 21, 2009

In Poll, Wide Support for Government-Run Health
By KEVIN SACK and MARJORIE CONNELLY

Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind one of the most contentious proposals Congress is considering, a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

The poll found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector.

Yet the survey also revealed considerable unease about the impact of heightened government involvement, on both the economy and the quality of the respondents’ own medical care. While 85 percent of respondents said the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt, 77 percent said they were very or somewhat satisfied with the quality of their own care.


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Across a number of questions, the poll detected substantial support for a greater government role in health care, a position generally identified with the Democratic Party. When asked which party was more likely to improve health care, only 18 percent of respondents said the Republicans, compared with 57 percent who picked the Democrats. Even one of four Republicans said the Democrats would do better.

The national telephone survey, which was conducted from June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan — something like Medicare for those under 65 — that would compete for customers with private insurers. Twenty percent said they were opposed. ....................

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print



Congress has the people behind them--yet they are giving up crap.
We ALL need to make an effort to contact ALL our congress people PLEASE -send them this poll.
They are just filling their campaign coffers for the most part!!

And yes--get the White House's case also.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 10:07 PM
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1. 538.com's analysis of several such polls...
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 10:33 PM
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2. Ya know, at this point I would rather nothing done than what I............
............think we're going to end up with.
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:01 PM
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3. We are the change we voted for in November
I support HR 676 after seeing what is called quality health care in TN & VA where clearly Profit Care is more important than Patient Care. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:02 PM
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4. So much for
"American public does not want a government run health system" Heard many times by any GOP and some Democrats in congress and media.


Say what?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:15 PM
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8. It's a question of what you mean
This survey is on having a public option with private options as well - that is not a "government run health system".

The NYT identifies the crux of the problem with regard to single payer:

"While 85 percent of respondents said the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt, 77 percent said they were very or somewhat satisfied with the quality of their own care. "

People buy that there is a problem that is big enough to justify major changes, but many want theirs to stay the same.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:04 PM
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20. Even if there were no private options, it would not be a govt-run health care system. With
Edited on Sun Jun-21-09 12:12 PM by No Elephants
govt-run health care, the govt owns the hospitals, hires the doctors, etc. Being proposed is a government run payment system, like Medicare, not a government run health care delivery system.

GOP language choices are almost always made to smear and obfuscate, not to describe accurately.

And no, people don't want their health care payment system to stay the same. They want to keep their freedom of choice as to doctors and hospitals, which no one is proposing to take away anyway. But, they want their health care insurance to be cheaper and they don't want to be denied lifesaving coverage when they get really sick, as private insurers often try to get away with. And they don't want their fellow Americans either depending upon emergency rooms, which raises costs for everyone, or dying for lack of care.

As usual, IMO, the Republicans are doing a great job with propaganda and the Democrats are doing a lousy job.

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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:15 PM
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21. Very well said.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:43 PM
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24. Exactly, you are entirely right
both on what the phrase would mean and on the politics. The Democrats need someone to articulate this - the way you did in the second to last paragraph.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:25 PM
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32. YES
They love confusing 'socialized medicine' with socialized INSURANCE.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:04 PM
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5. Medicare for all NOW.
It's now or never. And most of us know it.


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gdebs Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:51 AM
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15. health care
Business likes health dare attached to jobs because it makes changing job more scary.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:19 PM
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22. Good point. Welcome.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:06 PM
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6. This is News???? Seriously, NYT, this is why you all are failing
We've wanted this for a long time. And they are surprised by this finding?

Jeez....look at these numbers. 50% of respondents who are Republicans said they support this!!!
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:09 PM
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7. We need to take to the streets for Single Payer. This is about life and death!
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:08 PM
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25. There can never be single payer.
We have such a complex health care infrastructure (more like chaos).

But as one of the most, if not the most, ineffient healthcare "systems" in the world we would have to figure out what to do with the approximately 10% of the total work force (and that's 10% of the TOTAL work force, not 10% of the healthcare workforce) that would be thrown into unemployment by a suddenly efficient and effective healthcare system.

