Narcotic injection killed Jackson, family members say

Source: Raw Story


Narcotic injection killed Jackson, family members say
By John Byrne

Published: June 26, 2009
Updated 1 hour ago



Update: Jackson toxicology results will take 6-8 weeks, says coroner

Michael Jackson died after being given a shot of a powerful narcotic which he was receiving daily, according to the blog that first reported news of his passing.

“A close member of Michael Jackson’s family has told us Jackson received a daily injection of a synthetic narcotic similar to morphine — Demerol — and yesterday he received a shot at 11:30 AM,” TMZ reported Friday.

“Family members are saying the dosage was ‘too much’ and that’s what caused his death,” they added.

Read more: http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/26/report-narcotic-injection-killed-jackson/

all kinds of speculation and theories running rampant for the next few weeks. We'll see what the autopsy reveals. Even then I'm sure that won't satisfy the conspiracy theorists.

This will be like the death of Diana. It will take on a life of its own and there will be reams written about what 'really' happened.

Why couldn't it have been Rush instead?

Given that Rush would essentially have to OD himself. With a Demerol injection - it's all in the drs hands.

...and sprinkling them over a 10-gallon pan of deep-fried lasagna covered in fudge sauce.

Like you, I had no proof, but it seemed highly likely.

I've only know two people who were addicted to Oxy, and both eventually started snorting it. One died.

...I never knew that people could (or would actually snort it).

That's very sad.

I do listen to rush from time to time. He started losing his hearing before, and
his speech was slurred. As you may know, this is due to the oxy abuse. Rush
got the surgery to improve his hearing, but I've noticed that his speech seems
to be reverting back and sounds like he did before the hearing surgery. He's
kinda slurring and his show isn't as fluid as it usually was.

Rush mentioned that caller info and questions were written on a screen--when he
couldn't hear their voices. You could tell something was slightly off--because
there were unnatural delays in the flow of the show. Some of that stuff is back
again.

Lots of kids. I read a town paper stating it killed more people in the last few years that a series of illicit drugs combined (including heroin). Yes, its more widely available.

You have to have experience with large farm animals for that sort of thing.

If they set the gun to "brontosaurus" that might slow Rush down a bit.

:rofl:

O8)

Very bad karma. Just want him (and a host of other right wing pukes) to lose all credibility and fade away.

or at least it couldn't be determined that there was something obvious that would have caused this

strange events getting stranger

nothing untoward.

So it looks like an OD, and if he was a long-term addict, as is being reported, his liver enzymes will show it.

Jacko - what an ignominious end................

A 50-year-old having a coronary? He was immensely rich so health care wouldn't have been a problem. If I were a gazzionaire, I would have been getting major checkups twice a year. Something causing a cardiac arrest could have been diagnosed earlier and treated.

I figured there was more to this story than simply a 50-year-old just dropping dead.

I hear he only weighed 110 pounds and ate only one meal a day. That isn't what I'd consider healthy. His doctors and his enablers really screwed up.

Anorexia is very bad for the heart - it's what killed Terry Schiavo.

...without the drug addiction. Jackson really was taxing his heart.

Plus, he was working out many hours daily, with Lou Ferrigno, preparing for his tour.

His ticker just got tired. So sad.

after hearing it was cardiac arrest - the anorexia. On top of what ever other god forsaken drug regimen he was probably on. I'm sure there's some kind of MD involved here with all kinds of noxious remedies.

Frankly, I think this is going to be more Marilyn Monroe than Princess Diana. Or Judy Garland.

I've read it on here but haven't seen it corroborated. If he was working out and not eating he was an accident waiting to happen anyway. That Demerol shot was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Rehearsals for the concert twice a day, plus workouts with Lou Ferrigno.

Heap anorexia and narcotics on top of that and it's really no wonder why he dropped dead.

Combination of "what did he do know" and anorexia finally caught up with him. RIP

middle-aged men drop dead from coronaries even when in great physical condition.

He sure could get the best medical care money could buy. Unfortunately he didn't get it.

Why would he need an injection? Why would he need pills?

Why is that doctor missing?

was he ill?

I don't know if that's true or not, but it might explain the shots if he did have it.

edited to add: I've also read he had several injuries through the years and had become addicted to pain killers.

in remission. But who knows really?

Addiction to prescription pain killers?

:hide:

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin'.

Celebrity doctors.

