Like a complete unknown: Bob Dylan frogmarched to collect ID

Source: Daily Mail

Like a complete unknown: Bob Dylan frogmarched to collect ID after rookie policewoman fails to recognise scruffy music legend

By Annette Witheridge
Last updated at 10:50 PM on 14th August 2009

He has sold albums by the million and was the idol of the 1960s protest movement. But yesterday Bob Dylan discovered what it's like to be just a face in the crowd.

Police were called in a quiet seaside town after he was spotted freewheelin' down the street and apparently acting suspiciously. A 22-year-old female officer demanded to see his identification papers.

He assumed she would at least recognise the name if not the face. But she ordered him into the back of her car and took him to his hotel to check his story.

Then she radioed her older colleagues at the police station to ask if anyone knew who Bob Dylan was.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/bigbrother/article-1206617/Like-complete-unknown-Bob-Dylan-frogmarched-collect-ID-rookie-policewoman-fails-recognise-scruffy-music-legend.html

Bwahahhahaha.

Unbelievable. I'm not even a fan and it would have been an honor.

apparently! :rofl:

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

That she didn't know what vinyl was is of some comfort to me.

Is this where we old hippies start getting old - for real?

Of fashion, I mean?

When did that happen?

We've always been cool.

Now I'm just cool and confused............................

'are you a hippie?' - i asked her it depended on what she meant by that. she said hippies didn't care much about money, and were happy and helpful. so i said 'then i am a hippie' - i just had to know what her definition was.

:)

Some of us have fortunately remained so brilliantly immature, we have yet to comprehend this "old" business. And life goes beautifully and blithely on.

Welcome to DU, Ter......................

We are all as young as we feel. :)

TAKE A GREAT BIG BOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't take you anywhere, can I?

or maybe I'm thinking of a bedspread.

The tent, though, looks VERY familiar..........................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfF0uHekcc8

Lay Lady Lay, Bob Dylan


Damn...those were the days,



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

we were newlyweds, in the hippie world of Yellow Springs, OH.

With a big brass bed in our pretty faculty house, the big white Colonial with the back yard that led to a creek, where we lay on the ground on dark nights and watched the sky and knew we would live forever........................

My uncle taught at Antioch from 68 to 75....he is much farther farther to te left than I - did not know that it was one of the most progressive schools in the country - makes a lot of sense that he was there.

you'd find that it was THE most progressive school in America. Its leftist pedigree was impeccable. I was a student and faculty wife during that time, and my husband was - natch - on the faculty.

What was your uncle's name? It was such a little place, I'm sure I knew him.........................

:hi:

First heard in an old open air island house. Across the street was the ocean.

that's an incredibly loaded album, emotionally. Carries us right back.

I flip over Blood On The Tracks, Blond on Blond transports me, but Nashville Skyline owns my heart.

Will any of us ever smile like this again?

my new husband had been in antarctica for over a year and hadn't heard it. i put it on and it was totally warped. you can only imagine how unsexy it was.....lay lady laeyayea, lay across my big brass beyeeyed.....

we moved over to berkeley for grad school by the new year. those were the times....

I know I do.

associated w/ that song. Important songs are the milestones in our lives. Like Bridge over Troubled Waters the memories just come back in a flood and almost knock you over.

A warped "Lay Lady Lay" is far worse than none at all.

Still, doesn't it transport us all?

Those were, indeed, the times. And it'll never happen that way again. Weren't we lucky?

Wonder what he was doing that was considered "suspicious?"

:wow:

the "great flyover" that is the Midwest. :P

:hi:

Long Branch, NJ.

didn't look like he fit in. I say those residents shouldn't live down calling in the cops on him either.

Wow... just, wow. :wow:

He found out while staying at the Ocean Place Resort in Long Branch. Before taking part in a concert with Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp, he decided to take a stroll through the town's Latin quarter.

'Residents called to complain there was an old scruffy man acting suspiciously,' said officer Spencer. 'It was an odd request because it was mid-afternoon. But it's an ethnic Latin area and the residents felt he didn't fit in.'

:-(

hilarious.

did she grow up in a frickin' convent or something?

