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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:35 AM
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Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett Attacked
Source: 620AM WTMJ

By Nick Iannelli
WEST ALLIS - Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett is in stable condition at the hospital after a suspect beat him with a pipe in West Allis.
Police say the mayor was walking away from the Wisconsin State Fair in the 8700 block of W. Orchard Street when he heard a woman cry for help. She was in a domestic dispute, being attacked by a man.

According to authorities, that's when Barrett pulled out a phone to call police, causing the suspect to run at Barrett with a metal pipe and beat him repeatedly in the head.

The suspect was able to get away and the mayor was brought to the hospital with head injuries. He was reportedly alert and talking.

The Milwaukee Police Department is now assisting West Allis police in finding the suspect. Authorities are calling the man a "known" suspect with a criminal record.

Read more: http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/53344777.html


:(

But good for him for stepping in against domestic violence.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:40 AM
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1. Wow, how horrifying.
Keep your distance while reporting crime!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:47 AM
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2. Forget Giu911ani. I nominate Tom Barrett for America's Mayor. n/t
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:55 AM
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4. Tom Barrett is a really decent guy.
He should have been Governor.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:55 AM
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5. rudy would have walked the other way.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:03 AM
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6. rudy would have RUN the other way
and then denied seeing anything he might have to attest to in a court of law.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:20 AM
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12. + 1
Tom Barrett is indeed a good guy. Hope is healing is fast and complete.
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SomeGuyInEagan Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:14 AM
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25. +2
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:32 PM
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63. +3
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:25 AM
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15. Can't we think of another name, though? Rudy tarnished that one.
People told him not to put the City's emergency response operations in the WTC because it was bound to be attacked again. He put them there anyway. The Fire and police departments begged him for decent communications equipment, saying their lives amd operations were being endangered for lack of it. He refused because communications equipment costs money.

Terrorists fly into the WTC while he is mayor. Everything everyone predicted to him came o horrible fruition. Voila! He's been America's Mayor ever since, earning big consulting fees on terrorism, too. I'll retire to Bedlam.

This guy deserves so much better.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:50 AM
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3. Thank the supreme beings that the attacker didn't have a gun.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:14 AM
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9. But if the mayor had been armed everyone would have lived happily ever after
:sarcasm:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:21 AM
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:28 AM
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32. WHAT?! Why is it a good thing that the mayor got beaten with a pipe??
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:31 AM
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42. I was replying to a stupid post
sorry I forgot the sarcasm thingy.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:42 AM
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44. Oops, sorry. My reading interp is off today. :)
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Amos Moses Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:26 AM
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40. good point
The situation might have become violent if the mayor had a gun like any other law abiding citizen with a carry permit. Thank goodness he was smart enough to not buy and carry one of those scary guns!

Now, let's ban pipes! Somebody could get hurt with one of those things!
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:29 AM
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41. Conceal and carry is outlawed here.
AAAAAAAANNND... he was at THE STATE FAIR... with his FAMILY.. and THOUSANDS of other people, ffs.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:35 AM
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #13
67. Who you callin a moran?
The mayor? The bad guy? Or me?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:48 AM
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22. Why the sarcasm tag?
Its a classic case where the display of a weapon could easily have caused the perp to run and fewer injuries all around.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:11 AM
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24. He did run. But he could just a easilly have wrestled a gun away from the mayor.
Not likely but a possibility that has to be acknowledged.

Guns are not for display. When you pull it out you better be ready to use it.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:20 AM
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27. Close, Sidearm is control of a situation
giving a person a verbal order to stop is reasonable if the situation allows. But , you are correct if you pull it you better be ready to fire it.

Police use gunpoint to control a subject much more often than lethal force.

FYI 10% of gunshot from pistols wounds are fatal. Basically if you are still alive after being hit you will probably live.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:22 AM
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29. .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4017124&mesg_id=4017216
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:23 AM
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31. c30(nt)
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #24
39. Not Really
If the guy was beating a woman, I doubt that he would have the guts to run towards a man with a gun!
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #22
51. And if the assailant had a gun...
Milwaukee would be looking for a new mayor right about now.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. The Next Governor of Wisconsin
Doyle isn't going to run. I hope Barrett does.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #51
60. The assailant is legally barred from possessing firearms.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #60
79. Which means, of course, that there's no way he would be in possession....
Because no self-respecting felon would ever violate gun laws, right?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. You seem to understand how it works.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:47 AM
Response to Reply #80
83. You're joking,
right? With the posts you've been writing lately, I really can't tell.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #83
85. I took his post as sarcasm, if that's the case then he is correct.
In my experience criminals tend to ignore laws.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:00 AM
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84. He can thank Doyle for this
Doyle the "Draft Dodging Coward" walks around with dozens of state cops at his side, and vetoed concealed carry.

