ICE: Teams will arrest non-fugitive immigrants

Source: AP

The chief of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement says agents searching for people who ignore deportation orders will continue to arrest others in the country illegally who happen to be around when they show up.

John Morton spoke to reporters Wednesday in San Diego about ICE's fugitive operations — a program that grew sharply during the Bush administration. The effort has riled immigrant advocates who say tactics have been heavy-handed and complain that people who got arrested often aren't the targets.



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Father, son sue Sheriff Joe Arpaio over arrest

Two Hispanic men -- a father and son -- are suing Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, saying they were unlawfully arrested and detained by the MCSO in relation to a February immigration raid against a Phoenix landscaping business.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed the suit on behalf of Julian Mora, 66 and his son Julio Mora, 19, in U.S. District Court in Phoenix.

The senior Mora is legal permanent resident of the U.S. and his son is a U.S. citizen, according to the lawsuit.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/08/17/daily55.html

..."Racist Web Posts Traced to Homeland Security.."

I think Ms. Janet Napolitano is a complete and utter failure as head of HLS. She should never have been named as Homeland Secretary, and its one more bad judgment Mr. Obama has made choosing his secretariat.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/nyregion/25immig.html

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This kind of thing has been going on long before Obama or Napolitano came onto the scene.

I've worked with ICE for years and could tell you stories from back when Clinton was president.

aiding and abetting.

Having more taxpayers doesn't hurt, and nine times out of ten people who are hiring undocumented workers are violating all sorts of labor laws.

When employers are forced to hire undocumented workers at fair wages and acceptable working conditions, when employers are not allowed to treat their workers as disposable commodities living under a constant threat of deportation, then they will have no incentive to hire undocumented immigrants in favor of citizens and documented immigrants.

When the first people to get in trouble are the undocumented immigrants themselves it benifits the people who hire them by depressing wages and making the workers fearful of demanding their legal rights as employees.

Give amnesty to the ones already here and tighten border security! I am glad you put a sympathetic face to the plight of many of these immigrants rather than castigating them!

Isn't that what we pay them to do? Keep people who come here without sanction from entering or residing in the country?

Why is this news?

It makes you wonder if some people on this site have a working brain.

I admit I'm surprised that's considered newsworthy by the AP.

The name says it all. Immigration and Customs ENFORCEMENT.

Oh wait....I keep forgetting. Some think it's wrong to enforce immigration laws.

I happen to know many nice, hard working Mexican illegals, and I prefer them to these ignorant redneck home grown trash. Very friendly people who are proud of their culture and supportive of family.

Why so much persecution of these illegals? Most of them are not criminals. Homegrown Americans do enough crimes. Leave them the fuck alone.

Most of it is PURE RACISM. I guarantee you, if these immigrants were blonde, blue eyed light skinned people, they would not be so aggressive in deporting them! Pure hatred.

If you love hard working Mexicans, then Mexico is the place for you.

I have nothing against any legal immigrants, but all countries have immigration rules.

All countries have immigration rules, yes, but this is America. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses". Gay marriage is against the rule, yet we have people on here talking about it.

We are a nation of immigrants. Alot of your ancestors came here and stripped land from the natives, so you shouldn't be talking.

I'm sure many on this board have ancestors who came here illegally.

We are NOT like other nations. Yes,we should do more to prevent illegal immigration--that's not my argument---- but we already have MILLIONS here.

What the hell should we do? Send MILLIONS of people home? Disrupt family bonds? Break up mothers from their children?
They are here to stay. I'm all for deporting fugitives and hardened criminals, but when you start PERSECUTING people in large numbers and targeting them, that is just wrong. That is my whole damn point


I'm surprised at this kind of thinking at a PROGRESSIVE site. And if you think like that you are no different from a FREEPER.

My people were the ones who had their land stripped.

What should we do? Be more like Europe. Regulated immigration. It allows progressive nations to continue to be progressive.

If you break the law, there are always consequences.

But you know full well they are actively persecuting these poor immigrants THAT ARE HERE.