Really, I could understand this. Though it must have been very humbling to Dylan.

He seems to have a fine appreciation for the absurd.

And there I go, like everyone else, projecting my own assumptions onto Bob Dylan :)
That's just part of the man's genius.

despite being a fan since the 60s and having been to some of his concerts.

but once he mentioned his name, i would have for sure.

Wear a helmet!

Especially the reference to the complete unknown lyric.



What I find disturbing is that the cops can pick you up off the street and "Check your story" because some people think you look suspicious. Even if he wasn't Bob Dylan shouldn't he be able to walk along a public street if he is sober and unarmed? Since when do a group of people get to decide who visits their neighborhood? Maybe he had no I.D. on him?

Welcome to DU. Glad you're here. :)

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040621-115845-6435r.htm

Court backs police on showing of ID

By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The Supreme Court yesterday in a 5-4 ruling upheld a Nevada law that requires people to identify themselves to police officers or face arrest.
The decision puts new limits on constitutional rights by requiring people to cooperate with police officers even if they are not suspected or charged in a crime.
Privacy-rights advocates had argued against the law, saying the power gives police the right to force people to submit to fingerprinting or to divulge other, more private information.
Proponents, including the Nevada Supreme Court, which refused 4-3 to overturn the 2000 conviction of Larry "Dudley" Hiibel using the law, argued that identification requests by police were a routine part of detective work, including efforts to get information on potential terrorists.
Mr. Hiibel, a Nevada cattle rancher, was arrested and convicted on a misdemeanor after refusing to tell his name or show identification to a sheriff's deputy responding to a potential assault call.
Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, writing for the majority, said granting police the right to obtain a person's identification in the course of "a Terry stop serves important government interests." A Terry stop refers to a 1968 Ohio case giving police the authority to briefly detain and question a person to either confirm or deny a "reasonable suspicion" that the person was involved in criminal activity.
Also voting with the majority were Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that Mr. Hiibel "acted well within his rights when he opted to stand mute." Others who disagreed with the majority were Justices David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.
In the Hiibel case, the rancher was standing next to his truck along the highway when approached by a Humboldt County, Nev., sheriff's deputy, who demanded identification. According to a videotape transcript of the incident from the deputy's squad car, the deputy said there had been a report of a fight and repeatedly asked to see the man's identification.
When Mr. Hiibel refused, telling the deputy he would cooperate but had done nothing wrong, he was arrested. Nevada's "stop and identify " statute requires persons detained by an officer under suspicious circumstances to identify themselves.

I wonder when the "bar-code on forehead" will happen.

worked for the NAZIs

would actually agree with the liberal justices in this case - that is if you did not tell them who voted which way.

we lost a real liberal when Souter retired. I am not sure that we got an equivalent - or even close - in Sotomayor.....................

Bob is kinda hard to understand. The American version of Ozzy.

to walk down a public street?

Funny and very creepy at the same time.

More people in jail than any country's ever had.

:toast:

walk around without it, but as my cynical friend pointed out, it is another excuse for cops to harass you/possibly arrest you with...

My daughter and her friend were playing in the friend's front yard in Medford, OR when William Shatner came strolling down the street. (The original Star Trek was still airing in first run at the time.) The kids got all excited and ran up to talk with him. When they ran inside to tell the friend's mom their good fortune at meeting Capt. Kirk, the mom, who had been watching out the window, didn't even give them a chance to open their mouths before she yelled at them for talking to a stranger. Then she didn't believe them that the guy they talked to was a TV star. (We later verified that he was in town that day. The rumor we heard (unconfirmed) was that he had some relatives who lived in town.)

"He found out while staying at the Ocean Place Resort in Long Branch. Before taking part in a concert with Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp, he decided to take a stroll through the town's Latin quarter.

'Residents called to complain there was an old scruffy man acting suspiciously,' said officer Spencer. 'It was an odd request because it was mid-afternoon. But it's an ethnic Latin area and the residents felt he didn't fit in.'"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/bigbrother/article-1206617/Like-complete-unknown-Bob-Dylan-frogmarched-collect-ID-rookie-policewoman-fails-recognise-scruffy-music-legend.html#ixzz0OD2l8uOE

walking the streets or going to a coffee shop...it's a sad symptom of the times though..everyone is suspicious of everyone else

i met celebs when i was very young and am totally not in awe of them, and so when i see them i give them complete 'anonymity' and would have just walked on by him.

