Dems call on GOP to denounce Limbaugh ‘Nazi’ remarks

Source: JTA

WASHINGTON (JTA) The Democratic Party called on the top Republican Jewish lawmaker to repudiate Rush Limbaugh after the radio host likened Democrats to Nazis.

"Rush Limbaugh's comparison of the Democratic Party to the Nazi Party in World War II is as disgusting as it is shocking," said a statement Thursday from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "Limbaugh's use of the Nazi swastika in attempting to make a tasteless political comparison has no place in the public discourse. Just this past weekend, Minority Whip Eric Cantor said that the GOP 'needs' Mr. Limbaugh. He should immediately condemn Limbaugh's hateful rhetoric in the strongest possible terms and encourage Republican Members to do the same."

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Limbaugh launched his attack Thursday after U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) decried the use of swastikas by protesters at town hall meetings aimed at explaining Obama administration health care proposals. Although it is clear from Pelosi's remarks that she is not likening the protesters to Nazis -- she is instead decrying how the protesters liken Democrats to Nazis -- Limbaugh accuses Pelosi of likening Republicans to Nazis.

"She's running around now claiming that we're Nazis, that not only are we an unruly mob but that people are showing up wearing swastikas," he said.

Limbaugh then makes a case for Democrats being close to Nazis, citing as examples a truck driver who in 1997 appeared in Congress to back a Clinton-era tax plan and who as a a teenager had tattooed a swastika on his arm. Limbaugh also says the symbol for the Obama health care plan resembles Nazi imagery.

Read more: http://jta.org/news/article/2009/08/07/1007093/dems-call-on-gop-to-denounce-limabugh-nazi-remarks

about effin' time:eyes:

...lest they feel the drug fueled wrath of the pigman

nice projection there pill boy!

This, crap from limpballs is getting old and so is the "I'm shocked, it's beyond the pale, it's disgusting" replies coming from the Democratic officials. Everyone knows that it's the norm, it's not shocking and it's the same shit on a different day. Why bother telling people you "DEMAND" and apology even though everyone knows that there won't be any apology coming. Pretending to be shocked all the time is getting almost as dumb as the daily idiocy from the yammering RW AM radio crowd.

What I'd like to see a Democratic official come out with following one of oxyrushes little rants is something along the lines of...
"The defacto leader of the republican party has come out with another idiotic screed that will be eaten like candy by his lemming followers on the minority side of congress" Bonus points if the Democratic official followed that up with "Rush Limbaugh and any who agree with him can go fuck themselves".

Yeah, I see the resemblance, except for the part where there's a swastika. I find that without the swastika you just don't get that Nazi look. Call me old-fashioned, but when you want to look like a Nazi, you've gotta go all the way with the old "crooked cross". Can't have it any other way :eyes:

Let the regional party get more regional-ly.

the Republican Party condemned or apologized for one of its own? Every time the Democrats get all indignant about another libelous rant by Jell-o Boy they just look wimpy. And then, every fat ass, thumb sucking self-indulgent and self-loathing ditto head gets a new fix of the daily hate.

of the ousted party to call the dominate party "nazis".

I'm glad that never happened when the situation was reversed.

You do know that WORDS HAVE MEANING.

Look at the Nazis, what they stood for, what they espoused.

Compare their stances with those of the Republican and those of the Democrats.

Who resembles who?




I CALL THE FUCKING PUKES NAZIS BECAUSE THAT IS WHO THEY ARE. You, trying to draw a moral equivalency between Limbaugh calling Dems Nazis, and some of us calling Limbaugh and his craven crowd nazis


You aren't worth the fucking trouble.

to say otherwise is just absurd.

No one is advocating the mass execution of millions of people based on their physical characteristics.

Trying to claim any major party today is like the nazis is unfair to them, and does a great disservice to the millions of dead left in the wake of actual nazis, and those that survived their reign of terror.

