(Dick) Armey: Obama will parlay swine flu into votes from "bed wetters"

Source: The Dallas Morning News

One of the chief agitators against Obama-style health reform,
Dick Armey -- the Dallas-area conservative who served as U.S. House majority leader in the 1990s -- is offering a darkly cynical prediction: The Obama administration, he says, will use fears of swine flu pandemic to pressure congressmen who haven't yet signed onto the president's healthcare agenda.

"In September or October, there will be a hyped-up outbreak of the swine flu which they'll say is as bad as the bubonic plague to scare the bed-wetters to vote for healthcare reform," Armey told the Financial Times.

Armey, head of Freedom Works, resigned from the lobbying shop DLA Piper last week amid conflict of interest allegations. The firm represents drug makers and other clients with a stake in the healthcare debate, and Freedom Works, a conservative advocacy group, has been encouraging activists to disrupt congressional townhall meetings in recent weeks to turn public opinion on the issue.

Read more: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/08/armey-obama-will-parlay-swine.html

And we were told fear the scary terrorists behind the tree for over 7 years after that event took place.

addressing that whore, of course, not the poster.

:eyes:

for Dick Armey.

Then lets see if he can get private medical care with whatever pre-existing conditions he probably has at his age.

Maybe we should let all those anti-Medicare types opt out and let them see where it gets them. They may be far more agreeable after having to deal with private health care. I doubt anyone out there past 65 is pre-existing condition free. If my friend's 23 year old daughter couldn't get private insurance because she'd had surgery on a bone spur when she was 19 then what chance do the Army of Dicks have?

Mz Pip

paying his doctors and hospitals whatever he wants?

for the vaccine. Screw the children and the sick. This asshat will get his first.

alone a human being.

I suppose he could get scorpion flu or louse flu.

Maybe he should blog about it at AngryRenter.com.

FreedomWorks.org. An non profit oxymoron.....

Now here is one conservative whose obituary will be welcome.

It will never cease to amaze how much conservatives project their cynical manipulations on their opponents. Who was it that used the trumped up color coded terrorist warnings that they bumped up every time they wanted to push another war/defense bill through Congress? Yes Republicans we realize the only way you know to effect people is through fear but that isn't how the rest of do things.

Where were these idiots when Bushco was marching us into Iraq? Oh, that's right: They were raiding the Treasury.

They are always projecting. He says this because he knows it is what he would do. And who the hell is anyone on the right to accuse anyone of fear-mongering?

But, you know, it may just work. Fear, unfortunately, is always a winning strategy. Republicans have got it down; they know how to play this game well.
The mistake they made in the '08 election was Sarah Palin. Many people voted against McCain because they were too afraid of the thought of John McCain croaking and Sarah Palin being in charge. The left needs to take a thing or two from the right's playbook. We don't need to (and it is not ethical to) fabricate reasons to be afraid (like the right-wingers do) when we have real ones, like, oooh...the planet melting. Or dying from some treatable condition because we don't have health insurance.

Of course there will be an accompanying media campaign to encourage the public to desire the vaccine, which is normal.

What he is spinning however is the fact that this vaccine has not really been tested adequately, and just like the Swine Flue vaccine in the late 70's, some people will be hurt by it. This is just the reality of vaccines. People will react in unique ways that are unpredictable, and everybody knows this -- Including the manfuacturers of the vaccine, which demand complete immunity form any liability for their untested vaccines.

Well, they have immunity for their untested vaccines. People getting harmed from vaccines are deemed an "Acceptable Risk" as far as the bean counters go, although I seriously doubt the victims see it that way. So, in order to cushion the devastating consequences of say, going blind, or becoming ill for the rest of your natural life, they have the Vaccine Trust Fund, which compensates the victims for any ill effects, ie. Payoff for your Pain.

I grew up in a teaching and practicing Doctors household. My mom was a Nurse. Yes, I have had many vaccinations in my life. However, I am old enough to have been born prior to vaccines being used on infants and very young kids. They just didn't do that back then. I think my first immunization was at age 6. Since I have grown older, I have found that all is not well in Vaccination land. First of all, the links to Autism and Thimerasol are quite disturbing. Thimerasol is a mecury based preservative that was widely used, and still is. It has a nasty specific effect on nerve cells and synapses. It has been linked to Autism, but the pharamaceutical Industry fights this data tooth and nail, because vaccines are big business.