For instance a well run public system such as in Canada, France, or Germany requires only 1 administrative staff for four patients whereas we require two administrative staff workers for every one patient (insurance workers, salesmen, marketers, accountants, etc). Thus to go to that kind of system would simply throw absolutely huge numbers of people into the workforce at a time when unemployment is already very high (in fact we would almost instantly end up with an unemployment rate of about 20% instead of the current 9 (soon to be 10)%

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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:14 PM
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26. then let's see if we can make EVERYTHING
grossly inefficent.

maybe we can get unemployment down to zero.

:sarcasm:

me thinks if your job is dependent on gross inefficency and harm, even death to others, maybe you should consider another job.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 09:39 AM
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33. Hey, I didn't say it was right--just reality,
Europe was extremely lucky in an ironic sort of way with their health care system. Their entire infrastructures, government, business, and hard infrastructure was virtually wiped out. This made it very easy for them to start from scratch on their systems.

In some ironic way we would have been better off having a depression instead of preventing it as far as being able to get what we want. FDR came into office at a time when things were so bad that he was much more easily able to convince the country that radical things had to be done.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:19 PM
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9. 72% want a public option. Where are the Democratic fighters in the Senate who support us?
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sisters6 Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:30 PM
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10. They are too busy adding $ to their campaign coffers.
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syberlion Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:12 AM
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13. Fight the Pharma and AMA $$ with phone calls and letters
The reason they do what they do is because you have to have money to run, and you have to have money to get votes (advertising). So, when you call as the voter, you know the person they need all the money to get, you are short-circuiting the process. When you call, be nice, be polite and just let the staffer answering the call, you are for single payer health care. Polls only mean so much, when the congress person and your two senators get a phone call from an actual voter, that counts big time!!! So, use the toll free phone number 1-877-762-8762 and ask for your 2 senators and your one congress person and let them know, it does make a difference.!!!
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sisters6 Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:44 AM
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14. Oh , I have. But I get back nothing.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:05 AM
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16. 87% of Democrats support it
Why don't at least 87% of Democratic Senators support it?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 10:15 AM
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17. The answer to your question is no.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:18 AM
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11. Rec. #4
Republicans want a weak America with sick people. Single-payer would lead to a strong America.

Republicans are happy that 100,000 Americans die each year, due to lack of healthcare.

For a strong America and a moral America, not to mention a first-world, civilized America, we need single-payer healthcare. It's as "communistic" as the single-payer fire and police protection.


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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:37 AM
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12. single payer should be the only option; greed needs to be taken out of health care.
I don't give a damn if health care is 17% of the GDP; it shouldn't be half that!
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:53 PM
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29. I agree with you - I want insurance companies OUT of important decisions
Edited on Sun Jun-21-09 01:53 PM by mvd
I find it hard to believe that 77% of people across the U.S. are satisfied with their coverage. If THIS sample supports the public plan that much, then the public option must have lots of support, despite the misinformation I still hear from people.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 08:57 PM
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31. 77% of the people can't be paying attention. The health care industry.........
has done a superb job of instilling the fear factor in THOSE people to be WITHOUT their screw'em good health care programs. Americans are basically wimps that allow BIB business and BIG government to bulldoze them while they standby.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 11:13 AM
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18. Is there anyone we can donate to that will run attack ads against Democrats who
try to stop an effective government run option? People like Chuck Schumer and Max Baucus?

This should be the kiss of death for them, but hardly anyone seems to realize that there are Democrats as well as Republicans trying to kill effective health care reform. Attack ads should be running already.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. Leadership Conference for Guaranteed Health Care=a coalition of groups seeking single payer. This
is the website. http://guaranteedhealthcare4all.org/

Happy volunteering/donating!
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 11:18 AM
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19. This should prove that we don't live in a democracy
what the majority wants has NO influence on the criminals who "represent" us. This is a corporate run state, it's plain to see.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:41 PM
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27. Gregory and panelists on MTP this morning were saying that polls show Americans more concerned about
the deficit than about health care. I'd love to see that poll analyzed, but Democrats need to start doing a better job on pr.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:30 PM
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30. If Democrats do nothing on the public option that would be doing a better job!

Just a slight exaggeration.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:46 PM
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28. K&R
Take notice, Senate.
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