Milwaukee is a cesspool of convicted felons who are "strapped up" in violation of most civilized people's rights.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:08 AM
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23. Except the attacker and anyone who happened to be in the path of a poorly aimed bullet.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:17 AM
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26. Once a bullet hits a person
it deforms and dumps energy. Handgun rounds are explicitly designed not to punch through people and keep going. Pointing a weapon may have prevented being hit with a pipe, however if that did not work, shooting a person prevents them from bashing your skull.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:21 AM
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28. Please don't turn this into a "gun rights" argument.
Mayor Barrett is entitled to a security detail at his discretion. He was at the State Fair with his family and did not have security with him. If anything, THAT would have been the safer route... not carrying a fucking gun when you're at the fair... with your FAMILY (and thousands of others).
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:23 AM
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30. Not trying to, the guy did a brave thing
he put his life on the line to help someone. It is not legal to carry a weapon to any event that charges admission in my state.

Good for the mayor, hope he makes a full recovery.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #28
76. I think you meant to respond to post # 9.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #28
81. His security detail would have a gun. n/t
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:26 AM
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49. What does that have to do with a poorly aimed shot? n/t
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #49
62. Like driving on the wrong side of road...
if you cant drive a car to certain standards, you probably should take a cab or hire a driver. Not my top priority while someone is caving in my skull with a pipe.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:47 AM
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35. LOL! Good one! nt
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #9
59. It ended much better for the Mayor this way.
:sarcasm:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #59
65. Cause accidentally shooting an innocent person would be a far better outcome
:sarcasm:
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:38 PM
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68. The attacker doesn't seem very innocent to me. Duh.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:45 PM
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71. They were at the state fair. Duh. Lots of innocent people there. Duh.
Heat of the moment. Gun wrestled away. Innocent people shot.

Seems odd that I have to spell this out for you but most people carrying guns aren't skilled marksmen like Dirty Harry. Innocent people do get shot.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. If that only happened even occasionally you might have a point.
The cops shoot innocent people and bystanders far more than CCW permit holders.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:54 PM
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77. Happened to a friend of mine
Walking to her car in a parking lot and got shot. A bad guy tried to mug a guy who had a gun. He pulled his gun, fired and my friend got shot. Mugger got away. Shooter went to jail.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:56 PM
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78. That explains your personal bias. Good thing your son didn't have a gun, eh.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 07:56 PM by Fire_Medic_Dave
He did a very brave thing, I am sorry that it ended so badly for him.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:43 PM
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70. Aw, Don't Get Depressed, Dave.

There will be other Heroic Armed Citizens Shooting Bad Guys incidents for you to start threads on, down in the Gungeon. It'll all work out.....
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. I like it when innocent people aren't victimized, I don't know why you disagree.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:22 PM
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61. The attacker is legally barred from possessing firearms.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:47 PM
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73. And that means there's no possible way he could ever get a gun!
Phew. I feel safe now!

:sarcasm:
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. Of course criminals will always acquire weapons and use them.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:09 AM
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7. Wow, what a good guy Mayor Barrett is
and what a terrible thing to happen.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:12 AM
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8. Wow this happened to my son in Feb!
He tried to get a guy to stop beating his wife and the guy and his buddy beat the crap out of him.

Here's hoping a speedy recovery for the mayor!!
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:24 AM
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14. I hope your son's ok now...
What a horrifying thing! :hug:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:33 AM
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17. Yes he's fine but he is fighting to get his medical bills paid
:mad:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:34 AM
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18. Total suckage.
:(
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:37 PM
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66. how ironic---your son does a good deed, gets whacked by a criminal and now
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 07:38 PM by wordpix
can't pay his medical bills. I'm sure the CEO's making $100K-200K per hr. might throw him a bone, tho'. :sarcasm:

bravenewfilms.org
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:36 AM
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19. Good for your son, too!
:patriot:

I'm sorry that happened to him.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:41 AM
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21. One of the guys is in prison now
He was on probation and that was revoked. My son was asked to go to his sentencing and he got 5 years. So I guess that's a good thing. But yes, what a scumbag. It was really horrifying. Son went to watch basketball game and drunk guy was there, beating on his wife.

Oh and the wife didn't want to press charges. She and hubby are apparently living happily ever after now. :puke:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:16 AM
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10. Mayor Tom Barrett


Formerly a US Congressman from Wisconsin's 5th district (replaced by Sensenbrenner)
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:19 AM
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11. The district was very different then.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:25 AM
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16. Here are more recent pics
From the South Shore Frolics parade a couple weeks ago:


And at an Obama rally last Labor Day:

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:39 AM
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20. What a wonderful person to stand up against domestic violence.
I hope he has a speedy recovery and that this creep is found and prosecuted.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:37 AM
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33. that is ballsy
Good for him. I hope he heals up and is better than ever.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:39 AM
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34. Thank You Mayor Barrett for standing up to DV
Brave man. Good man.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:01 AM
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36. Good job mayor
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:06 AM
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37. Mayor Barrett is the best
I'm not remotely surprised he put himself in harm's way to help.