The nazi era is not something that should be made light of. Any more than people should make jokes about any genocide, even to score temporary political points.

Nazi ideology (wiki);
"Hitler's political beliefs were formulated in Mein Kampf. His ideology had three main thoughts: a conception of history as a race struggle influenced by Social Darwinism; antisemitism; and the idea that Germany needed to acquire land from Russia."

I haven't seen either party advocating these things as a national course.

"Nazism has come to stand for a belief in the superiority of an Aryan race, an abstraction of the Germanic peoples. During Hitler’s time, the Nazis advocated a strong, centralized government under the Führer and claimed to defend Germany and the German people (including those of German ethnicity abroad) against Communism and so-called Jewish subversion. Ultimately, the Nazis sought to create a largely homogeneous and autarkic ethnic state, absorbing the ideas of Pan-Germanism."

That would be hard, as few republicans fit in the aryan mold, or are german, or are pro-german at the expense of everyone else (including the US).

they are degrading the meaning of the word so it will have no resonance.

It is basic propaganda.

And they are not doing it because they don't understand what Nazism is - but because they know EXACTLY what it is.

Are democrats liberal or not? Is there ANYTHING liberal about the Nazis? Who supported them in Germany? The socialists? The communists? Or was it the conservatives and the Church?

Here's a great little exercise. Take a sheet of paper and make three columns. Label them

Nazi Republican Democrat

Then fill in the blanks under each column with various political and social identifiers, such as

Conservative
Liberal
Secular
Religious
Prejudiced
Racist
Inclusive
Exclusive
Militant

Continue with whatever political descriptors you like. Fill in wherever they apply. Some may fit all three columns. Some only one, or two.

I GUARANTEE there will be a strong correlation between the Nazi and Republican columns that you will NOT see with the Democrat column.

These people are calling Democrats Nazis because they have to make sure people respond to the WORD rather than the CONCEPT. Just as they degraded the word 'socialist' to mean "anything that is not American", they want to disconnect the word 'Nazi' from the precepts of fascism, allowing it, also, to mean "anything that is not American". By their twisted definition, fascism and socialism are the same thing - that way THEY cannot be called fascist for their very fascist agenda.

Just as they are trying to evade the 'racist' label by accusing Dems of being racist, they are trying to evade the fascist label by calling Dems what they themselves are.

What you are doing is comparing what is going on today to the END RESULT of the Nazi madness.

But even the Nazis were not Nazis in 1929, or 1934 even.

The Nazis came to power by shouting down their opponents. By the acts of a few radical thugs murdering people they didn't like. They used lies and propaganda, fear, racism, and

"Hitler's political beliefs were formulated in Mein Kampf. His ideology had three main thoughts: a conception of history as a race struggle influenced by Social Darwinism; antisemitism; and the idea that Germany needed to acquire land from Russia."

Big whoop. So, because we are not living in central Europe in the first half of the 20th century, there is no comparison?

Is the ultra-christianism of the radical right much different? Look at all the revelations of The Family that we've seen over the past few weeks. How are they different? Exceptionalism, social darwinism, virulent 'christianity', and the idea that the US is the 'City on the Hill' meant to rule the world.

WHAT'S THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE?

What is Blackwater, but the SA? What are the anti-democratic protestors shouting down all discussion, assaulting politicians from the other side, but the Brownshirts?

Do you really think the RW pundits are just 'comedians'? Well, in 1929, Hitler was 'just a buffoon'.

Wake the fuck up.

The fact that the word "nazi" is thrown around so cavalierly is disturbing.

Do you even know ANYTHING about who the Nazis then, and NOW, are?

Do I have to provide my bonafides by supplying the names of those limbs of the family tree that were extinguished?

It is BECAUSE of the Holocaust that I insist that fascists like Limbaugh and Beck be exposed for what they are - because it CAN happen here.

What is disturbing is that the danger can be so cavalierly dismissed, in the name of political correctness.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN EMBRACING NAZI IDEALS FOR THIRTY YEARS.

