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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:37 AM
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Taliban cut off fingers of 2 Afghan voters
Source: AP

Taliban cut off fingers of 2 Afghan voters
(AP) – 7 hours ago

KABUL — An Afghan vote monitoring group says Taliban militants in Afghanistan's south cut off the fingers of two Afghan voters, carrying out a gruesome pre-election threat.

Nader Nadery of the Free and Fair Election Foundation of Afghanistan says Saturday two voters in southern Kandahar province — the Taliban's spiritual birthplace — lost their fingers.

Nadery says the two fingers sliced off had been dipped in purple indelible ink, an anti-fraud measure, but one that identified voters to militants in dangerous, insurgent-held areas.



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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:40 AM
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1. CNN: Monitors: Taliban cut off fingers of Afghan voters (longer article)
updated 4 hours, 2 minutes ago

KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Making good on a threat of election day violence, the Taliban sliced off the index fingers of at least two people in Kandahar province, according to a vote monitoring group.

After they cast their ballots, the fingers of Afghan voters are stained with ink to prevent them from voting multiple times. The fingers of the two women in Kandahar, a stronghold of the Taliban, were cut off because they voted, said Nader Naderi of the Free and Fair Election Foundation.

The Taliban had vowed to disrupt Thursday's election and the risk was too great for some Afghans to venture out, especially in the southern provinces that form the heartland of the radical Islamist group.

Just days ahead of the election, U.S. Marines and other NATO forces carried out military operations to clear and hold sectors that have long been in the Taliban grip, and free up the population to vote.

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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:40 AM
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2. Video: Afghan election day violence
Rockets landed almost every half an hour and explosions rocked Kandahar city throughout polling day.

Southern Afghanistan has been the scene of most of the violence.

Zeina Khodr, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Kandahar, reports on the unrest and the women brave enough to vote.





http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/08/200982015530788117.html
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:51 AM
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3. Lovely. Lovely bunch of guys. Ugh.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:53 AM
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4. I know they wanted to eliminate fraud.. but the purple finger was a mark for harm.
Who in this country would vote under those same circumstances?
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:56 AM
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5. Good point
To me, it's asking so much less to show free-to-obtain photo ID to vote.
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Blandocyte Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:03 AM
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6. Were the victims able to point out the perps?
"What did you do when the Taliban came to your village?" "I gave them the finger."

And to think we (U.S.) were so enamored of the Taliban before 2001. Blowback! Major frackin blowback.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:44 AM
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9. I smiled, but I felt guilty.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:47 AM
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10. Yes, we wanted anti-communists to run the place after the Soviets were defeated, and
the Taliban just fit the bill.

Unfortunately, they also were not pro-oil pipeline, so they had to go.

Enter the former Unocal executive Karzai.

Real history for those with memories.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:45 PM
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15. Taliban is pro-pipeline, just not one built by Unocol
Taliban negotiated with Unocol and Bridas, Bridas won.

Bridas also signed a contract with former Afghanistan President Rabbani before he was tossed out of office.


    In February 1996 things went wrong for the US pipeline project in Afghanistan. President Rabbani of contracted the Argentinean BRIDAS instead of UNOCAL for the construction and exploitation of the gas pipeline. For the US, to get the pipeline project back in the hands of UNOCAL, Rabbani would have to disappear.

    In Afghanistan, events would take a different turn. From March 20 to April 4, 1996, Taliban leaders had held a shura (meeting) and concluded with a jihad against Rabbani. Osama arrived on May 18, but would not get involved. On September 27, the Taliban conquered Kabul and president Rabbani fled and joined the Northern alliance. At that moment things must have looked hopeful for the UNOCAL pipeline project. Unfortunately for them, in November 1996 BRIDAS signed a new contract with the Taliban.


Bottom line: Taliban and Afghanistan would embrace a pipeline, but on their terms, a concept foreign to American companies.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:34 PM
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17. Taliban is pro-Taliban.
They would embrace any protection racket, be it pipelines or whatever, that gave them the cash to continue to stay in power.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:10 PM
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21. Different from any corporation in what way?
Just not quite as successful pulling those bonuses down.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 04:18 PM
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20. Some more real history
I noticed you had a small gap in your timeline. Here are a few of the missing bits.


In 1996, the CIA established a special unit of officers to analyze intelligence received about bin Laden and plan operations against him, coined the "Bin Ladin unit." It was this unit that first realized bin Laden was more than just a terrorist financier, but a leader of a global network with operations based in Afghanistan. Given these findings, the NSC encouraged the Department of State to "pay more attention" to Afghanistan and its governing unit, the Taliban, which had received funding from bin Laden. The State Department requested the Taliban to expel bin Laden from the country, noting that he was a sponsor of terrorism and publicly urged Muslims to kill Americans. The Taliban responded that they did not know his whereabouts and, even if they did, he was "not a threat to the United States." The CIA's counter-terrorism division quickly began drafting plans to capture and remove bin Laden from the country. However, Marine General Anthony Zinni and some in the State Department protested the move, saying that the United States should focus instead on ending the Afghan civil war and the Taliban's human rights abuses.