...she thinks you're talking about "Dylan Thomas" (whoever he was). :evilgrin:

...everybody must get stoned!

Signed, The Conflating Police.

I just discovered somebody's tapped my phone...

"So, does he fuck like Dylan?"

So much for the rumor of the "Irish curse". Then again, I guess you can make up in enthusiasm what you might lack elsewhere.

I was going to say at least he could write a song about it, but I think he has already written several that fit the situation like these lines fromm Tom Thumb's Blues, in addition to what original post had:

"Up on Housing Project Hill
It's either fortune or fame
You must pick up one or the other
Though neither of them are to be what they claim
If you're lookin' to get silly
You better go back to from where you came
Because the cops don't need you here
And man they expect the same."

-bd.

Good pick. How ironic!

Doesn't matter if you are sober and not making noise or harrassing people. You can be picked up because of just a feeling that some residents have that you 'don't belong' there.

But now that I think of it - for blacks and latinos and non-whites overall, this is not news.

I bet there's a good song coming ...

:sarcasm:

Well, they'll stone ya when you're trying to be so good,
They'll stone ya just a-like they said they would.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to go home.
Then they'll stone ya when you're there all alone.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

Well, they'll stone ya when you're walkin' 'long the street.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to keep your seat.
They'll stone ya when you're walkin' on the floor.
They'll stone ya when you're walkin' to the door.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

They'll stone ya when you're at the breakfast table.
They'll stone ya when you are young and able.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to make a buck.
They'll stone ya and then they'll say, "good luck."
Tell ya what, I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

Well, they'll stone you and say that it's the end.
Then they'll stone you and then they'll come back again.
They'll stone you when you're riding in your car.
They'll stone you when you're playing your guitar.
Yes, but I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

Well, they'll stone you when you walk all alone.
They'll stone you when you are walking home.
They'll stone you and then say you are brave.
They'll stone you when you are set down in your grave.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

God damn republicans are everywhere.

but never knew who wrote the notes.

and having fans.

Wonder if he felt differently during this incident.

At finally getting the anonymity he's always wanted.

:hippie: :smoke:

he asked me how the lift worked...in a hotel in Sydney. He didn't know you had to use your room keycard to get to your floor. Honestly-he is so tiny and was so covered up I only realised it was him when he spoke..!!

:P

I could understand her not recognizing him due to his scruffy appearance. But the fact that she went and radioed and had to ask who Bob Dylan was...well that is just fucking sad. :wtf:

kpete

Even I, who is born long after Mr Dylan was made his fortune, and famouse, I would reqonize that name if it ever came out everywhere.. He is after all BOB DYLAN... One of the most famouse stars still living from the 1960s.. Old yes, but not forgotten...

He was star when the Beatles, te Rolling Stones, Elvis and so one was big - and still he is big if you ask me.. Some of his music is rarher special, but as I have grown older, I would say a lot of his music is beginning to came to me, i understand it more...

Dam this Pinehead of a police officer, she would be told this for all the rest of her time in the Police Department, to not know Bob Dylan, what an embaresement...

Diclotican

:toast:

George Lopez and Sonia Sotomayor shouldn't go walking through any white neighborhoods. Because their butts will be hauled off for being "suspicious looking." That means the same thing in white communities as it does in latino communities. Your the from the wrong race to be walking down this street.

I hope he can get a laugh out of it!

defending the falsely accused?

oh this country is so intellectually and morally bankrupt.

idiot wind.

he built his career on good music and brilliant songwriting. He wrote about some people who got raw deals - Hurricane Carter - but he also wrote quite admiringly of Joey Gallo.

No one has ever been able to categorize Bob Dylan, which is part of his appeal..........................

yourself -- "produce papers" . . . ???

Without cause, that is -- ???