Racism. Hyper-religiosity. Exceptionalism. Militarism. Corporatism.

Look at the 14 Points of Fascism

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

and tell me they DON'T describe the Republican party.

And Obama is Stalin. Hyperbole is ridiculous.

The republican party has transformed itself into the fascist party. They are WAY beyond conservatism.

Dismissing the danger only allows it to fester. There may not be an American Hitler yet, but there is fertile ground for him in the Republican party.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

READ the link, above. Where is the hyperbole?

about Dems. "They're turning into full-blown communists!" There is little truth to either statement.

You are dismissing it without examination.

Are you sure you haven't attended any of these town hall meetings? :shrug:

You're damn RIGHT I'm angry. And I have every reason to be.

READ THE FUCKING LINK.

Then tell me, point by point, how the Republican party today does NOT match up with at least 10 of the 14 points.

Then demonstrate how the Democratic party DOES match up, effectively invalidating my thesis.

But you won't. Because to do so you would have to READ THE FUCKING LINK.

Here it is again, for your convenience:

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

I'm eagerly waiting for you to dismiss it again.

Wow.

You're right, the real Nazis are those who argue civilly, don't believe in demonizing their opponents and attempt to tolerate and understand opposing viewpoints (just like hitler).

Progressives, such as yourself, who believes everyone who isn't with them is the enemy, who believe in shouting down the opposition and screaming invective at anyone who dares voice a different opinion and is willing to write off millions of fellow countrymen as "the enemy" because they don't agree with his policies; you are definitely not-nazi like in the least.

Nope, if there's anything the Nazis stood for it was attempting to understand the other side, and refusing to denounce their opponents as evil. That's what they are remembered for, their extreme, fringe, lunatic attempts at understanding and tolerance.

Type in "Democrats are communists" in google and please answer the bajillion articles that pop up. Its all hyperbole either way. If this was about single payer, then maybe I'd be a tad more concerned, but since this is about a giant give-a-way to health insurance corps, I'm too busy to be bothered.

"...since this is about a giant give-a-way to health insurance corps, I'm too busy to be bothered."

Actually, THIS is what it is all about -

"U.S. Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.), who founded the Institute on the Holocaust and the Law, called on Republicans to denounce Limbaugh's comments.

"The Holocaust taught us that silence in the face of evil expression becomes acquiescence to evil," Israel said. "And what Limbaugh said is pure evil.""

Like I said, I'm not too concerned with the latest corporate heist. They're so commonplace these days.

Its not as if you can defend supporting Limbaugh in any case.

when the SS comes to get you. Please post pictures.

from this I can conclude that you are one (at least, according to your logic).

You're also a witch, since you haven't proven that you aren't one.

evidence.

Me, I CAN provide evidence that Limbaugh is at the least a Nazi sympathizer (as I have already done).

when you are accused?

When it's rush being called the nazi he must prove himself innocent.

When it's you being called a nazi it's up to the accuser to prove that claim.

Do you really not see that?

to anyone who has heard him talk over the last 20 years.

He is a drug addled, racist, xenophobic son of a bitch. And there is plenty of documentation for it.

Don't like it?

sounds like you are a nazi as well. I'm not sure how we can ever believe anything you say.

even one stitch of legitimate evidence.

Why haven't you, if you have 20 years worth to work with?

For instance, I know you are a pedophile, I have tons of documentation, I won't show it to you, or explain what it is, so you'll just have to trust me. But if you like I'll repeat it many times, in caps, with copious f-bombs, until you realize the truth.

they match all 14.

You claim everyone you dislike is a nazi, and if anyone disagrees with that assertion you begin screaming obscenities at them.

Out of curiosity, in what significant way are you different from Rush Limbaugh in this regard?

And I am not the one defending him.

ON EDIT:

A significant difference - if he was here I'd be screaming obscenities to his face. Like all bullies, he doesn't have the balls for confrontation.