The second issue is the voluminous data showing that foreign disease agents are able to pass through very fine filters and remain viable. This data was discovered in the 30's by Royal Rife, and Weston Price. So ultimately one has to assume that many other things are present in vaccines that the manufacturers are unaware of.

Thirdly, many vaccines are of animal origin. Chicken, Swine, Equine, Sheep, Monkey. Since the vaccines manufactur are dependent on these species, it is just common sense to understand you you are getting fragments of Chicken, Swine, Equine, Sheep, Monkey, or whatever species, even recombinant DNA injected or introduced into your body.

This is where I draw the line. I don't want any other foreign agents introduced into my body. I will take my chances, as all other forms of life do on this planet, and deal with disease or pathogens on my own terms, whether it causes my Mortality or not.

I do not see anything that allows a politician to dictate that I must have a vaccination in order to save society. First of all, this society seems to have big problems right now. Second of all, I don't trust them.

Don't get me wrong, I the Dick Armey is a filthy, treasonous bastard. But, it is imperative to see the big picture regarding the growing concern about the consequences of Vaccinations that took nearly 50 years to discover. Everyone needs to review the datum and make an informed decision for themselves.

I understand that not many people have the same consciousness as I do, and that is that we never die, but just change form. Our bodies may cease functioning, but the components that make up our physical being will disperse into the earth, to be utilized in some alternate fashion. Death doesn't concern me. It happens every day in nature. It happens in your lawn. It's a natural process. The knowledge that I am composed of the same material as a Shark or an Oak tree comforts me.

with everything you say. I feel ill when they talk about testing this on little children and pregnant women first.

What the hell is an infection but an invasion of foreign entities into your body. Oh and vaccines have no "animal parts". Just dna fragments or even a version of the virus itself. Dumbass.
BTW, the nasal flu vaccine has NO PRESERVATIVES.
You do realize that H1N1 kills pregnant women in higher numbers than anyone else right? God save us from the left anti-science fundies

I am sick and tired of these bald faced fraudsters pushing the fears of vulnerable, easily manipulated parents of fellow autistics. I am not poisoned, FUCK THEM!!!

If you did, you'd get a taste for how serious it is. As far as infants and small children are concerned, you apparently think that dosage in a child is equivalent to an adult. I really don't know how you could think that, since all medicines limit dosage for small children.

I just happen to have witnessed a child go autistic after receiving a battery of immunizations. My associate at work had a wonderful male child. He was curious, attentive and vfull of vitality. A few weeks after receiving immunization, he turned autistic.

Now you can just up and down and scream all you want, but it does not change this fact, that I witnessed with my own eyes It's pretty clear that it occurred immediately after the child received the immunizations, so that's enough link for me.

As far as you say there is no link, while I say that there is a possibility of a link, and I have enough evidence to make my own decision.

You do seem to be very irritable though, so perhaps you are poisoned.

Correlation-causation fallacy. Autism usually becomes obvious at the same time as MMR vaccines are given, leading to distraught parents with issues in logical reasoning to see causation where there is none. It's no different than superstition, just because it rains after you danced for the rain god just before the start of the rainy season doesn't mean you caused it to rain.

Oh and there's more mercury in fish anyway. I'm sure you've NEVER EVER fed your children teh evil fish though right?Also autism IS GENETIC NOT CAUSED BY VACCINES. I'm a biologist. Maybe you ought to read a textbook before you show your outright ignorance.
So 2 minutes after injection a child was diagnosed with autism. Nice dx DR. FRIST. We all know that observation trumps science.
IDIOT

BTW...As I said before, ever eat fish at all? about 100X more mercury. And 99% vaccines DON'T HAVE IT

The atmosphere is full of Mercury vapor from Coal-fired power plants.

The biggest danger from Mercury is the Billions of old alkaline batteries that have been thrown away. They use a Zinc/Mercury amalgam. The really old ones are rotting in streams and woods all over the planet like miniature drums of extremely toxic waste where people have thrown them, not realizing the danger.