Commoners are likely to get a big fat no on excessive pain medication from their doctors (unless they are doctor shopping) but celebrities pay to never hear the word no. Or at least their attendants of various sorts see them as their cash cow and make sure they get what they want, often to the point of killing them.

"Inflammable means flammable? What a country!!"

seeing clips of him being escorted by people trying to hold him up, told me he was taking heavy drugs.

Jackson was in pretty good shape physically, was he not? He wasn't overweight, he danced and should have gotten plenty of excerise because of that. He was always a skinny little guy...it sure doesn't seem like he'd be a good candidate for a sudden heart attack.

I wondered if he'd taken something when I heard the news.

People who control their weight and do not appear to be obese can have internal fat surrounding vital organs. Although it cannot be seen with the naked eye this fat can be as deadly as the more obvious and easily seen external fat. Research has shown that "as many as 60 percent of men and 45 percent of the women with normal BMI scores (20 to 25) screened who were externally thin had dangerous deposits of internal fat."

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2007/05/14/25076.aspx

A recent study "suggests that a surprising number of overweight people — about half — have normal blood pressure and cholesterol levels, while an equally startling number of trim people suffer from some of the ills associated with obesity."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26143255/ns/health-heart_health/

You cannot judge heart attack risk based simply on exercise levels and measures of obesity. Heart disease is far more complex. Other relevant factors include stress, cholesterol and trigliceride levels. While weight can influence these factors so can genetics and various environmental and lifestyle factors.

I'm not saying that weight and physical activity are unrelated to heart health - but it is definitely simplistic, unrealistic and uninformed to judge heart health only on such factors.

Sheesh! :eyes:

which assumes and implies that skinny active folks don't (or ought not) get heart disease whilst those who are overweight do (or perhaps should?).

An observation that reflects sterotypes not entirely based on facts and an observation which reinforces bigottry toward those who are less than skinny.

An observation that IMHO cannot be described as either informed or progressive.

From what I've read, sudden cardiac arrest is not always related to physical conditioning--and in fact is rooted in the electrical aspects of the heart function. The heart is more or less driven by electrical impulses that trigger a contraction or a heartbeat (that is how pacemakers work.) Cardiac arrest can happen as part of a heart attack, but it can happen independent of one as well.

Something else to keep in mind about heart attacks, is that people with a very lean body can and do have heart attacks--and cholesterol levels in the blood are not accurate predictors. If there is arterial plaque and it ruptures a clot forms and that is what blocks the blood flow to the heart. There really IS no way to predict when a plaque will rupture, even IF there are things that may predispose a person to having them.

Sorry to burst your bubble.


Laura

Rumors have abounded that Jackson had some kind of heart trouble. Speculation is pointless until the toxicology report comes back. Thin men in their late 40s and early 50s commonly have sudden cardiac arrest. Weight isn't a good indicator of how blocked ones coronary arteries are.

David

almost totally blocked.

We didn't know it could happen like that. When we got the call he'd been found dead in his bed, we assumed drugs even thought he wasn't known to do drugs.

The autopsy clearly showed a heart attack and that he'd had a previous one within the year before he died. His coworkers told us that he'd had sever "indigestion" for a couple of days six months before he died.

But the, he hated doctors and I can't imagine that he would've every gone to a doctor. If he had, they might've found the cholesterol problem and perhaps arterial damage.

Now being skinny is dangerous to your health.


(Breitbart.com)

Health experts have long warned of the risk of obesity, but a new ... study warns that being very skinny is even more dangerous, and that slightly chubby people live longer.

People who are a little overweight at age 40 live six to seven years longer than very thin people, whose average life expectancy was shorter by some five years than that of obese people, the study found.

"We found skinny people run the highest risk," said an associate professor at Tohoku University's Graduate School of Medicine who worked on the long-term study of middle-aged and elderly people.

"We had expected thin people would show the shortest life expectancy but didn't expect the difference to be this large," he told AFP by telephone.

"There had been an argument that thin people's lives are short because many of them are sick or smoke. But the difference was almost unchanged even when we eliminated these factors," Kuriyama said.

Main reasons for the shorter lifespans of skinny people were believed to include their heightened vulnerability to diseases such as pneumonia and the fragility of their blood vessels, he said.


Cher

Probably not. I will wait for the toxicology report.

In the mean time, let the feeding frenzy begin!!!

:popcorn:

dunno if its true but... the doctor was doing CPR already, trying to revive him.


