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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:57 AM
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Obama administration says marriage law unfair
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 10:13 AM by kpete
Source: Salon

Obama administration says marriage law unfair

Aug 17th, 2009 | WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration filed court papers Monday claiming a federal marriage law discriminates against gays, even as government lawyers continue to defend the law.

Justice Department lawyers are seeking to dismiss a suit brought by a gay California couple challenging the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act. The administration's response to the case has angered gay activists who see it as backtracking on campaign promises made by Barack Obama.

In the court papers, the administration urges the repeal of the law but says in the meantime, government lawyers will continue to defend it as a law on the books.

The government's previous filing in the case angered gay rights activists who supported Obama's candidacy in part because of his pledge to move forward on repealing the law and the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that prevents gays from serving openly in the military.

Read more: http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/2009/08/17/D9A4MCBO1_us_gay_marriage/



another source:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090817/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_gay_marriage
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:15 AM
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1. Right hand... meet lefty
shake

Nice to See the President FINALLY doing something for the GLBT community...

yes yes I know, 5 1/2 months... but really.. a kind word, a post-it note? a fart in our general direction?
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:21 AM
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2. Well, Clinton tried something out of the gate
and never recovered from it.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:10 AM
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4. I'm sorry - I don't buy that one anymore. I used to think so, but looking
at the hate for this administration and comparing it to Clinton's - it really didn't matter what he tried to do, they were rabidly going after his (and Hillary) as a way of "political sport".

They can and will use anything and everything to make their case, they'll also make up shit if they have to and mostly, the media will never call them on it. But they don't come to this from any sort of fairness and decency the way opposing politicians have previously. And it really doesn't matter to them what policies the Administration promotes.

If GWB had changed party affiliation mid-term, the exact same rabid supporters who still hail him as great would have raked him through everything they did Clinton - even if the only change he made was the letter behind his name and left all his arrogant, illegal policies in place. Their party loyalty is the only thing that matters to them.

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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:30 AM
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3. sure, as rahm sits in the back room plotting stronger defense of the law
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:52 AM
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5. Interesting Timing
Perhaps a sudden realization that someone needs to guard their left flank after the health care debacle?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:57 AM
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6. Awesome! K&R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:21 PM
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7. k i c k
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:34 PM
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8. Obama disses marriage law as Justice defends it
Obama disses marriage law as Justice defends it

even as his administration angered gay rights activists by defending the it in court.
The president said his administration's stance in a California court case is not about defending traditional marriage, but is instead about defending traditional legal practice.
Justice Department lawyers filed new papers Monday seeking to throw out a lawsuit brought by a gay couple challenging the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA. Gay rights groups say that by doing so, the administration is failing to follow through on campaign promises made by Obama last year to work to repeal the law.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090817/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_gay_marriage_4


SEEING A LOT OF TOO FAST MOVING STUFF ON YAHOO FROM A LOT OF SOURCES --
SOME OF IT GETS PULLED AND MORE CONSERVATIVE HEADLINES REPLACE IT AND
SOME OF THE 'NEWS' --

RATHER SEEM DUPES HERE THAN FIND WE ARE MISSING INFO AT DU . . .
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:07 PM
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9. There's a difference between defending a law on the books and demonizing marriage equality.
The Obama administration is doing exactly what Obama did with Prop 8.

With Prop 8, he said "I've stated my opposition to this. I think it's unnecessary" and in the same breath said, "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage."

Now with DOMA, he's saying that he wants a repeal of the law while the DOJ says that marriage equality is as bad as incest.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:38 PM
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10. +1 /nt
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:25 PM
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11. Yep...
And he's doing the same thing with the public option - playing both sides simultaneously. He sends Sebelius out to trash it, while saying he's OK with it. He's a guy who stakes out a weak stand on both sides of every issue. Where I grew up guys like that were called weasels.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:35 AM
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15. There is a difference between deeds and just plain bullshit
Obama is just bullshitting us.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:51 PM
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12. "Do these people even understand that they were elected on a platform of Hope-y Changiness? "
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 07:56 PM by flyarm
"Do these people even understand that they were elected on a platform of Hope-y Changiness? Do they understand what the American people expect from them? Do they not grasp the nature of their mandate, whether on health care, civil liberties, or civil rights?" Firedoglake

Administration Still Defending the Indefensible DOMA
http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/17/defending-the-indefensible-doma/
By: Teddy Partridge Monday August 17, 2009 11:55 am
photo by michael lehet

The Obama Justice Department filed another defense of the Defense of Marriage Act in court this morning, but they decided not to use right-wing arguments about child-raising and marrying minors as they had done previously. They don't like the law, but they are bound to defend it, they say:

"This Administration does not support DOMA as a matter of policy, believes that it is discriminatory, and supports its repeal," the new brief from Justice Department lawyer Scott Simpson said. "Consistent with the rule of law, however, the Department of Justice has long followed the practice of defending federal statutes as long as reasonable arguments can be made in support of their constitutionality, even if the Department disagrees with a particular statute as a policy matter, as it does here," Simpson wrote.

If Americans start to wonder what's the point of changing Administrations, I think I would forgive them. This Obama tendency to defer to bad law, whether detention, wiretapping, or civil discrimination, is simply insider lawyer-speak:

"This longstanding and bipartisan tradition accords the respect appropriately due to a coequal branch of government and ensures that subsequent administrations will faithfully defend laws with which they may disagree on policy grounds," he added in a footnote.

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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:27 AM
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13. Maybe I am wrong but
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 10:30 AM by cstanleytech
doesn't part of the oath of office require him to uphold the laws, even laws he himself might not agree with?
Edit: After all its not like he can ignore the laws like Bush did.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:34 AM
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14. Okay Obama, where is your bill repealing DOMA? or DADT?
You are just another bullshit artist!
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