He IS a Nazi. He is the US equivalent to Der Sturmer, spouting rascism and hatred for uncritical followers. He despises democracy.

If you defend him, you paint yourself with HIS brush.

and no amount of capslock will change that.

I don't think charges of nazism were thrown around as much in the 40s as they are today.

You must have some proof. After all, all I am going on is his spoken word - his racism, his ultra-nationalism, his bigotry, his disdain for democracy, his upholding the common values of fascism. He has not said "I am a Nazi". He has only agreed on air with virtually EVERY principle of Nazism and fascism.

Give me ANY evidence that he is NOT a fucking fascist.

Are you for real?

What proof do I have that you aren't?

Not that you can really prove a negative (prove santa isn't real!) but he has never mentioned killing all the jews and other "inferior" non aryan races. That's a key issue.

Besides one of the key policies once hitler took power was a massive expansion of government spending and programs, including social programs to boost the standard of living of the downtrodden german workers. He opposed animal cruelty strongly and was a vegetarian. Would you say those are right or left wing beliefs?

Point being you can find superficial attributes of any evil person in history and apply them to whoever you like. Doesn't mean the comparison is meaningful in anyway.

That doesn't 'prove' that I am not, but there is NO evidence that I am.

Limbaugh, OTOH, provides evidence every single day that HE is a fascist.

Every time he opens his mouth he speaks in favor of one of the following:

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

So, if you are so SURE he is NOT a fascist, were is the evidence to counter his own words? Where is his generosity to other races, other cultures, other nationalities? Where is his decrying of the purchase of the government by corporate America? Where is his concern for the doings in the house on C Street?

C'mon. You gotta have SOMETHING.

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You're arguing with a Left Wing Authoritarian personality who bows to authority and would like nothing more than to see you punished severely for your criticism so that everything can be rainbows and kittens.

"No one is advocating the mass execution of millions of people based on their physical characteristics."

You're right. The RW wants to execute millions of people based on their Islamic beliefs.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

implicating the actual republican party in wanting to "execute millions of people based on their islamic beliefs".

Sounds no different than those claiming once obama got in, he and bill ayers would start concentration camps for all his political enemies.

I tend to negate conspiracy theorists on both sides.

You really are thick, aren't you?

Ever listen to Michael Savage?

Look, I don't have time to go over the past eight years (My dogs are begging me to go outside and play).

I'll leave you now to lick the jackboots of your authoritarian masters.

is fascist? We should go with guilty until proven innocent, with the accusation being more than enough evidence to determine guilt. That that makes *me* the authoritarian?

Side with me in denouncing enemies of the state, so they can be "reeducated" or else you are a fascist! Sorry I missed todays 2 minutes of hate session.

and get back to me on that.

BTW: Are we in Iraq because of capitalist imperialism, or "bad intelligence?"

on this thread. So you define it.

Not sure where you're going with this.

BTW: are you still pissed that I asked for evidence? I'm sorry, I'm just not the lockstep type to follow orders, do as I'm told, and hate who the party tells me to hate. That makes me such a nazi. Bad jonq, stop being such a fascist free thinking, just follow along with everyone else.

because of physical characteristics. I said they were doing it because of Islamic beliefs.

You asked for a link. I gave you a term used by bush to describe our enemies. What do you think "Islamofascist" means?

God, you are stupid.

Please tell me you are joking.

You will only allow things that fit your world view to be entered.

No different from the birthers.

On edit: You didn't answer my question. Why are we in Iraq? Capitalist imperialism or "bad intelligence"?

your proof that rush limbaugh wants to kill tens of millions of people for their religion, is that he said "islamfascist".

That's it.

That is the entire summary of your "argument". I wish I was leaving parts out.

But you are absolutely dedicated this idea, that is predicated on not one shred of evidence, and you become very indignant and condenscending when you are questioned on the most obvious flaws in it. And you call me "no different from the birthers".

Do you know what projection is?