Considering how many music makers have been killed, I think this is odd --

and, I don't mean that two kids didn't recognize his name and who he was --

or maybe I shouldn't be amazed, which is even more disconcerting. The populace seems to have gotten used to living in a police state.

you're behind in your reading of Supreme Court decisions. It's been the law of the land for quite a while now.

You gotta catch up............... :hi:

when did this bullshit come down?

for what you need to know.

And, next time you want something from someone, try using "please." Marvelous word...............

But on narrow grounds. It apparently hasn't ruled them unconstitutional per se.

First, it's better to have some background as to what the SCOTUS has allowed the police to do if they do stop you. First there's the inexcusable "Terry Check."

Terry v. Ohio, in 1968, ruled that police have a right to do a pat-search for weapons without probable cause to arrest if they, "reasonably" fear that the person might be a danger to them, and if, during this pat search, they find anything else, that is grounds for arrest. This ruling has been a stain on the criminal justice system ever since, and has led to the routine abuses of the 4th Amendment in minority neighborhoods and in the War on Drugs generally. I know of one black neighborhood where if an emergency is called, it is said that police will come first and do a "Terry Check" on every black male above the age of 10 before they'll let the emergency crew enter. Just for safety, you know.

The SCOTUS stipulated that these checks had to have an objective reason the police can cite, but practically speaking, there is almost no protection against the abuses this ruling has caused.

This led to the next violation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada

This ruling said that suspects were required, if State law required it, to identify themselves to police if “specific, objective facts establishing reasonable suspicion to believe the suspect was involved in criminal activity.”

I guess Dylan could have refused to give his ID or name, and might not have cooperated at all with confirming his identity, but it's apparent that this question still has to go all the way to the SCOTUS these days. If it were any of us, we'd just be in jail.

They had a complaint. "Stop and identify" has been knocked down for mere complaints. There has to be a crime reported, and they must have reason to think he's a suspect. "Stop and identify" has been knocked down when the reason is at most vagrancy.

So what? So the police will lose the case if they ever had one. They won't be held accountable for it.

But besides, I think Dylan wanted to identify himself.

I'm just saying at that point the police have a duty to investigate.

Though, I think, Dylan would have anyway.

Iconoclastic hub-bub what a rant :rofl:

With any of the rest of us, who might have been the wrong race or looking scruffy that day, we should have the right to decline to give our identities unless we're actually suspected of something. If we then had refused, as we should have the respected right to refuse, we probably would have been harassed at the scene, followed by being taken to the station. Depending on how exclusive the neighborhood was, we would have probably been given a ride to the poorer town down the road, or a poorer part of town.

The point is, for almost everyone else, this would have been no laughing matter. It's really a crime to look poor these days.

Asking someone to accompany them to verify identity doesn't seem out of place. If they refused it's really hard to say what would happen. It happened to me once. I didn't have any ID. The cop said it was a state law that you had to carry ID. I told him I wasn't aware of that, I could have called bullshit and escalated the situation but instead I told him my name. He ran my name and told me to have a nice night.

There is a paradox you reach in having a state law which requires you to carry ID. So, if you're not carrying your ID, and police demand it, should you then invoke your Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate yourself by not giving over your ID and taking the Fifth when they demand why? Was that law supposed to make crime investigations less work?

Yes, most States have "stop and identify" laws. The problem is, not all of them are constitutional. SCOTUS cases, as I understand them, have said that police can't demand that you identify yourself unless they have reason to suspect that a crime has been committed, and to think you might be a suspect or witness. "Stop and identify" has been knocked down in cases of mere vagrancy.

It was a traffic stop in which I was the passenger in a vehicle. As I said it's not a state law and I could have called bullshit on him saying it, but that would have only escalated the situation. Given the location, time and the attitude of the cop escalating the situation would have at least ended with a felony charge against me and possibly with the death of myself, my wife and our dog. In some rural counties where everyone is related to everyone and the cops uncle makes moonshine sometimes it's wise to be polite. That same cop was eventually indicted in federal court on abuse of power charges.