Like I said, tighten border control (of course you need to regulate the flow), make it easier to obtain NATURALIZATION, work with Mexico to uplift their human rights and economy, but there is no need to target the ones that already here as if they are all hardened criminals. You are breaking up families and communities.

And I don't understand what you mean by "it allows progressive nations to continue to be progressive".

you are breaking the law. The US should adopt Mexico's immigration laws.

Progressive nations know that there are limited resources and priority should be lent toward its own citizens.

We are not a third world nation. That is the problem you make. I keep repeating myself, the US is a nation of immigrants, a melting pot/salad bowl. That is the motto and its been like that throughout history! Why do so many people in this world wish to come to America? You wonder why?

Yes priority needs to be lent first to a country's own citizens, but a country is known by how it treats its least fortunate. Actively persecuting a group is wrong.

And we will agree to disagree. I'm too passionate on this subject to change my mind.

hard working Mexicans, then we need to emulate them.

In my opinion we should emulate countries like France and Germany who have well regulated immigration and top notch social programs.

and illegal immigration. Europe is more socialized and far more progressive than America, regardless of immigrants or not.

It is the neo cons and their brain dead worshippers who prevent us from furthering progressive programs in America, NOT the immigrants!

Social safety nets require orderly regulated immigration as well as a national language. See Germany for a good example.

The Mexican immigration law allow them to retire there and take advantage of the system

Who knew....

What you said.

This tiny yet important fact is lost on many. The governments of European nations are able to serve their citizens better because they keep it just that way. They serve their citizens and legal immigrants.

But apparently the US is supposed to do both.

why people think that the US can have its cake and eat it too.

none, nada, zero.

The US has been moving forward having cheap labor right across the border so in order to implement new social programs need to clean the house and absorb those immigrants that have contributed to the economy of the country.

The population was much smaller then right?

Would you like to return wholesale to that time? Or just the bits you like?

I'm surprised at this kind of thinking at a PROGRESSIVE site. And if you think like that you are no different from a FREEPER.

Progressive doesn't mean gullible moron. I guess you think the French are a bunch of freepers too.

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Because they have massive deportations?

+1

France has a very high population of North African illegal immigrants. Their situation is very similar to ours, they cross from mainly Algeria or Morocco (former French colonies) through the Mediterranean sea.

That's why I was kind of :crazy: @ that comment about European immigration.

Many of the North Africans in France are stuck in ghettos unable to move because they are not part of French society. They do not get the same perks of being French that citizens do.

all they need is to be poor

And then for dessert you got the FREEPER paintbrush out and tried to give him a few swipes with that, too.

:eyes:

Aztecs, Mayas or Yaqui are native Americans

WriteDown is a native American. (Although, I don't really know anything more than what I've seen posted in past threads. ;) )

Which makes this sermon a bit ironic: "A lot of your ancestors came here and stripped land from the natives, so you shouldn't be talking."

Those who jump to conclusions sometimes land in open manholes.

I was speaking in general, hence "alot of your ancestors". So if you want to do your little tag team, go on ahead. I'm not into juvenile shit like that.

Your DU name is particularly valuable in this case. ;)

parts of the west was a portion of Mexico--their land was stolen.

you should leave the country immediately and give your belongings to me. :)

I'm half Italian/Sicilian and half "Mohawk", but I don't hold anything against my Sicilian half. :)

are hired to work at much lower rates?

In SoCal, many people who used to have decent paying construction jobs are now SOL. I feel for those people.

As for this: Most of them are not criminals.
Staying in any country passed the time of your visa, or gaining access illegally, or working without a permit is a breaking the law.

It has nothing to do with racism and more to do with wanting to see a little control of an out of control situation.

hmm........people love to dwell on that argument.........slaves who ran away from their slavemasters were breaking the law....they were criminals......those who held Jews and hid them from the Nazis were breaking laws.......they were criminals......see where I'm going with this?

You think illegal immigrants are immune to job loss? Hell, many are going back to Mexico due to the recession. It affects everybody.