Michael Jackson 911 Call

Leaked: 1 hour ago

Reported by TMZ.com as the call to 911. Audio only. ~

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=38c_1246041415

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naloxone

Vets carry it. They don't give you demerol, I don't think, come colonoscopy time without a dose standing by. Could the doc have been that stupid so as not to have some on him? Maybe. Believe me, I'm not defending the guy. But rich, rock star junkies--those without personal docs--have been known to have some around just in case.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-overdose-demerol-morphine-dies-dead/

"Interestingly, Jackson wrote a song called "Morphine" in 1997. One of the lyrics..."

"Demerol. Demerol. Oh God he's taking Demerol."

Everywhere I checked the lyrics to this song have been taken down so we don't know the full context of this lyric within the song.

Sorry I can't remember where I saw this, but I have read elsewhere that before he died MJ managed to make only 3 of 45 scheduled rehearsals in the LA area leading up to his 50 performance engagement in London.

He got flat baby
Kick in the back baby
A heart attack baby
I need your body

A hot kiss honey
He's just a bitch baby
You make me sick baby
So unrelying

I'm such a swine baby
All down the line daddy
I hate your kind baby
So unreliable

A hot buzz baby
He's one of us baby
Another drug baby
You so desire

Trust in me
Trust in me
Put all your trust in me
You're doin' morphine

Hoo!

They got place baby
Kicked in the face baby
You hate your race baby
You're just a liar

Your every lick baby
Your dog's a bitch baby
You make me sick baby
You soul survivor

She never cut from me
She never cut baby
I had to work baby
You just a rival

Always to please daddy
Right up and leave daddy
You're thorwing shame daddy
So undesirable

Trust in me
Just in me
Put all your trsut in me
You're doin' morphine

Go'on babe

Relax
This won't hurt you
Before I put it in
Close your eyes and count to ten
Don't cry
I won't convert you
There's no need to dismay
Close your eyes and drift away

Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol

He's tried
Hard to convince her
To be over what he had
Today he wants it twice as bad
Don't cry
I won't resent you
Yesterday you had his trust
Today he's taking twice as much

Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Hee-hee-hee
Demerol
Demerol
Oh my Oh God it's Demerol
Hee
Oooh

Oh!

He got shit baby
Your dog's a bitch baby
You make me sick baby
You are a liar

Is truth a game daddy
To win the fame baby
It's all the same baby
You're so reliable

Trust in me
Trust in me
Put all your trust in me
She's doin' morphine

Hoo!

You just sit around just talkin' nothing
You're takin' morphine
Hoo!
Go'on baby
You just sit around just talking about it
You're takin' morphine
Hoo-hoo!
Just sit around just talking nothing about it
You're takin' morphine
You just sit around just talking about it
You're taking morphine
You just sit around just talkin' nothin'
And takin' morphine

Hoo-hoo
I'm going down baby
You're talkin' Morphine

Go'on baby!
Hoo!
Hoo!
Morphine!
Do it!
Hoo!
He's takin' morphine
Morphine!
Morphine!

in my head. :cry:

And that song was written over 10 yrs ago, I think? So sad.

He never found peace in this life, that's for sure.

the 911 call is interesting to listen to, in this light:

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_audio/062609_michael_2.mp3

Jackson 911 Call Transcript: ‘He’s Unconscious, Not Breathing’
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By Peter J. Brennan

June 26 (Bloomberg) -- The Los Angeles Fire Department today released an audio recording of the 911 call from Michael Jackson’s home in Bel-Air, California, to the city’s emergency response dispatchers. A transcript of the call, which runs 1 minute 59 seconds, follows.

Dispatcher: Fire Paramedic 33, what is the emergency?

Caller: Yes, sir. I need to, I need an ambulance as soon as possible sir

Dispatcher: OK sir, what’s your address?

Caller: 100 North Carolwood Drive., Los Angeles, California. 90077.”

Dispatcher: Carolwood?

Caller: Carolwood Drive. Yes.

Dispatcher: OK sir, what is the phone number you are calling from sir and what actually happened?

Caller: We have a gentleman here that needs help and he’s not breathing. He’s not breathing and we need, we’re trying to pump him but he’s not, he’s not.

Dispatcher: OK, OK. How old is he?

Caller: He’s 50 years old sir.

Dispatcher: OK. He’s unconscious. He’s not breathing?

Caller: Yes. He’s not breathing sir.