David

Don't misunderstand me, please, I'm not trying to make fun of you or what you did. Being confronted by the police is dangerous. I don't care for what. I would have done the same thing. The only thing I'm commenting on is the dilemmas in this situation and how little people's rights are actually respected by state and local governments, in practice. This effects racial minorities far more profoundly than the white majority, who then largely thinks that it is really the minority's problem.

The cop thought he was pulling over a single female. I was asleep in the front passenger seat and our dog was asleep in the back seat. He was quite taken aback when he found out different. He had to make up an excuse for pulling her over. He was an ass and it eventually cost him his freedom.

The times, they are a-changing.

an be discovered beneath a truck

His age it means less.

But seriously, that's a :wtf:

or his name.
Really...why should she?
I know that is heresy while people are ONCE AGAIN celebrating ANOTHER anniversary of Woodstock, but why is it so strange that someone did not recognize the icon of a couple of previous generations ago?

sixty-six years?

That's a couple of generations ago.

And, I have news for you - Dylan is still as powerful a cultural force as he was all those years ago. Check out his sold-out concerts all over the world - he tours almost constantly.

Why should she?

Oh, it's about being well-informed and knowing about things that happened before you were born. This is very much like Meghan McCain claiming that she didn't know about Jimmy Carter because "he was President before I was born."

To which Paul Begala replied, "The French Revolution took place before I was born, but I still knew about it."

This young woman's ignorance is stunning, and it's no wonder it's made world-wide news.

Not bad for an "icon of a couple of previous generations (sic) ago," huh?

in 1968?
Think about that for a moment.

I said that I do enjoy Dylan. Everything; his songwriting, sense of aesthetics, and manipulation of public perception. In fact, I often argue that when he plugged in, he invented rock music (as opposed to rock and roll music)
I also argue that he was ahead of Generations Jones, X, and Y in his contempt for the boomers. Despite those who want to so fervently believe, those are decidedly not "King of The Hippies" lyrics. No one does spite and bile like Bob.
He means a great deal to me as an artist, but rightly so, he means shit to me as a generational icon. The world does not begin and end with your cohort.

Also, generations are generally defined as 20 years, not 33 years.
Where in the hell did you get that 33 year formulation?

"Where the hell." I really do. Such indignation is really a gift.

I could tell you to go look it up, but I'll make it easy for you - a generation is defined in terms of the life of Jesus Christ - roughly thirty-three years. One of those esoteric little bits of knowledge that make life so much fun.

My "cohort"? You're funny!

And comparing the time of Benny Goodman to the time of Bob Dylan, especially the last twenty years, is meaningless. The disparity only in communication, if nothing else, between their respective eras is enough to make them totally incompatible.

You're welcome....................................

We are both wrong, but one of us is still less wrong than the other.
Trust me; I did the math.
No thanks are necessary.

you went and looked it up. That's good - that's the road to enlightenment. See? You're learning something!

Actually, if you were to study the etymology of the word, you'd find out that I'm right. The life of Christ is the original measure.

But, if you feel better digging in, and piggybacking on my "thanks" comment, that's all right. Creativity for some, I understand, is hard to come by. But, you're learning, and that's wonderful.....................

granddaughter?
I suspect so.
Your writing styles which combine obtuseness and condescension are identical.

that's what you do when you get confused about what "generation" means........

While I'm not that great at making up definitions, I'm quite skilled at textual analysis.

how far we've come from your comparison of Benny Goodman and Bob Dylan, and your certainty that a generation was 20 years.

It's good to be tangential. You do seem gifted at it.

And now that you've exhausted the meaning of words and my interest, I bid you adieu and wish you good luck....................................

PBS did not recently do several specials prominently featurning Goodman. Starbucks hasn't recently been selling Goodman CD's. A movie starring, among others, Cate Blanchett, was recently released about Goodman. Goodman was an entertainer, not an agent of social change, etc. And Goodman was not doing a concert that weekend in her very small seaside town. Not really comparable.

And, when I was 22, I knew who people like DW Griffith, WC Fields, Valentino, John Barrymore and Mary Pickford were, even though, to this day, I have not seen one of their movies and probably never will. I also knew who Rudy Vallee was, along with less obscure folk, like Frank Sinatra.

I'll bet you'd even heard of World War I. And World War II.