Mercury is used in quite a few Industrial processes, such as the manufacture of Lye, which is still being used overseas in China, which explains why we find Mercury contamination is HFCS from cheap, imported LYE used in the process.

Thimerasol is just one of many toxic agents that have been used in Vaccines. Hell, they used it in Insulin, Contact Lens solution, and many other places as an Antibacterial agent. However, it is an organic chemical, and not the same as metallic mercury.

The fact of the matter is that Vaccines can cause sever damage to people, and as far as I know, young children are people too.

For an interesting background on Thimerosal, check out this interesting video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8536564749125540419&ei=CGeMStPtM5_sqAPe_pTGBQ which lays out in plain englsh, Just why Odin and TZ are full of bolognie.

I did not specify a time frame for the onset did I, yet you seem to think that adding your own rhetoric will somehow improve your position.

I can think of many cases where direct observation can not be explained by any Scientists. That does not make the Observation any less relevant, despite your attempt to make it so, without any references to your sources.

Your attacks on me for stating my point of view, calling me "Dr. Frist", really does enhance your case, which you seem to think needs to YELL TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS.

Seriously, do you really think that anyone is going to believe that your are a biologist when you can do anything other than insult somebody relating the thoughts of a growing community of people that have learned not to be spoon fed marketing hype anymore?

What are you, fully invested in the DLC and Big Pharma interests that you need to use their same attacks?

Nice try buddy. Before you atart calling people idiots, you might want to actually review your beliefs and see if they actually resmeble any reality.

is: Simon Baron Cohen: Autism and Asperger Syndrome: The Facts; Oxford University Press, 2008

ISBN 13-978-019850490-0

And no, you don't have to be invested in DLC or Big Pharma (what do the *DLC* have to do with this anyway?!) to disbelieve the theory that vaccines cause autism - especially given that studies in Japan, where the MMR vaccine was discontinued and then reintroduced, did not lead to any increase in autism rates.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8536564749125540419&ei=CGeMStPtM5_sqAPe_pTGBQ

Or, you can go to the link http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm070430.htm and read the FDA's own statement regarding "Thimerosol Free" vaccines. Try reading it before you watch the video, and then read it again afterwards and try and get a sense of the rage you will feel.

Buried in the subtext, it states that only the "NEW" vaccines are Thimerosol Free, but all the old vaccines remain the same. Even then, buried further, they state that even though it may be labeled as "Thimerosol Free", it actually can contain Thimerosol "Remaining from the Manufacturing" process.

Also buried in this document is the admission that they have based the Toxicity on MethlyMercury, and not EthylMercury metabolites of thimerosol. It's the same thing that Monsanto did when testing the Toxicity of the BT CRYn Toxins in their limited studies. They used "Substantially Equivalent" CRY toxin derived from a pure bacterial source, and did not use the CRY Toxins derived from the GMO Food Plant cells, which destroys their statistical tests.

The fact is that they neither deny nor do they acknowledge that Thimerosol is linked, but yet at the same time, they know that something is up with Thimerosol. It's all about protecting the Pharmaceutical industry.

And as far as 'becoming better informed': I've been working for the last 20 years as a developmental psychologist, and one of my special interests is the nature and causes of developmental disorders. Although my main interest in this field is a different disorder from autism, I have, in this context, met quite a few people with autism (and other disorders) and their families.

And I have never been funded by any pharmaceutical company; and I am a British LibDem/Green voter with no ties to, or sympathy with, the DLC.

So please don't assume that everyone who has come to a different conclusion from yours is (a) uninformed; (b) unaware of or unsympathetic to those affected by autism; (c) a shill for Pharma; or (d) a shill for the DLC.

Or are you firmly set in your ways as an average, working independent authority?

Judging from your response, you didn't bother to look at the links at all, so I guess their is nothing to discuss with you, other than maybe the reasons for the massive increases in psychtropic drigs administered to men, women, children and soldiers alike. Perhaps you could explain how much money flows to the Drug companies through this market.

Aside from that, if I had to make a choice, I'd has to choose answer (a) uninformed; in your case.