I said bush said it. You remember bush, don't you? He was the guy that launched a war against a state that didn't attack us, that has resulted in the deaths of over 650,000 people.

But don't worry...

I thought this thread was about rush. Not some bizarre tangent you are trying to develop.

Anyway, my arugment stands, words do not make one a nazi.

Hell even if bush had said he hated all muslims that wouldn't cut it as he didn't even come close to setting up extermination camps.

I suggest you take a trip to germany and poland and tour the old death camps, talk to people who knew what went on there. Perhaps after being educated you wouldn't throw the term around so lightly.

is matched only by your ignorance and gullibility.

You're as thick as a birther.

repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true. No matter how many personal insults you throw in there.

I've asked for evidence that Rush is in fact a nazi (the original op) you've provided nothing that could, even generously, be labeled as such.

I'll assume you have no such evidence and so the accusation has no merit.

You're as thick as a birther.

while I look for concrete evidence to back accusations, you are content with the accusation itself. Just like the birthers.

Consider which description better fits the "birthers", as you seem to be obsessed with them.

A) Calm, cool, logical, unwilling to believe accusations and rumors merely because other people of the same political persuasion as them, skeptical, desiring hard evidence before believing the worst.

B) emotional, irrational, illogical, eager to believe any accusation or rumor based on the slightest evidence, or merely because someone they like said it. Don't need hard evidence, are willing to believe the worst immediately.

Think about it real hard, and get back to me.

If it feels like you're being set up to embarrass yourself, don't worry. You are being set up, but you've already embarrassed yourself plenty.

Why are we in Iraq? Capitalist imperialism or "bad" intelligence?

because Rush limbaugh is a nazi?

Either you believe that or you're trying to set up a strawman argument to steer the conversation away from the actual topic.

Which is it: insane, or deceptive?

It only proves you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

As it is apparent you have no understanding of political theory (and are a dumb ass in general), you wouldn't understand semiotic Marxism, where the state, controlled by the elites, becomes a hegemonic "educator", convincing the masses that imperialism is for the benefit of all (when in fact it only benefits the elites.)

For your edification:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6066098

Here's a few things to help you on your way.

http://www.dictionary.com

So you can figure out what the big words mean.

and



because your elevation of Holocaust survivors to a level of authority such that no other government could possibly compare to the Nazis, lest the suffering of the survivors be somehow denigrated, has blinded you.

I tire of you now. Go away.

You were in the position of proving the rush limbaugh has killed 12 million innocent people because of their racial characteristics, and as such you were in quite a bind.

So to compensate you turned immediately to insults, misdirection and conspiracy theories.

A very typical troll, and frankly boring. You follow the same pattern as every other one.

Come on, at least entertain me with your nonsensical rants.

agenda with The Family and in the military.

You know about The Family - it's been all over the news for the past few weeks (finally) with the house on C street where ultra-right repubs hang out.

How about the general calling the Iraq war a 'crusade'.

Blackwater - Erik Prince talking about wanting to exterminate the Muslims.

But of course, they are not the Republican party. They are only USED BY the Republican party. No bloody hands here.

Of course the jews are behind everything bad that has ever happened. No they're too careful to show any evidence, they hide their agenda of course.


"How about the general calling the Iraq war a 'crusade'. "

OMG! You're so right. That is no different than the holocaust, how could I be so blind!?!??!

I have to ask, is this is a long running parody you're doing of a lunatic fringe individual, or are you being serious? I'm going to feel kind of silly if I keep debating with what amounts to a parody of the far left.

they were all paged on their Jew beepers.

Sitting side by side down in fucking Texas to team up with the same talking points that DON'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE?

The Family - it IS a conspiracy. Read up on it.

The evangelicising of the military - there has been so MUCH published on it in the past few years that to not see it can only be a willful decision.

Acknowledging these facts does not make me a 'conspiracy theorist' any more than acknowledging that Booth & friends conspired to murder Lincoln. Some conspiracies do exist.

