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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:43 AM
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China reduces holdings in US debt
Source: BBC

China reduced its holdings of US government debt by the largest margin in nearly nine years in June, according to data from the US Treasury.

China holds more US government debt than any other country and cut its holdings of US securities by more that 3% in June, said the BBC's Chris Hogg.

Japan and the UK - second and third largest holders of US debt - increased their holdings over the same period.

China's holding of US debt is about 7% higher than at the turn of the year.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8207174.stm
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:05 PM
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1. yippee, I feel less owned today

or pwned! actually
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:07 PM
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2. No less owned...just less of you is owned by China!
:-)
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 07:38 PM
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3. How are we goung to find people to loan us
$ 150 billion every month?

It just seems like interest rates are going to have to rise substantially. We can't buy our own debt for long I wouldn't think.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:34 PM
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4. You're completely right
I do expect interest rates to rise substantially during the next year. That's why my pittance of a 401K is staying in money market funds, and the hell out of the stock market.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:39 PM
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6. i invest every two weeks from my paychecks
Americans own a lot of our own debt.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:38 PM
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5. I hold US Debt and about 10% more than I held last year
I buy gov't securities...safest part of my investments overall.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:10 PM
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7. how did they reduce their holdings? did they make us pay?
maybe I should understand this but I don't!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:38 PM
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8. they sell the securities they bought to somebody else
that's how i understand it.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:07 AM
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9. But yesterday there was an article about a surge in Chinese purchases of debt.
Iirc, in July the purchases went through the roof. Looks like it was a very brief slowdown that they more than made up for. Probably more a scheduling thing than an appetite for securities.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:23 AM
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11. Intresting to know; I should have read that first...
I'll look for some links too...

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:55 AM
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12. Some links, corrections, but it's very confusing
I was wrong about the dates. Those articles are saying that in June foreign purchases of US debt surged -- the month the OP says was lower.

I think that the BBC article about reductions and the other articles about increases are about offsetting or different transactions. The simplest explanation is that China dumped some of its "holdings" but purchased newly issued securities. That would make sense if they had purchased very low interest short term debt the Treasury was offering during the financial crisis, and turned around and purchased higher interest long term securities that the Treasury is now offering. Then again maybe China was dumping securities and the Treasury panicked and put out a happy news story. Hard to tell, but compare:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8207174.stm

China reduces holdings in US debt
Dollar notes
China wants to establish a new global currency regime

China reduced its holdings of US government debt by the largest margin in nearly nine years in June, according to data from the US Treasury.



http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jkLPvWOBY92j4XQTNARw05LkU2xw

Foreign purchase of US securities surge

By P. Parameswaran (AFP) – 2 days ago

WASHINGTON — Foreign purchases of US long-term securities surged in June, reversing an outflow the previous month and signaling recovery of battered financial markets, new data showed Monday.

The jump was primarily driven by a sharp increase in overseas demand for long-term US Treasury securities, including from China, the biggest owner of American debt, according to the monthly US Treasury international capital report.

It said that net long-term security transactions in June climbed to 90.7 billion dollars from negative 19.4 billion dollars in May as both private and official foreign investors beefed up their portfolios.

The June figure was substantially higher than market expectations of 17.5 billion dollars.

Analysts said the fresh data underscored a recovery in financial markets reeling from a prolonged US recession and signaled that the underlying demand for US securities remained healthy.

"This provides further support to the view that financial markets are on the road back to normalcy," said Bodhi Ganguli, an economist at Moody's Economy.com.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:22 AM
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10. Proof we need manufacturing here, to get ourselves out of debt. Will China like IF jobs stop going
over there?

Given China's quality, they're either very stupid or very deliberate. Never mind that, in a community, most people look for people who contribute and try to be worthy. Is China really contributing, especially after year after year of recalls, complaints, and everything else?

Economically speaking, of course.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 12:22 PM
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13. China sends us cheap stuff, like the Japanese did in the 1950's, because we buy it.
If we refused to buy their cheap stuff, guess what. They wouldn't be able to sell it to us. (They must wonder who buys the stuff they send here.)

For a second there I thought you were going to drop an "all Chinese are very stupid" bomb - not a very progressive group stereotype. Fortunately, you did give the "or" of the poor quality of their goods being poor being "very deliberate" - which indeed it is. They've found someone to buy cheap stuff that they can make a profit on, so they very deliberately make it that way. When the market for it disappears, they'll change what they produce as the Japanese did.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:55 PM
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15. again....
....I don't know why China is getting so excited, the US Treasury has plenty of ink and paper....
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