Dispatcher: And he’s not conscious either.

Caller: No, he’s not conscious sir.

Dispatcher: OK. Alright, is he on the floor? Where is he at right now?

Caller: He’s on the bed sir.

Dispatcher: OK let’s get him on the floor. OK Let’s get him down to the floor. I’m going to help you with CPR right now, OK?

Caller: We need.

Dispatcher: We’re on our way. I’m going to do all I can to help you over the phone. We’re already on our way. Did anybody see him?

Caller: Yes, we have a personal doctor here with him, sir.

Dispatcher: Oh, you have a doctor there?

Caller: But he’s not responding to anything, he’s not responding to CPR or anything.

Dispatcher: Oh, OK. We’re on our way there. If your guys are doing CPR as instructed by a doctor, there’s a higher authority than me. They are on scene. Did anybody witness what happened?

Caller: No. Just the doctor sir. The doctor has been the only one here.

Dispatcher: OK, Did the doctor see what happened sir?

Caller: Doctor did you see what happened sir?

Doctor: (Unintelligible)

Caller: Sort of. You just, if you can please.

Dispatcher: We are on our way. I’m passing these questions to the paramedics while they’re on the way there.

Caller: He’s pumping, he’s pumping the chest but he’s not responding to anything, please.

Dispatcher: OK, OK we are on our way. We’re less than a mile away. We’ll be there shortly.

Caller: Thank you sir.

Dispatcher: OK sir. Call us back if you need anything.

Caller: Yes sir.

To contact the reporter on this story: Peter J. Brennan in Los Angeles at pbrennan3@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: June 26, 2009 17:53 EDT
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Sudden death, initial exclamations of "oh, he was so young, but a heart attack can happen to anyone"

Then, the story slowly leaks out - addictions, live-in doctors, massive daily doses of drugs.

Sad. MJ should have been aware of the dangers. And his family and friends should be ashamed for letting this go on for so long.

And whoever pushed the barrel of that syringe needs to rot in hell. Or better yet, drop them from a low flying plane down into the middle the of a group of mourning fans.

It all comes down to MJ's weight (and, of course how much oxy was in him). Exactly HOW much did he give this 110 pound person??? For non medical people, it comes in increments of 25 mg
. As a nurse, I've seen the lowest 25 mg cut in HALF for smaller bodied patients. Wonder if there was phenergan mixed with the Demerol? We usually pre mix them in a syringe to stop Demerol related nausea...which would also add to sedation.
Why am I having horrible thoughts that someone gave him more than 75 mg of Demerol??

According to reports, Jackson has been addicted to Demerol for at least 20 years. Eventually, the human body will expire from all that abuse.

They mention Dilaudid...which makes it clearer why the words "synthetic morphine" are being floated in this OP's article...pretty sure they were hinting at hyrdomorphone (Dilaudid). It's 8 times stronger than regular morphine.

It was the drug of choice for patients who were hooked on hydrocodone at home when they would be admitted to our hospital. They wouldn't take the hydrocodone in the hospital because the docs would write for Dilaudid in a heartbeat.
Forget Demerol..no, no, they had to have Dilaudid. Right up til they were being sent out the door for discharge they wanted Dilaudid.

twice a week, 2 mg. I live for those days. Those few hours are the ONLY time I'm out of pain. And I take Oxycontin and Oxycodone at home for regular pain control.

...but they leave out all the details, such as the fact the driver was drunk, driving 100mph on a curving mountain road, in a rainstorm, while fighting with another passenger in the car.

That, metaphorically speaking, I think is what's behind all this: Maybe it was the injected narcotic...but it was that on top of the handfuls of other pills he was taking, on top of what's been reported to be an 'eccentric diet', on top of massive stresses and anxiety, on top of trying to relaunch a career that takes form as a dance & song style that most people half his age wouldn't manage.

I had an uncle suffer an infarction at age 48 (he's just 4 years older than me). No reason, he wasn't a smoker...just one day, boom. He went into a coma and never woke up.

All I'm saying is that even if the toxicologists and coroners come to agree that the Demerol or Dilaudid were the top causes, there was a lot more going on in Mr. Jackson's life to contribute towards poor cardiovascular health.

what physical problem did MJ have?

lupus and there was something else (apart from the skin condition issue). I forget.

... I gotta say my money was on an accidental overdose right from jump street... he had a lot of problems.. I hope he finally finds some peace.