It filled me with rage because of the irresponsible quackery of the Geiers, who promote their own unreliable and potentially dangerous treatment for autism: Lupron. This is a drug used for prostate cancer in males and severe endometriosis in females. It has also been used more controversially to suppress sex urges in paedophiles and other serious sex offenders. Like all drugs, especially hormone-based ones, it has side effects, especially dangerous in children - and they are a lot more frequent than those of vaccines. And there is *no evidence* that it cures autism, or for that matter that it treats mercury poisoning. I would not take the word of people with such an agenda.

As regards the mercury issue - do you eat fish? That certainly contains more mercury (unfortunately) than any vaccine ever did.

And I might take the anti-vaccine campaigners a bit more seriously if they could even keep their story consistent. The British ones blame the MMR vaccine (which has never contained, or been accused of containing, mercury); the American ones blame mercury; etc.

By all means, mercury should be removed from vaccines, and insofar as possible from the environment as a whole. But autism rates have not gone down since the use of mercury in vaccines has been phased out - even if the use has not completely disappeared, it is *less*, which one would have expected to have an effect by now.

My daughter's Asperger's was not caused by her vaccines, (which didn't have Thimerasol in them, btw.) She is not poisoned.

There is not one credible study ever done that shows any sort of link between vaccines and autism. Stop spreading woo bullshit.

And GMO food is safe, and a Low fat diet is essiantil for good health... Right.

Please do your own research and make up your own mind. Poisoned/Damaged, no need to play semantic games with it.

You have already bought into information provided by dubious sources i.e. Corporate, profit motivated medical science, so I guess you can be happy with your choice.

They really do use propaganda you know.

You know everything right Jesus? Seriously the NIH, WHO, CDC and many MANY academic scientific institutions have refuted their claims. But hey, what do scientists know. You have teh google so you know bettter.
And a low fat diet is good for your health idiot!

The scientist today does not resemble the breadth of information and education of the Keplers, Faradays, or Rifes.

They are specialized to look at very narrow aspects of their field, are very easily controlled through bug money interests in the form or Grants or the witholding of grants, and for the most part, have been purposefully molded to not make important connections.

I once new an Electrical engineer who was unable to figure out a cut wire in the headlight circuit of his own car. I know many doctors that have absolutely no understanding of Money. We have scientists that will happily right happy stories about the safety of Depleted Uranium.

Your statement about Low Fat just shows what a lemming you are... Fats are essential for the uptake of essential nutrients, cellular structure and brain development. Yet, you believe the myth that Fats Bad! Lowfats Good!

If you were to burrow a little deeper under the covers, you would find that the modern food industry has developed trans fats, synthetic fats and others fat that are more easily used in industrial processes without gumming up the machinery, or going rancid, because they took the reactivity out of the fat. They know that this stuff is not handled by the body, but they used propaganda to lump them in to the same category as natural fats that have been around for millenia, Like Chicken Fat, Lard, Olive Oils, Coconut Oil, etc..

The Pacific Islanders used Coconuts as a major part of their food supply, and they were in fine health before European contact introduced them to Spam in a can, white flour, whisky and cigarettes.

After all, Dr. Chesterfieled knows that Chesterfield cigarettes are the best. And the ADA recomends fluoridation of the municiapl water supply to protect teeth. Nice try on the third party authorities, but they have been proven to be a major part of the Propaganda machine that is used to shape public opinion. The NIH, WHO and CDC don't say a word about Fluoridation do they? Do you even know what it is? Don't you ever wonder why this compound is present in every CC of municipal water you get (At least until it was banned by many municipalties). Do you ever think about the effects of 40 years of Fluridated water, watering lawns, washing cars, washing cothes, flushing toilets, making coffee, cooking food, making baby formula, or bathing does? Thats just one example. What about the prevalence in every human being of flame retardent chemicals they put on clothing? What about DDT, or Tetra Ethyl Lead in gasoline? Yep, those experts sure are smart. Nothing like exposing the public to these toxins for 40 years to see what happens.

Go ahead, trust them, I really don't care about you, because you are just another trained parrot repeating what you've heard from your message masters.