That comparison falls so far short, as does the evaluation of what young people know. The kids I'm familiar with buy Dylan's work, so that police officer - and her partner, who also didn't recognize the man - was an aberration. And we can all be thankful for that...........................

that I wouldn't recognize and I think that's perfectly fine, but the tone I get from some of these threads is that some folks are somehow offended that their icon wasn't instantly recognized. :shrug:

recogized him on the street, but, if he told me his name, I would have. It's not that people are offended that she did not recognize him. It's thatt she sounds like a fool because she'd never heard of him. Acccording to the article, her fellow officers were laughing at her. Why shouldn't we?

I also share a name with a well-known actor, so I might assume the name was a coincidence at first. Past that, though...

wandering the streets claiming to be Bob Dylan.
They can't ALL be Jesus, John The Baptist, or Napoleon :)

where she was aware of Bob Dylan, recognized the name and his importance, and had even seen younger photos of him. She just didn't believe that grizzled old guy in the rain-sodden hoodie was actually Bob Dylan.

drove 400 miles to see dylan, willie nelson and john mellencamp before they start croaking. one did have to wonder who the old guy muttering an incoherent word salad into the mike was. it wasn't uncommon to get halfway through a song before you'd realize it was one of the popular ones.

i did enjoy the show though.

there was quite a few younger people there, including many young men who fancy themselves as young dylans, certainly dressed the part.

as we exited we were confronted by a young hippie chick who asks us "did you see him?" we replied in the affirmative of course, she says "no, did you see him? it's not dylan!" and goes off on her theory of a conspiracy that dylan is dead and some other guy is standing in for him, and the rich people up front in the expensive seats are in on it, and it hasn't been him for several years. i musta missed the brown acid that musta been going around.

If you play "To All the Girls I've Loved Before" backwards, there's a portion at 2:36 in that sounds like "...oh, by the way, Dylan is dead and I like kumquats..." (Something like that. You have to have taken two tabs of blue mescaline to hear it, though. The brown acid won't work here...)

She's trying to live it down, now, and they'd be trying to help her.

From the other story I read (not the one in the OP, which seems a bit sensationalized) I had the impression that she did know the name. However, as long as she had a legitimate reason for stopping him in the first place, it was appropriate for her to insist on evidence of his identity...

But any post-1987 band, band leader, or band member and I can quite assure the gallery that more than likely, the names, the faces, and the bands would be more foreign to me than Lithuanian slang.

Which is I believe, quite apropos-- as every post-1987 band, band leader, and band member I've ever heard perform live or in studio actually sounded like Lithuanian slang-- but without the melodies.

so now we have to carry ID when walking anywhere...oh, and in our homes too, especially if you're a black Harvard professor.

For example, walking in a neighborhood where most people don't look like you is suspicious. So don't do that.
Also, don't walk in the rain and don't look into the windows of a VACANT house with a 'For Sale' sign out front.

:banghead:

Actually I think that we're not required to carry ID in most states, only comply with the request by LE when we are stopped for whatever vague reason the cop has.

We can thank Rehnquist and the other activist conservative justices for that violation of privacy.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/14/bob.dylan/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

I'm tired of celebrities and the wealthy getting special treatment because they got lucky in life.

If John Q. Public would have been frogmarched to get their ID, then Dylan deserves the same.

I was ushering the inferno hot ticket Let My People Come at the Village Gate. We had celebrities that night. Sammy Davis Jr. and entourage sat at the dead center table where the stagelights fell on them and everyone could watch them watching the show.

While we were staring at Sammy Davis Jr., the house manager comes up to me and says, "Did you know Bob Dylan is here tonight?"

"Where?" So he told me the obscure side table, still front tier but way to the side, and I dodged waiters to scoot over there and see...kind of middle of the table, hunched over, damn it was Bob Dylan. It really was.

After the curtain calls, the naked cast would form a receiving line on both sides of the exit aisle. Sammy Davis Jr. who had made sure everyone saw him enthusiastically appreciating the performance, also made sure to stop and talk with each of the actors on his way out the door.

But it was only after everyone was gone, naked actors, audience, everyone but the cleanup crew, that Bob Dylan got up and left the building.

