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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 11:36 AM Original message |
Climate change doubles tundra plant life, boosting shrubs, grasses |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
1. Gee, I thought all those plants growing would ABSORB some carbon. |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. How did all those plant seeds get there in the first place unless...... never mind nt |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Didn't read that there are new plants....but your point is there have been past warming events, yes? |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. change mind? |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Where did you find 125%? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
48. Try this resource |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
45. So you think Canada shouldn't exploit the current event and plant wheat ? How many North Koreans |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Probably from the hundreds of millions of birds or hundreds of thousands of caribou. |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
46. How about the fossil evidence found in Antarctica ? |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Penguins are found in more areas then just Antarctica. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Penguins are also not the only bird species there |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. You are absolutely correct. It would be more strange to not find foriegn plant life. |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. seeds |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Certainly they will, but shin high? Hardly a tropical jungle...yet the colour change |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. plants absorb CO2 by day |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. They will absorb some carbon, but their warming effect will help thaw permafrost |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
55. Rapidly growing woody plants do absorb carbon. But the melting permafrost |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
64. They're also lowering the albedo of the region. (nt) |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. Prepare for elk, moose, and caribou populations out of control as their food supply mushrooms |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Article says the opposite may be the case if their normal winter food - lichen - suffers |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. they fart alot and that will cause global warming. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. I thought plants took CO2 out of the atmosphere? |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. As the article states: |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. reflectvity |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. Just goes to show that two diametrically opposed conclusions can be reached with the same data. |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. As there are no dumb questions (so they keep saying in college) I'll ask: what two conclusions? nt |
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destes (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. That's a good question, THC, |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Just reading through, I'd say. . . dark vegetation will increase warming (bad), while plant growth |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. I disagree that they're "diametricall opposed," if dismetric means equal... |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
16. A war effort? I'm confused, about "too many people just don't..." |
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carla (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. There is ONE THING individuals can do |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Plant trees? That's your solution? Not every environment can support that proposition |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. The green trees also absorb light and decrease albedo |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Not so in northern climes. And this speaks to the question raised by many here... |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Yes, a war effort. Something like what we saw in Britain and North America and elsewhere |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. And as individuals what would you propose we all do in a concerted effort? |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. It's a false assumption that a war-type effort would mean "lost wages while we do it"... |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
21. Obviously it's a wake-up alarm, but also couldn't much of the vegetation be harvested as well ... ? |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I'm familiar with the tundra. Just came through it by train. Besides the logistical problem... |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
22. Well hell! |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I like a joke as much as anyone, but it's strange how so many people like to joke about this issue. |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. No offense intended. |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. No offense taken at all. It's just an odd how muddled this has become... |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. I think “polarizing” is an excellent term! |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. No offense, but you need to become more informed. |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Also, learn about the planetary cycle that greenhouse gasses |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I will agree that we must disagree. |
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time_has_come (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. You see science as political theater. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. buy a clue |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. I sure hope you didn't and/or won't breed, with your care-less-about-consequences attitude. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. So, do you maintain that we should just gleefully burn as much fossil fuel |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Settle down – try not to expel too much co2. |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Ooh! It burns! The witty, Dorothy-Parkeresque snark! It's so FUNNY and ORIGINAL!!!!!! |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
56. Wrong. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. We need a huge volcano to throw enough debris into the air |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. I was actually quite surprised to find out that contrails probably help |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. It would be horrible, but it might buy us some time. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
59. Global dimming - the cooling effect of jet contrails and such - is just MASKING |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Our kids should be really pissed at the mess we are leaving them. |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
65. "thank god nuclear winter canceled out global warming" |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
44. Tundra is not ice and snow |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. don't tell that to the journalists that spin the story to fit their view nt |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I wonder if the protruding stems and branches in spring and fall may make a difference |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. Not as dark as taller vegetation though |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
53. this issue is too serious for some |
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