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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 12:42 PM
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Han Chinese Launch Revenge Attacks on Uighur Property
Source: The Guardian (UK)

A new wave of violence hit the capital of the Chinese region of Xinjiang today as thousands of angry Han Chinese rampaged through Urumqi, many smashing up Uighur stores and seeking vengeance for Han deaths at the weekend.

China protests: 'It's a huge wave of violence' Link to this audio The authorities swiftly imposed a curfew on the restive city in an attempt to quell what the government has already described as the worst riots since the foundation of the People's Republic 60 years ago. Police attempted to disperse today's mob with teargas as they headed towards a predominantly Uighur area, but many were still on the streets armed with whatever came to hand: wooden staves, iron bars, metal chains, nunchuks, shovels and axes.

Rioters smashed Uighur restaurants, threw rocks at a mosque and threatened residents of Uighur areas, although moderates in the crowd attempted to restrain them.

"They attacked us. Now it's our turn to attack them," one protester told Reuters. Another said: "We're here to demand security for ourselves. They killed children in cold blood."



Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/fresh-protests-break-out-china



The official death toll was at 156 as of yesterday.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 12:45 PM
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1. And Now We Know WHY there Are Uighurs in Gitmo
Boy George was doing Poppy's business buddies a favor.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 12:52 PM
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2. Its good to see the supposed Chinese fiscal stimulus working so well
If you listened to CNBC over the last couple of months they made it sound like China's economy was back to full health.

They wouldnt have been lying, would they?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 06:14 PM
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4. The govt controls the industry,themedia, the internet and all the guns
Edited on Tue Jul-07-09 06:17 PM by ohio2007
Found this pic a bit amusing actually. ( you know has all the Dirty Harry movies on video ) ;)



A Chinese police officer holds his gun near a demonstration by Uighur residents in Urumqi



But the Chinese govt controls the real weapons while the expendable Barney Fifes keep the peace. I'm sure the 30+ million unemployed #'s will be shrinking

when we pay off our debt .... lol









http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1198035/Chinese-riot-police-use-tear-gas-quell-protesters-violence-flares-again.html

"You gotta tell em Hatcher !
Soylent Green is made of people".
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 05:47 PM
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3. Chinese mob armed with meat cleavers and iron bars take bloody revenge
Edited on Tue Jul-07-09 05:52 PM by ohio2007
Life as we know it enters the second decade of the 21st century



A Han Chinese man carries a spiked steel bar while using his cell phone to take photos as he joins a mob

of Han Chinese men attacking Uighur properties in Urumq




Chinese mob armed with meat cleavers and iron bars take bloody revenge on Uighurs

By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 5:20 PM on 07th July 2009

Han Chinese armed with iron bars, machetes and even spades spilled on to the streets today looking for Muslim Uighur targets two days after bloody ethnic clashes killed 156 and wounded more than 1,000.
Riot police used tear gas to try to break up protests in the capital of the Muslim region of Xinjiang and will enforce an overnight curfew. There were no immediate reports of deaths.
Hundreds of protesters from China's predominant Han ethnic group, many clutching meat cleavers, metal pipes and wooden clubs, smashed shops owned by Uighurs, a Turkic largely Islamic people who share linguistic and cultural bonds with Central Asia.

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The violence, which has showed signs of spreading in the volatile region, appeared to have little impact on China's financial markets. Stocks slipped on technical factors while the yuan was trading higher against the dollar.
Xinjiang has long been a hotbed of ethnic tensions, fostered by a yawning economic gap between Uighurs and Han Chinese, government controls on religion and culture and an influx of Han Chinese migrants who now are the majority in most key cities.
Beijing has poured cash into exploiting Xinjiang's rich oil and gas deposits
and consolidating its hold on a strategically vital frontierland that borders Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia.......

snip

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1198035/Chinese-riot-police-use-tear-gas-quell-protesters-violence-flares-again.html




btw

how is tha Afghan pipeline project to america comming along ?
:sarcasm:
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 01:02 AM
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5. What is this cryptic comment about the Afghan pipeline project?
Sarcasm too subtle for mere mortals.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 01:19 AM
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6. 156 is the "official" death toll per Chinese state media.
There's been no independent confirmation of this number. Initial reports had 3 people killed, and suddenly it transformed into 156.

I think there's more going on here than objective reporting of casualties. The Chinese media has started calling this the "7-5 incident," much like "9-11" or "7-7". Remember how China pressured the US to put a Uighur separatist group on the list of terrorist organizations? The Chinese government sees a benefit in portraying the Uighurs as bloodthirsty savages. Now they can claim that locking up 1,300 of them is reasonable.