Doesn't change my opinion that we all should be treated equally.

He's lucky he wasn't tased as that seems to be all the rage with law enforcement these days. Electric Dylan!

I walk a lot in my SoCal suburb. It's not a common thing to do, but I live in a hilly area and it's great, free exercise for me. I despise the gym. I see some people walking their dogs, some jogging, but not too many people just walking. (Walking briskly is better for me as running hurts my knees.) I guess I'm next in line for being arrested, since I am not with a dog, jogging, or "properly" working out at the gym.

'Residents called to complain there was an old scruffy man acting suspiciously,' said officer Spencer. '... it's an ethnic Latin area and the residents felt he didn't fit in.'

Can we have the president's, or professor Gates's comment on this?

Except in Jr High you're ostracized. In the adult world you're profiled and/or picked up

and he told her she doesn't know who she's messing with, and that he'd talk to her mama back at the hotel where his id was.

All in all, Dylan seems to have handled himself very well under the circumstances.

Now THAT made me feel old.

These young kids have no cultural literacy.

i wouldn't recognize bob dylan either, probably, and i know who he is.

:shrug:

It is obviously a total ass-hat thing to do to pick up someone without ID who is just taking a walk. What a total bunch of crap.
I think they realized who he was, pulled in as many people as possible to "spend time" with him through putting him in a car, driving him to his hotel, etc.... and then bragging about it by using excuses such as "Have you ever heard of Bob Dylan" before. Code for "you will never guess who we have in our possession". Total BS.

CNN) -- How does it feel? To be on your own? A complete unknown? Bob Dylan might know.


A police officer questioning Bob Dylan recognized his name but wasn't sure it was him.

The rock legend was stopped in July by police in Long Branch, New Jersey, who were responding to a call about a suspicious person roaming the neighborhood, police said.

According to Long Branch Police Department Sgt. Michael Ahart, Dylan had been peering into a window of a house that was for sale, which prompted a neighbor to call the police on July 23.

One of two responding officers, Officer Kristie Buble, 24, approached Dylan and asked him for his name.

"She recognized the name, she just really didn't believe it was Bob Dylan," Ahart told CNN. "He was soaking wet because it was raining and he was wearing a hood."

So Buble asked the musician for identification, but he had none.

Buble and her partner, Officer Derrick Meyers, 24, then asked Dylan, 68, to accompany them to where his tour buses were parked. Once they arrived, Dylan showed them identification.

"Dylan was really cool about the whole incident," Ahart said. He said he asked the singer why he had been walking in the rain and was told, "I just felt like going for a walk."

Dylan, who is on a national tour with musicians Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp, was in Long Branch on the Jersey shore prior to his performance at a baseball stadium in nearby Lakewood.

she'd have busted his sorry ass, I bet.........................

specific reason :)
Is it more heinous that she picked up a celebrity rather than a "nobody" in the exact same situation?
To my mind, the latter is more outrageous.

When Dylan is seen wandering around NYC, looking bedraggled and dirty and unkempt, is he picked up there? No. they let him walk around. If someone was looking the same way, I say leave them alone. As if the police don't have other things to do.

should not be getting any special treatment

How dare a man commit the appalling crimes of being old, scruffy and non-hispanic in their oh so clean, young and ethnically pure neighborhood? Utter bastards.

So will Dylan and the cop be meeting for beers in the whitehouse now?

lest you put many DU-ers outrage in a rather...ummm...uncomfortable...place.

If anyone has ever scene Leno's "Jaywalking" segments and watched as people had a hard time answering the most basic of questions on history and geography or politics then it comes as no surprise to me that this young woman didn't know who Dylan is. There is a segment of the US population who think New Mexico is not a US state. Some college kids were asked "what three powers did we fight against in World War II?" a few came up with the correct answer, with a few hints along the way: Germany, Italy and Japan. Then there was the young man who said, in a confident tone "Well, the first one, I know, is Russia. The second one is Korea. And the third one, I understand, is Pearl Harbor." Nope it doesn't surprise me at all.

WTF?

is say that they suspect you of criminal activity.