I may "have teh google", but more importantly, I know how to read books. You should try it sometimes.

and more than likely your doctor will not receive his supply until December or January.
The fear that is generated on the vaccine issue is over the top. Fear mongering and scare tactics should never be used to win an argument. Use facts and use common sense and assume that Big Pharma, the CDC/FDA etc are not purposely trying to kill the citizens of the US.

They have families and children that could be harmed should a drug/vaccine etc be marketed as safe that is not.


If you are afraid of or don't trust the makers of pharmaceuticals then don't use their products but use discretion and base your decisions on facts and in turn supply facts to those you are trying to persuade.

Here are some facts and hints:
H1N1 has killed 6 pregnant woman out of the first 41 people who have died from H1N1.
Older people in their 60's have some resistance already.
Young people are more likely to get very sick if they get H1N1.
Wearing an N-95 mask does offer some protection
Wash your hands often
Don't touch your face, mouth, or rub your eyes or nose without first washing your hands.
Keep a 6 foot radius between yourself and a sick person
Cover your cough if you are sick
Cough into your elbow
Don't go out in public when you have a fever

Symptoms of HINI mimic other flu symptoms here are a few.
Fever of 100 or over
cough
sore throat
body aches
runny nose

Please don't assume you know anything about the vaccine yet, since the trials are still ongoing (with human subjects) and the information is still being collected there is no way to have any hard facts on it's use in humans yet.

and slimy this man is?

Your gonna be old someday yourself dude.

A real fresh view of interstate stalking.

She apparently escaped jail, although her "trips into space" are somewhat limited now.

I say that it's time for a Bed Wetters Liberation Movement.

There must be something in the water

You're a reprehensible human being and if you had any decency you'd go crawl in a dark hole somewhere and live off rats.

Sincerely,

Steve the Bedwetter

help, Dick. And it is usually a problem for the very young, the very old, or the very ill. So how are they a fair target from a grown man to score political points? Would you think it is ok to call someone an epileptic?

....he has disappeared, the scum surfaces....

....in desperation the pukes have dredge-up this ancient piece of fetid excrement to lead their charge to kill healthcare reform and leave it in it's tracks....but only repugs and their cess-pool dwelling corporate friends would make a statement like this:

"...there will be a hyped-up outbreak of the swine flu which they'll say is as bad as the bubonic plague to scare the bed-wetters..."

....wrong, turning human tragedy into monetary and political gain is what repugs do best....why do we need these people to help us write a healthcare bill?

Gee, fucking repuke LIARS use all sorts of LIES and OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS, and, even BEFORE we even KNOW if Obama WOULD do such a thing - I don't even for a second think he has the BALLS to fight like they do - they don't like US DOING WHAT THEY THEMSELVES DO?!!!

ASSHOLE armey is just PROJECTING again...

And people DO die of lack of health care - in far larger numbers than die from terrorism. The swine flu is just one of the dangers, and not the biggest one.

Then he'll suddenly turn into a "bedwetter" and start crying about his health care like a little girl.

And I will laugh in his unnaturally tan face.

It's no longer amusing to see Armey talking out of both sides of his ass.

A no-talent hack whose path to "success" was through stepping over the little guy by passing deregulation and blocking meaningful reform legislation which would have lowered the cost of healthcare.

For his service to the powerful, he is rewared with cushy jobs in the private sector wherein he uses his contacts in govt to do the bidding of his corporate masters.


When he looks in the mirror, he foolishy believes that he is the embodiment of Ayn Rand's John Gault, a self made man who is fighting back the hordes from taking what is rightfully his.

The truth is, he is nothing more than a no-talent sack of shit who hasn't contributed one damn thing of value to our society nor mankind. He is nothing more than an errand boy for the rich and powerful. He is on par with their chaffeur, private plane pilots, secretaries, and maids. He performs a service for them and that's all, a service for which he is grossly overpaid.


But, don't tell Dick that. Dick believes that he is a Master of the Universe because he has a big bank account.

In reality, if he never existed, the world may have been better off.

Whenever we need a bump on health care, or draw attention from something else, you raise the flu threat warning from yellow to orange.

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like his bunch scared the right wing bedwetters into going along with an unnecessary invasion and subsequent war and occupation that cost a trillion dollars. He needs to STFU!! :grr:

Dick would get out more if he didn't have to have that gin drip 14 hours a day...