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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:00 PM Original message |
7th grader and mom Anna Amador sue California elementary school over right to wear pro-life t-shirt |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. I hate censorship |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I'd be curious how the mom and daughter feel about the right |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. or a shirt with Jesus hanging upside down on a cross - the list goes on |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Or the rotting corpse of Jesus |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. In Los Angeles... |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. agreed |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. And then there are shirts where the color(s) and design are the statement |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. Our schools are this way. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
83. Pity nobody ever defines "disruptive to the learning process" |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
105. Key point...who makes the call. Its one of the problems that produced "zero tolerance" |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Schools have a dress code. Many schools also don't let you have |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Concur |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. the lawyer is an idiot |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. That is pretty much a direct quote from the Supreme Court case |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. why are dress codes allowed then? n/t |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Many have opt out options. In CA such options are required |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. In part because no one bothers to challenge them. |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. hmmmm |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Here's a start |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. thanks but im good |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. and what you are missing is: |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. you dont think thats a loophole for the school? |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Pure speech does not invade the rights of others. |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. hypothetically |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. That would be the pledge of allegiance scenario |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
106. The only one they can use is disruption, but the same pictures are in textbooks |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
89. Safety reasons on some issues |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
100. Free speech is not absolute. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. I hate deceptive advertising |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. Assuming this is not bullshit, the school administrators needs to get a grip. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. The kid and her family needs to get a grip, not hte administrators. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. The kids parents are holding and "open forum" to discuss it. |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. I think there should be a dress code in all public schools... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Well, yeah, I like that. |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. That's the perfect world. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
75. No, that's the intelligent, functional, discriminating, and considerate world. |
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mattvermont (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. Remember Tinker vs Des Moines |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. Schools have dress codes for a reason... |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Heck I would probably not be allowed to wear this kind of t-shirt |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
64. "Minors...are under the complete control of their parents." |
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brendan120678 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Most people I know support laws like that... |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
117. "Minors cannot consent to medical procedures" |
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DebbieCDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. "National Pro Life T Shirt Day" |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
57. Is Hallmark aware? {n/t} |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
91. Just a guess.... |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
14. I agree with the school |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
16. I want to wear a pro-masturbation shirt to school! n/t |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Let me know how that goes over |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. I would wear |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
19. there will never be a right answer - settle for a white shirt and blue pants/slacks/skirt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. In California, parents can opt out of school uniforms with just a signature |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
103. And that's the problem, go back to uniforms like I wore as a kid |
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BobTheSubgenius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
27. "The student doesn't forfeit her First Amendment free speech rights at the schoolhouse steps." |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. No, you don't forfeit your rights |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
82. I've always 'loved' the contempt for this particular ruling everyone seems to have |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
36. I think the school will lose on this case. |
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bc3000 (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. too bad |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. I find it really sad that on a liberal discussion board |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #47 |
69. I love the stuff at T Shirt Hell... |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #47 |
70. Agreed |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #47 |
107. We went through some of this hysteria at a local high school, the staff looked like idiots |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 07:14 AM Response to Reply #107 |
125. I'm actually pretty proud of my daughter and her friends |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
80. I *hope* the school will lose that case |
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subcomhd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:00 AM Response to Reply #36 |
123. hazlewood |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
42. I see the school's point about the pictures. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #42 |
119. Those pictures didn't stop students from learning. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Not necessarily. They do not spend the whole day "facing the front of the room" |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Seeing a t-shirt while walking down the hall doesn't stop someone from learning. NT |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 02:54 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. In a way, a grotesque t-shirt walking down the hall IS a learning experience |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
44. Yet another reason why schools should require uniforms |
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TheCML (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. Yep, its way easier to indoctrinate that way. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Yep, Australians are sure indoctrinated |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
81. And a net marginally freer than Iran's! (nt) |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
45. I'm with the school. It is disruptive. Period. nt |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Agree. n/t |
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ancient mariner (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. Unbelievable |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. "Stop the War in Vietnam!" isn't an attack on people's rights. The shirt is. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
102. Yes you can.... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
108. Not really, it expresses a viewpoint. Its not inherently sexist |
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junior college (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
48. Based on their dress code, she should be able to wear the shirt |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
51. School uniforms will fix this. |
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junior college (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I think that students of public schools should be able to express |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. The problem is that these kids are not necessarily expressing |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. True . . .and it's not like they're going to have any meaningful debate on the issue . . . |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Certainly my black armband, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Agree that the best course is enlightenment . . . |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. You are correct that it would be equally unconstitutional |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. The message I repeated for you . . . |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Just as there was no real guarantee |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
97. Of course, "God" didn't tell Nixon to bomb VN . . . but as we've seen with Bush . . . |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. You must have lived in a different part of the world |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. That's true . . . |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:12 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. I don't know the girl in this case |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
88. So you think |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Freedom of expression isn't about saying accepted things |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #55 |
67. The problem is that expression is a two way street . . . are we going |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. So to you, this isn't a decision kids can discuss or learn about? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Do you see the school introducing a program on enlightening these |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
118. I tend to not always agree with your posts, but I certainly do on this point! |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Are you serious? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
104. At least a dress code that uniformly bars clothing with any kind of writing or pictures |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Then the message gets more subtle but will still be there |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #109 |
127. That's a whole lot better than "I'm with stupid" or aborted fetuses |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
52. The last time I was in K-12 was 2003 |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
54. It's no worse than "Bong hits for Jesus" |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
110. Shirts with drugs, alcohol, sex, and firearms are specifically banned |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
61. posted in wrong place. ignore. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
65. T-Shirts showing the killing of Dr. Tiller by Scott Roeder . . . will that work? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
71. Students where I teach honor the Day of Silence |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
114. What if some student wore a "Straight Pride" shirt |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
73. School Uniforms |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
93. I have been saying that for years... |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I don't understand your post |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Implemetation of a uniform policy would be positive not negative..nt |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
85. Uh-oh. Someone is going to have to fill the Kindergartners in on where babies come from. nt |
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BigBluenoser (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
87. As someone who used to wear heavy metal T-shirts to school... |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. I got those same T's man...the CoF shirt is aswome...nt |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
90. So there should be no bitching if someone wears a Pro-choice T |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Well, that's the main point. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #94 |
112. Beacuse it might offend, hurt feelings, or lower a child's self esteem |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. I think a demand for affirmative messages is fine. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
113. Indeed |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
116. Could a kid wear that shirt, for example? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
96. Schools just need to enforce dress codes.. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #96 |
111. Current CA law does not allow mandatory uniforms. A school that tried to get around |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
124. I am against censorship but find rules on graphic shirts at school reasonable |
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126. The fetus is naked. And since fundies say it is a person, then the image is that of a naked person. |
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