After this, there will be even more oppression of the Uighurs, more destruction of their communities, more eradication of their culture. And now the local Han population has been so whipped into a frenzy that Uighurs not only have to fear getting locked up for no reason, but now also have to fear getting killed by their neighbors for no reason.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 07:28 AM
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7. They've learned a lot of PR tricks since the Tibet invasion
> The Chinese government sees a benefit in portraying the Uighurs as
> bloodthirsty savages.
>
> After this, there will be even more oppression of the Uighurs, more
> destruction of their communities, more eradication of their culture.
> And now the local Han population has been so whipped into a frenzy that
> Uighurs not only have to fear getting locked up for no reason, but now
> also have to fear getting killed by their neighbors for no reason.

The other thing to remember is that not only are Han the vast majority
of Chinese (>90%) but they are about 20% of the entire global human
population
.

Whenever there is a shortage of living space, the Han kill/enslave/displace
the "lesser" tribes further out and continue to propagate "the largest single
ethnic group in the world".
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 02:05 AM
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22. I don't agree with that.
I'd say historically Chinese have been much more peaceful than many others (Germans, Japanese, Romans, British just to name a few).

But the Chinese government's policies towards the Uighurs are Tibetans are despicable.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 03:22 AM
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23. I was talking about recent times, not over longer periods of history
I quite agree with you on the longer term but their behaviour
over the last century (or less) was what was on my mind.
Sorry that I wasn't clear.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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8. Ethnic mobs overrun Chinese city
Source: BBC

Urumqi is again under curfew. China began Tuesday saying it had the city under control, but a surprise interruption to a government tour showed that claim to be false.

As journalists stopped to view a burned out car showroom, hundreds of Uighur women poured in from side streets, shouting and wailing.

Old and young, some carried babies.

They seemed oblivious to the batons and guns of the paramilitary troops who had taken control of their neighbourhood.

"We don't want to fight," said one. "Please release our families. Almost all the men were taken away, hundreds of them, thousands of them! We believe in our police, we don't fight, please release our men."



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8139587.stm



religion dividing people?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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9. We live in interesting times
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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10. My money is on the Han.
I think that the Chinese federal government has been looking for a reason to clean up the western/swestern areas and might even be looking for an excuse to do a little crossborder shitkicking to keep Islam in its place (out of China).
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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11. "clean up"?. .
Those people have lived there a long time.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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15. And that means exactly what to the Chinese federal government?
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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14. Gotcha.....
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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17. what a cute little nazi thing to say
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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18. Very similar in significant ways.
When Hitler was still bothering to justify Germany's expansion, despite rejecting the rule of the royal families (except when it suited him) ancestral claims were employed. China also justifies its incorporation of the western/swestern provinces through ancient Imperial claims despite having purged the nation of the aristocracy who may have held those claims.

A significant similarity to the Nazis is the Chinese goal of purging the ethnic minority, but China has taken a somewhat different approach to this from what Hitler did. Hitler had no interest in stripping the Jews of their identity and assimilating them into his singular nation, he wanted them gone/dead. The Chinese model has been to send in large numbers of male soldiers, followed by large numbers of male workers, who then essentially genetically displace the undesirable individual identity with Chinese identity.

Since Islam is a problem for the Chinese government's goal of a unified identity, and because Islam is largely a male-identity, then the Chinese government's MO of sending in Chinese identified males to displace the undesirable identity would seem to be predictably effective in the case of the Uighurs. In one generation the benefits of Chinese nonislamic identity will outweigh any cultural affinity held by the youth and the plan will have been effective.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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21. Clean Up?
China wants to retain their Muslim population, which is visible in every large city. Chinese regard Xinjiang in the same romantic way Americans view the old West.

I belive the issues in Urumqi are similar to Tibet. China is promoting population growth and development by encouraging migration from other parts of China. Many migrants are Han businessmen looking for opportunities. The traditional residents start to feel crowded and envious of the newcomers, and eventually retailiate against them.

It's not a simple issue. Heilongjiang was settled relatively peacefully using the same policies. For that matter, most of the US was settled with federal encouragement. But it does have to be done correctly with respect for those who were there first.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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12. an "ethnic mob" of women & babies. . .
nice.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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20. Really
Who writes these stupid headlines, anyway?
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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13. I think it's more like the Uighur who have lived there for centuries are fighting for their lives.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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16. Democratic Peoples Republic of China. Riiiiight.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM
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19. China has been giving
the Uighers shit since the imperial days. Its a "problem" that has transcended governments, essentially a cultural thing I guess (Han against Uigher) People seem to forget that white people don't have a copyright on racism.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 06:56 AM
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24. July 5th video
China Xinjiang Urumuqi Deadly Riot

Viewer discretion is advised.

Riot happend on 7/5/09 in Urumuqi, the capital city of Xinjiang Province.

This video is released by Korean media, not broadcasted in China.

Terrorists attacked bystanders including children and women.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c9b_1247118161
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