My question is, why, on a progressive board, do people defend the racist rants of Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck?

that Coke Zero and the Illuminati rule everything from the shadows. Get it together RaleighNCDUer.

You didn't answer my question.

Interesting pun.

I'd wager there is more written and documented on the Illuminati then The Family.

ripe grounds for fiction ever since.

Coe, and The Family, however are part of the modern landscape, and The Family does its best to hide its existence and its agenda - so naturally there is little public information available.

But it's there.

http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060559799

lest a casual observer be tempted to think you weren't unhinged.

The original intent of the thread was to decry Limbaugh's claims of 'Democratic Nazis'.

When the truth of the matter is, The Family and Coe and the Bush's and Limbaugh ARE the nazis.

Which is what I've been saying all along. Despite attempts to side track the thread with nonsense about New Coke and the Illuminatti.

And the fact remains YOU ARE STILL DEFENDING LIMBAUGH CALLING DEMS NAZIS.

I knew you were in on it, trying to confuse the issue.

Typical.

Why you are defending new coke working together with the illuminati and space nazis I have no idea. But frankly it's disgusting.

... that you said the guy you were arguing with wasn't worth the trouble several dozen posts ago.

Just sayin'.

Here is the meager list of info on the illuminati on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1249678368/ref=sr_nr_seeall_4?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywords=illuminati&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ailluminati%2Ci%3Astripbooks

about fascists in America. That includes Limbaugh, Beck and the group founded by Doug Coe known as The Family.

But of course, you don't want to talk about THAT.

Everyone knows that the Illuminati and Coke Zero are where the true power lies. Just look at how many books have been written about it!!!!

PS. The Family called me 5 minutes ago, said they've intercepted your transmissions and they're on the way.

YOU FUCKING NAZI!!!!!!!kl!!!!!@#

I figured you'd come on here and defend fascists like coke zero and the illuminati.

You probably didn't even know that we faked the moon land, on a set on mars, to draw attention away from the secret free mason base on the moon.

Some people just refuse to open their eyes.

I'm slowly coming to the realization that he was a......nazi!

Hey, many radio stations are transmitted via satellites now, satellites put in space by nazi trained rocket scientists, rush is on the radio, rush must be a nazi, it's all coming together now.

Of course so is NPR.

Hmm, that's a ponderer.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret

Rummy's biblical quotes

Call his sponsors and the stations that carry
this drivel. They are the only ones who can
get him off the air absent the imposition of
the fairness doctrine again by the FCC.

any mention of the very real ties between Nazis and the Republican party is strictly forbidden by the M$M, yet Democrats must waste time and effort in defending against this bullshit. KO can at least use the word 'fascism', that's a start.

It's not like the RW uses "The People's Radio" to spread propaganda to stir up the anger of the brownshirts, like the Nazis did.


Nope, not seeing the connection at all.

Let's see now -- what party did he belong to? His son? His grandsons?

Lets start with Ted and John Kennedy who's father was a Nazi sympethizer.

Lets stay focused ont he fact that rush and beck are stirring up crazy hate, and not get bogged down in this stupid old argument of who helped/supported the nazis.

After all, some of OUR greatest heroes are connected to gross misdeads.

pro-fascists because he was viewed to be too lenient toward the communists. The anti-communist ties to fascism are the real "elephants" in the room that no one dares talk about, and brings us all the way up to present day corruption in government. The Business Plot -> Project Paperclip -> secret anti-Castro operations -> Iran-Contra -> Neoconservatism and Dominionism, it all ties together.

you're about to be called a 'conspiracy theorist'.

regardless of how exactly he was killed, there were plenty of these people who were happy to see him gone.

after their support during the election. :shrug:

were part of anti-Castro efforts. This is the anti-communist (pro-fascist) connection.

though which is understandable considering what they lost. Who knows?

also Giancana felt double-crossed by JFK and RFK.

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