Of course, they're supposed to have reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime, but reasonable is a word that encompasses a very vague, broad spectrum of possible meaning.

So in the real world, a cop can demand to see your ID at any time. Whether they can legally detain and/or arrest you if you fail to produce identification probably depends on what your state and local laws are.

Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), held that statutes requiring suspects to identify themselves during police investigations did not violate either the Fourth or Fifth Amendments. Under the rubric of Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the minimal intrusion on a suspect's privacy and the legitimate need of law enforcement officers to quickly dispel suspicion that an individual is engaged in criminal activity justified asking a suspect to identify himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada

Shocked I tell, ya.

In theory, you have the right against unreasonable search without a warrant. If you happen to have the money and time to take the issue to appeal, maybe all the way up to the SCOTUS, who will then maybe issue another narrow ruling saying, hey, you're right, that law is unconstitutional. Whereas the police and the lawmakers who came up with it will suffer no penalties. Most poor people identified as "vagrants" can't do that, and the rewards are too small at the end.

It is really remarkable, in this day and age, how little state and local governments, including police and petty courts, actually respect rights. In day-to-day life, it doesn't matter much what the constitution actually says, what the principles are, or what the SCOTUS actually rules.

From Bob Dylan's new album,
Together Through Life)

Well I didn't come here to deal with a doggone thing
I just came here to hear the drop of cymbaline
There ain't no way you can put me down
I just wanna say that hell's My Wife's Home Town

Well there's reasons for that, and reasons for this
I can't think of any just now, but I know they exist
I'm sittin in the sun 'till my skin turns brown
I just wanna say that hell's my wife's home town
Home town, home town

She can make you steal, make you rob
Give you the hives, make you lose your job
Make things bad, she can make things worse
She got stuff more potent than a gypsy curse

One of these days I'll end up on the run
< My Wife's Home Town lyrics from http://www.lyricsyoulove.com/ >
I'm pretty sure she'll make me kill someone
I'm going inside, roll the shutters down
I just wanna say that hell's my wife's home town

Well there's plenty to remember, plenty to forget
I still can remember the day we met
I lost my reasons a long ago
My love for her is all I know

State gone broke, the county's dry
Don't be lookin' at me with that evil eye
Keep on walking, don't be hanging around
I'm tellin you again that hell's my wife's home town
Home town, home town
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Talk about me babe, if you must.
Throw on the dirt; pile on the dust.
I'd do the same thing if I could
You know what they say? They say It's All Good.
All good.
It's all good.

Big politician telling lies;
Restaurant kitchen all full of flies.
Don't make a bit of difference; don't see why it should.
But it's alright, cause its all good.
Its all good.
Its all good.

Wives are leavin' their husbands; they're beginning to roam.
They leave the party and they never get home.
I wouldn't change it even if I could
You know what they say, man, it's all good.
It's all good.
All good.

Brick by brick, they tear you down.
A teacup of water is enough to drown.
You oughta know, if they could, they would
Whatever goin' down, it's all good.

All good.
Said it's all good.

People in the country, People on the land.
< It's All Good lyrics from http://www.lyricsyoulove.com/ >
Some of them so sick they can hardly stand.
Everybody would move away if they could
Its hard to believe but its all good.
Yeah...

Well widows cry; the orphans plea.
Everywhere you look there's more misery.
Come along with me babe, I wish you would.
You know what I'm sayin', it's all good.

All good.
I said it's all good.
All good.

Cold blooded killer stomp into town
Cop car's blinkin', something bad goin' down.
Buildings are crumblin, in the neighborhood.
But there's nothing to worry about, cause it's all good.
It's all good.
I say it's all good.

Gonna whistle and blow it in your face.
This time tomorrow I'll be rollin' in your place.
I wouldn't change a thing even if I could.
You know what they say?
They say it's all good.
It's all good.
It's all good

some of my favorite artists.

Oh the bloody nerve. Has anyone seen their British pop stars? Winehouse,Doherty,Richards to name a few.

'The poor woman has taken rather a lot of abuse from us. I offered to bring in some of my Dylan albums. Unfortunately, she doesn't know what vinyl is either.'

Noob