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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 07:54 PM Original message |
Chavez: Venezuela to buy more tanks over US threat |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. They did great in GW1 and 2, great idea.. |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Agreed |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
59. The Russian Tanks, when used properly, did well in GWI and GWII |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. More air to surface and anti-tank missiles will be a big help, PLUS |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Hi Indiana – I didn’t recognize your new image/icon/thingie. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. This would be really laughable if the $$$ were not needed for domestic programs in Venezuela |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Chavez would be derelict if he allowed Venezuela to go the way of Iraq |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. How could anyone seriously think Obama is going to invade anywhere in Latin America |
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Sezu (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. lol but if he does, Chavez better have a |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 05:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
35. After Obama is out the door |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
78. good point. Cheney's left behinds are already sniffing Vzla's oil fields. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
41. indeed one only needs to reflect on the long history |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. Huge presenece? |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #17 |
47. Decades ago you even needed congress for a war, but those times are over it seems |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:19 AM Response to Reply #17 |
48. thats what i was thinking, above it looks like some serious belief that |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
61. Right. The US typically backs coups instead of invading. |
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ro1942 (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. thanks for your comments |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
37. This is not directed at the US, it is pointed at neighbors.. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Colombia, where we have spent over 2B this decade on military aide. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:00 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. No, every modern weapon we use |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. that is just nonsense |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. To a point... |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
62. So, then, why do we need seven bases in Colombia? |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
39. Well, if Venezuela invades Kuwait, we might go in |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
84. "This would be really laughable if the $$$ were not needed for domestic programs in Venezuela" |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. Wonder how many he will give the Columbian rebels? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Tanks require support infrastructure and open country/road. No use to FARC |
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SeriousEbony (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The will need time to grind off the serial numbers first |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Did you know that the Colombian insurgency has been raging for 50 years? |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Thanks. I didn't know that. |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. "All you know is" - you have no clue as to what I or anyone else knows. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
34. Thanks for the reminder. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
56. That is your spin on it, there are others... |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. who knows.... |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
12. Tanks are useless without air superiority |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
31. The Shah put his tanks to work intimidating HIS OWN POPULATION. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
75. You presume a US attack, consider if he decides to do more saber rattling at this neighbors? |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
13. Well... |
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clixtox (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Perhaps, as a country with oil resources in the ground, he is paranoid... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. Old Soviet junk. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Soviet tanks are not junk...just not up to the latest MBT standards. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. What's the ground like? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Varies, but over all, not really |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Right you are. |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Tanks in general are nothing to scoff at. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:05 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. True, but with a little training... |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
15. He is so smart. |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-05-09 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
16. omigod omigod omigod OMIGOD!!!!! |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
27. . |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
28. Oh, man, there's a job I don't want. |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
29. i told you guys he was nuttier than a fruit cake! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. You cant criticize christ che the water walker.. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:56 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. How is having an armed force equipped with actual weapons |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:03 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Not wrong, just stupid |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. Gee, maybe you should run for parliament there. |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Maybe you should go back to geography class, |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Simple |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. so if I understand your answer to why Chavez should not |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. No, the point is that you refuse to understand. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Oh they are buying other stuff too, like air defense systems |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. yeah this proves it |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #43 |
55. He is well over armed WRT to his neighbors and could never have enough to stand up to the US |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Don't let any facts hit you on the way out the door. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Looks at the hardware, not just the # in uniform...some "facts" are more important than others. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
33. Good move by Chavez, though deathsquads are the preferred US method. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
36. What US threat? Is Obama threatening Chavez again? |
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rabs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. You are jesting, right? But just in case you are not ... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:29 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. all you are doing is repeating Chavez's wild accusations n/t |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Its too bad B is such a stupid and ineffective... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
66. But Chavez will never be able to purchase enough weapons |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
52. Rec to try to undo the UnReKKK-ing but Huguito's UnReKKK-ers are impenetrable!1 n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Deleted message |
MinM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
58. Latin scholars recently bought an ad in CJR to out fabrications by AP |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
60. I notice Chavez does NOT mention what Russian Tank he is looking at |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Interesting analysis but the problem is you are looking at it practically |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. So far he's asked for.... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Hmmm, not sure where you got your data |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 05:54 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. The Russians have many more systems.... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Again, the details are important, |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I'd love to have a conversation. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
65. Time to invade Mexico. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
72. Laughable. |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
76. This is a pointless waste of Venezuelan money. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
80. He's just being PRUDENT... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. They serve no purpose against the US military |
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