Sorry, as a Jew i do not listen much to people who try to pull Nazis into every bloody argument. It's weak.

Good, I am glad they are going back. When the economy strengthens those they bumped out of jobs will be there to get them first.

sorry I don't separate people based on citizens and illegals. I see everyone as humans all living in one country trying to make the best out of life.

Amazing how you blame the poor immigrants who are trying to make a buck so much (something many Freepers do), and put less criticism on corporate America.

It's not one sided.

I see everyone as humans all living in one country trying to make the best out of life.
Yes...everywhere is one big country, no borders. And then you grow up.

And "corporate America" is the talk rightwringers use when mocking Democrats and liberals.

That said, goodnight. I have kids to get to bed.

and I had a great discussion. No harm meant.

no wonder all those anti-immigrants sentiments started to rise when the republicans lost the presidency to Clinton.

Seems like republicans only see immigrants affecting US citizens jobs when they are not in power.

labor and wages?

If the situation was reversed---Mexico was rich and the United States was a third world nation, Americans would be flocking to Mexico in droves to survive and look for work. Tom, Dick, Harry, and Fred would be border skipping in a hot minute!

Don't demonize these immigrants, they are doing what they can. The government of their nation doesn't give a hot shit about them. Mexico is a country of wealth disparities, the citizens can't even get loans for higher education!

Put your shoe in the others foot.

You could start bitching at them to loosen their immigration laws.

the active persecution of a group of people, then yes, you are no different than a Freeper. That is my whole argument.

When the hell did I say OPEN the border let them all in? You have got to be kidding.



Studying biology, I know the importance of homeostasis---regulation to maintain control.

And I also like the little trashy dig on me "we are not gullible morons".



You have MILLIONS already here. So get rid of MILLIONS of them?

And with that Star of David, you should know better.

But your belief that progressive=anti anti illegal immigration is ludicrous. Progressives want the systems we see in other...progressed countries. That means clamping down on immigration.

As for me being a Jew.....the Jews in Germany were German citizens. Hitler tried other ways to economically disenfranchise them before declaring them not real Germans. But they were German citizens. Nice try.

on the issue of persecution. Legal or not, to me it is persecution.


These immigrants are part of our country too. They deserve to be treated with dignity. And we should do our best to accommodate the ones that are here.

Do the paperwork. Get permits. Get residency.

It's not just insta-citizenship.

Do you even know any illegals, particularly those from Mexico? You know how HARD it is to receive legal papers from that country? You know how many hoops they have to jump? You think it's so damn easy, don't you?


Therein lies the problem.



They are part of the fabric, hispanic immigrants(as with all immigrants) have contributed so much to America.

If you really really really wanted to become a citizen of another country, or at least get perm residency, would it not be worth it to you to go through all the work? It's not easy. I do know people who have gone through the process and it was long and arduous. So what do you want to do? Just say screw it, let's get rid of the paperwork and you're all citizens yay?

Mexico is really strict in giving out Visas to America. And guess what? That's where the vast majority of illegal immigrants hail from. See a correlation?

You have to own property, be financially stable in Mexico to be granted a Visa to America.

There are no government loans to finance an education in Mexico like there is in the USA. So it makes common sense for that poor peasant to jump the border and head for a richer, more prosperous and fair country!

I'm all for granting amnesty for the ones that have lived here for years and are productive members of society.

then you are rewarded? That doesn't seem right. Seems like you'd need cultural lessons, language lessons, etc. in order to become a citizen. Seems like you are just against ANY and ALL preconditions.

That doesn't seem too fair for people coming from places such as Ethiopia and Rwanda who are trying to come here legally.

That said, we have the worst immigration system in the world. Just illogical and lets in people only because they happen to be related to someone but keeps out people we need for years.

Immigration was lowest during the Depression, and now it is going down for a similar reason. And of course too many Americans don't understand how the economy works and think that there is a fixed number of economic transactions and that fewer people is always better, so those fewer people can supposedly have it all.

Kicking out all illegals?

Besides, isn't illegal immigration breaking the law? Aren't all IIs fugitives?