<snip>



On August 7, 1998, bin Laden struck again, this time with simultaneous bombings on the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. (see above) The CIA, having confirmed bin Laden was behind the attack, informed Clinton that terrorist leaders were planning to meet at a camp near Khowst, to plan future attacks. According to Tenet, “several hundred,” including bin Laden, would attend. On August 20, Clinton ordered the military to fire cruise missiles at the camp and a pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum, where bin Laden was suspected of manufacturing biological weapons. While the military hit their targets, bin Laden was not killed. The CIA estimated that they had missed bin Laden by “a few hours.”

<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Clinton_Administration



Guardian UK: Bin Laden allegedly planned to kill Clinton

Osama bin Laden, the millionaire Saudi dissident who was the target of last week's missile attacks by the United States, twice directed his followers to assassinate President Bill Clinton, it was alleged yesterday.

According to Newsday, the assassination was planned to take place during Mr Clinton's visit to the Philippines in November 1994, but was abandoned because of heavy security. The second plot was foiled when Mr Clinton's trip to Pakistan in February this year was cancelled. Counter-terrorism and intelligence sources say Ramzi Yousef, who was convicted of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Centre in New York, was due to carry out the killing in Manila.

<snip>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1998/aug/26/usa.garyyounge



Taliban Head Told U.S. Official Clinton Should Be Ousted
By Dan Eggen

Two days after U.S. missiles struck Afghanistan in retaliation for al Qaeda's bombings of U.S. embassies in East Africa in 1998, the head of that country's Taliban government told a State Department official that Congress should force then President Bill Clinton to resign "in order to rebuild U.S. popularity in the Islamic world," according to documents released yesterday.

The suggestion is contained in a newly declassified State Department cable recounting the first and only direct communication between the U.S. government and Mohammad Omar, the reclusive Taliban leader who was reaching out in the wake of the U.S. strikes on alleged al Qaeda facilities in his country and Sudan.

<snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12717-2004Sep10.html
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 03:55 PM
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19. "to think we (U.S.) were so enamored of the Taliban before 2001"
??

Is that why the US was firing cruise missiles at them in 1998? Out of "love"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12717-2004Sep10.html

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:04 AM
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7. The gang who did this need to be identified
and certain appendages cut off.

Seriously, I hate violence and loathe the idea of vengeance. However, the ultimate loss is probably the only thing that will get through to those uber patriarchs.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:14 AM
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8. we need to chop off the heads of the taliban.
a bit of their own terror.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:26 PM
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14. If you're representative of "we," then "we" are no better than "them." (nt)
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:52 AM
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22. Everytime "we" do chop off a head....another grows back to the dismay of some
Hakeemullah Mehsud new chief:

snip


Hakeemullah, who once served as a driver of the slain TTP leader, was considered very close to Baitullah Mehsud. But intelligence services continue to believe that Hakeemullah was killed in a shootout following a brawl with another contender for the top slot at a meeting soon after Baitullah’s death.


‘He is dead and there is no question about it,’ a senior security official said.


However, the government has not been able to produce convincing evidence of the death of either Baitullah Mehsud or his heir-apparent Hakeemullah Mehsud.

snip-

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/08-hakeemullah-mehsud-new-chief-faqir-ts-05





we need to chop off the heads of the taliban.
Posted by pansypoo53219
a bit of their own terror.



Eventually, the #3 gene pool will dry up and become diluted when reaching the coveted #2 slot.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:59 AM
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11. And the US taxpayer helps subsidize the Taliban. So, how proud are you?
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:05 PM
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12. Did I say somewhere that I was proud? I'm a native-born US citizen, and am well aware
that our country has enabled the Taliban for decades. Why you surmise that I might be "proud" of the result of our nation's long ties with the Taliban is beyond me.
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:10 PM
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13. Wow, two fingers.
The great and mighty Taleban is only worth two fingers? I mean, yeah, sucks for the people who got their fingers cut off, but I think the whole episode only serves to underline the overall weakness of the Taleban.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 01:33 PM
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16. Winning hearts and minds.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:42 AM
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23. The two women that lost their fingers did have an impact on voter turnout
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Voter turnout appeared to be low, especially in the volatile south where the Taliban is strongest.But women voters seemed to have faced disproportionate obstacles, election observer groups said.

Hundreds of polling stations for women (stations throughout the country were segregated to keep men and women from publicly mingling) did not even open in some areas where Taliban influence is high, but women also suffered discrimination and intimidation in some places in central and northern Afghanistan. Female candidates received threats and were largely ignored in news coverage of the elections, the observers said.

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At least 650 women’s polling centers planned did not open on the day, according to Free and Fair Elections in Afghanistan, known as FEFA, the largest Afghan observer organization. In the southern province of Oruzgan, of the 36 centers for women that were planned, only 6 opened, said Nader Naderi, director of FEFA. In certain polling centers in the south and southeast of the country almost no women voted, according to the National Democratic Institute, an American-financed group that promotes democracy abroad.

The insecurity also led to greater proxy voting, in which male family members vote for the women, further robbing women of their rights, observers said.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/world/asia/23afghan.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=women%20voters&st=cse


War is Peace


Freedom is slavery




http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2009/05/22/afghan-women-are-killed-for-demanding-their-rights.html

ignorance is bliss

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2009/08/20/six-girls-of-a-family-among-11-killed-in-south-of-afghanistan.html

We can take comfort in the fact "we don't hold the moral highground" and excuse ourseles from the 7th century quagmire.

:sarcasm:
Women themselves say they enjoy the simpler lifestyle by a 4 to 1 margin
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:43 PM
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18. and the US thinks it's going to do what magic there??
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