We recently attended a festival where he was polka-ing with some random lady in the audience as the UW band played. He's been at many political/social functions I've been to, and he always just totally hangs with everyone, talks about whatever, just has a good time.

This makes me terribly sad. I hope they lock up that violent fartsack for a long, long time. Get well quickly, Mayor Barrett. :( :patriot:

(I am not awake enough yet to be any more eloquent, but my fellow Milwaukeeans can back me up on his awesomeness.)
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #37
38. Today we are all Milwaukeeans.
:patriot:

Mayor Barrett rules.
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:47 AM
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45. what a decent, honorable guy.
Thank goodness it sounds like the injuries are not severe.

This is a remedy for the despair of thinking the country is inhabited by drooling idiots. Decent good guys like this, they are still out there.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:55 AM
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46. K&R for a politician with some real guts for a change.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:03 AM
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47. Don't mayors of major cities have some type security or support group?
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:05 AM
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48. Yes, security detail is with him at all official events and at his discretion for personal.
He was at the fair with his family. He attends a LOT of local events without it.
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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:45 AM
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50. When I first read this I thought this was a teebagger thing...
... With all the angry mobs getting stirred up. Violence is starting to manifest...

This is horrible, random, but horrible.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:13 PM
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53. Thank you, Mayor Barrett, for standing up against DV
"What a man, what a man, what a mighty good man"
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donquijoterocket Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:14 PM
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54. ask the cops
About as dangerous a situation as you can put yourself in. Takes some alloy orbs to go for that rescue. I hope his injuries are minor and that they catch this perp and put him away.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:05 PM
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55. Yikes! Horrible!
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:15 PM
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56. UPDATE: Suspect arrested
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/53347442.html

Suspect arrested in beating of Mayor Barrett
By Nicholas Penzenstadler of the Journal Sentinel
Updated: Aug. 16, 2009 2:28 p.m.

A 20-year-old man was arrested and is being questioned Sunday in connection with Saturday's beating of Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett as the mayor was leaving State Fair Park in West Allis, Police Chief Edward A. Flynn announced at an afternoon press conference.

Milwaukee police arrested Anthony J. Peters about noon Sunday near 17th St. and State St., Flynn said. Peters has an extensive arrest record, including other assault charges, and Barrett stepped in while Peters was threatening other violent acts, West Allis Police Chief Mike Jungbluth said.

"Last night, he was a totally violent and vicious thug, and that's how he behaved," Flynn said during a 2 p.m. conference at the home of Barrett's brother, John Barrett.

A tearful John Barrett said his brother suffered serious injuries, but that doctors said he was expected to recover.

"He still has a good sense of humor and he's a great brother," said John Barrett, the Milwaukee County Clerk of Circuit Court. "Tom stepped up and did the right thing. He called 911 and tried to calm the situation, protecting a grandmother and child."



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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:26 PM
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58. i'm glad they caught him...
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:45 PM
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57. Now that
is what I call a hero! I wish he was my mayor. I hope they catch the son of a bitch.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:35 PM
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64. why do women have boyfriends/husbands like this creep/criminal?
We really need to help women stay away from these beasts.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:41 PM
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69. We need to stop the beasts.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 07:51 PM by PeaceNikki
John beat Mary. (active)
Mary was beaten by John. (passive)
Mary was beaten. (passive)
Mary was battered. (passive)
Mary is a battered woman. (active)

"John has left the conversation long ago, while Mary evolves into the active victim," Katz said. "This evolution of victim-blaming is very pervasive in our society, because this is how our whole power structure is set up. We start asking why Mary put herself into a position to be beaten by John."

"If we really want to work on prevention, we need to start asking questions about John, not Mary," Katz said. "We won't get anything done until we start treating these issues as men's issues and shift the paradigm at the cultural level."

From: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/06/02/jackson-katz-violence-against-women-is-a-mens-issue

Don't blame this on "the woman" mentioned in this story. The creep did this, not her. And if wasn't her, it would have been someone else.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:21 PM
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86. =
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create.peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:27 AM
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82. hope that was a rhetorical question....
one usually doesn't get into a relationship pre-warned.....
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 07:52 PM
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87. yes it was rhetorical but about that pre-warning
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 07:53 PM by wordpix
there ARE warning signs but some women think they can tame the beasts.
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