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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 08:44 AM
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Scientology leadership rife with physical violence, report says
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 09:37 AM by Judi Lynn
Source: Associated Press

Scientology leadership rife with physical violence, report says

http://www.latimes.com.nyud.net:8090/media/photo/2009-06/47629852.jpg

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One former church executive said he saw David Miscavige, above, strike staffers at least 100 times.

Former high-ranking executives tell a newspaper that church leader David Miscavige hit staff members and encouraged others to do the same.
Associated Press
June 22, 200

Clearwater, Fla. -- The leader of the Church of Scientology struck subordinates numerous times and set an example for physical violence among the tightly controlled religion's management team, four former high-ranking executives told a newspaper for a story published Sunday.

The executives, who have since left the organization, told the St. Petersburg Times that they witnessed David Miscavige, chairman of the board that oversees the church, hit staff members dozens of times.

"It was random and whimsical. It could be the look on your face. Or not answering a question quickly. But it always was a punishment," said Mike Rinder, who oversaw the church's legal and media relations operations. Rinder said that he was struck many times by Miscavige and that he also hit others before leaving in 2007.

In a response to the paper, the church denied the allegations, saying that the four former executives' statements were "absolute and total lies." It called the claims an effort to tarnish Miscavige, who has led the church for more than two decades. A spokesman said Sunday that the church had provided documentation that the claims were false.

Marty Rathbun, who served on the church's board and was a top lieutenant of Miscavige's, said Miscavige often ordered him to attack others.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-scientology22-2009jun22,0,3670242.story
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 08:47 AM
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1. Just spotted a Scientology commercial on CNN this morning
From its tone, you'd guess that they're totally reasonable and un-crazy.


Sounded more like a car commercial than anything else, though.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:51 AM
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8. DID TEY MAKE THEMSELVES "CLEAR" ?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 08:47 AM
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2. The important thing is, did he strike them SILENTLY, to avoid giving them engrams? n/t
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 08:47 AM by Ian David
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:06 AM
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4. LMFAO
Priceless, for those who know about Scientology.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 08:50 AM
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3. I bet Jim Ward comes up with a good bit about this for The Stephanie Miller Show! n/t
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 01:48 PM
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16. You mean....
Tom Cruise jumping up and down on the couch going "NONONONONONONONO!" :-)
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:10 AM
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5. Just Freedom of Religion
I am sure he will be defended by "Freedom of Religion" and the best lawyers celebrity money can buy. Disgusting.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:35 AM
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6. Who is their all supreme being that makes their organization a religion?
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 11:31 PM
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20. Not necessary
See "Buddhism."
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:05 AM
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7. K&R #4, for, FINALLY, an enemy in common!1
Although I'm sure that Scientologists would consider the LA Times a biased source!1
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:57 AM
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9. I can't believe they ever got tax free status. This isn't a church.

It's a scam.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 11:53 AM
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10. I believe the correct term is "they were smitten".
Or some such bullshit.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:17 PM
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11. Wrong quote
In the bible, people tend to smite themselves, then rend their garments presumably Schwarzennager-style.

Last time I did that at the office they sent me home to change.

Damn these new mixed fibres - they won't rend properly. It's time to have a mixed-fibre protest outside of Walmart.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 01:16 PM
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15. Go back and read the old testament, TrogL. The god of Israel regularly smote the Philistines
and other enemies of Israel. In other words they were smitten. Of course, before they were smitten the god of Israel had to smite them.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:38 PM
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12. I wonder if Tom Cruise hits anyone?
I don't think I'd take abuse from a midget.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:44 PM
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13. LOL...the rumor is that his character in "Tropic Thunder" was based on Miscavage
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mattfromnossa Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:43 PM
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19. Tom Cruise joke.
I don't think I'd take abuse from a midget.


Good one.
:eyes:
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:59 PM
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14. It's not just the LA Times
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 01:19 PM by juno jones
Here's a link to the anonymus/chanology site Why We Protest, in case anyone wants to follow this discusion in depth.

WARNING: anonoymus and chanologists use bad language and say amazingly offensive things to each other from time to time. But their research is generally pretty good.

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/312-st-petersburg-times-expose/sp-times-scientology-article-wildfire-spreading-47864/

Another thread dicussing the implications of scientology's retaliating with threats to open 'classified' files on exes and current sci's. Blackmail. All the bloody 'church' has is blackmail. What are your crimes?

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks-legal/osa-publicly-threatens-all-ex-scilons-de-classifying-their-pc-folders-47874/


PS, on edit: Thru various google bomb-type activities, they have kept stories about the physical abuse of members up in the top few google hits for the subject of scientology. This strategy might just be starting to pay off, as the media begins to pay attention and 'lurks moar'.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:29 PM
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17. Sounds a lot like the religious leadership in Iran
You know, the one Chavez says we're "staining" with criticism.
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 07:29 PM
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18. Focus on the Family, too
with their God Rod to beat the wife & kids.....
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 12:09 AM
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21. Don't these allegations of hitting
surface every few years? I seem to recall reading this before.
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