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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:10 PM
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Scotland defends Megrahi's release
Source: Al Jazeera


Saif al-Islam, right, said al-Megrahi's release
had often been raised with UK in oil and gas talks

Scotland defends Megrahi's release

Scotland has rejected criticism from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) over the release of the Libyan man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing, while the British government strongly denied Tripoli's claims that the gesture was linked to trade deals.

In a letter to Kenny MacAskill , Scotland's justice secretary, released on Saturday, Robert Mueller, the FBI director, denounced his decision to free Abdel basset al-Megrahi.

Mueller, who in 1991 was assistant attorney general in charge of the investigation of al-Megrahi, wrote that he was "outraged at the decision, blithely defended on the grounds of 'compassion'".

But the Scottish government hit back, saying that while compassionate release might not be part of the US justice system, it was a proper part of Scotland's.


Read more: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2009/08/20098222368517564.html
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krister Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:02 PM
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1. In a Scottish prison he would probably recieve better medical treatment than most Americans
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 10:02 PM by krister
In Libya, his battle with cancer may cause him quite a bit more suffering.

The "compassion" that lead to his release may be questionable whether his release was part of a trade or not.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:40 AM
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2. So, suddenly the fact that there is a "Scottish Government"
(and particurarly different Scottish law) hits the headlines.

As I recall, the conviction of this man (and of Libya) wasn't very convincing in the first place. Wasn't there a CIA op going on, involving that flight, at the time? I also heard Sirian interests mentioned.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:03 AM
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3. Scottland Yard knows something that the general public won't be told
But they are willing to tow "the appeasement" line in the west

Just to stir your spook pot, here is a completely unrealted story

With scuba gear under a burka, French spy Herve Jaubert made his escape from Dubai
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gnm2C1B8vbI/SpEaaOtYBAI/AAAAAAAAD1Q/LkrnwTbAUOg/s320/burka+spy+3.jpg

Herve Jaubert, a former French spy, dressed in scuba diving gear and covered up like an Arab woman to flee from threatened torture.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/6074279/With-scuba-gear-under-a-burka-French-spy-Herve-Jaubert-made-his-escape-from-Dubai.html

seems the burka can be used to swing both ways by all sides ! ;)
?
But
why would a French '"spy" feel the need to escape from Dubai?
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:16 AM
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4. this is of course bull
France doesn't have to spy on Dubai, we have a military base there with jets, navy etc....

sounds like a typical case of Munchaüsen syndrome
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:54 AM
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5. Thats kinda like saying the US doesn't spy on friendlies either
From Munich to Munchhausen, everybody has embassy's set up for the purpose to doing business

To the Emirati authorities, on the other hand, he is a liar and convicted fraudster.

The publication of his book, Escape from Dubai, is set to be another of the battlegrounds on which the emirate is trying to restore its reputation as a place to do business in the face of the financial crisis.Although many other foreign businessmen have fallen foul of the Dubai authorities since the first cracks began to appear in its property-led investment boom, none was involved in anything quite as eccentric as the construction of miniature luxury submarines.

......


Of all Dubai's numerous government-linked companies, Dubai World is the most closely associated with its rise to glitzy pre-eminence in recent years, and the most closely associated with the debts that have followed.

The property subsidiary that built the Palm islands and the World has to repay a $3.5 billion (£2.1 billion) bond by December, and has not yet said how it is going to do so.

With work on many of its high-profile developments, including the World, slowed or stopped, it is not clear where, other than a government bail-out, the money is going to come from.

...


Dubai
hmmmm.

Many years ago I recall numerous threads posted on this board about Dubai and the planned purchase of east coast US port control operations. ( *co was pushing the idea of allowing the sale )


Comments about the sale to "business interests located in Dubai " were not thought to be Munchaüsen syndrome then ;)



But your prognosis has been duly noted doc toc.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:49 AM
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7. He is a former spy who went there to operate a business;
it's easier to draw conclusions after reading the article.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:09 AM
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6. God is sending Hurricane Bill to take revenge on Scotland
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:55 AM
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8. Why are the Irish punished by this Bill? What is the fraking GAWD thinking about?
The Irish had nothing to do with this.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:01 AM
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9. It's their fault for putting their country so close to Scotland
:nuke:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:11 AM
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11. Yes, because we the God Almighty USA are the arbiters of all that is "Just and Moral."
:crazy:

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:29 PM
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13. My mom's cousin's husband was a passenger on Pan Am 103 - I had met him just a few years earlier
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 02:37 PM by slackmaster
No punishment would be too severe for anyone involved in the attack.

http://www.victimsofpanamflight103.org/victims
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:07 PM
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15. Yes, retribution is the way ... because we are all knowing and blessed AMERICA.
We hold the moral high ground. Listen to what we say NOT what we do. :(
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:25 AM
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18. Retribution is less important than making sure the guy doesn't kill anyone else
Letting him out of prison before he's dead puts everyone in the world at risk.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:11 PM
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16. Epic Fail
:puke:
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:03 AM
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17. Er, have you ever been to Scotland?
The weather there is punishment already!
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:06 AM
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10. Cool. Very cool.
:) :hi:
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:31 AM
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12. This falls into the We Will NEVER Know dustbin
There are certainly questions about his conviction:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208432/A-2m-witness-payment-bogus-forensic-evidence-Pentagon-memo-blaming-Iran-How-Lockerbie-bomber-threatened-Scottish-justice.html

The suggestion that Iran (non-withstanding Gaddafi's claim a few years ago of having the 'honor' for the bombing) was the responsible party certainly seems plausible, especially in view of the US Navy having, only a few month's before, shot down an Iranian Civilian Airliner killing all 300 or so aboard.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/shootingdown_iranair_flight655.php

The incident continued to overshadow U.S.-Iran relations for many years. Following the explosion of Pan Am Flight 103 six months later, the British and American governments initially blamed the PFLP-GC, a Palestinian militant group backed by Syria, with assumptions of assistance from Iran in retaliation for Iran Air Flight 655. The blame was later shifted to Libya.

Vice President George H. W. Bush (later President of United States of America) declared a month later,
"I will never apologize for the United States of America, ever. I don't care what the facts are."
Newsweek, August 15, 1988
------------

It is also of note, that at the time she fired on the airliner, USS Vincennes was under attack by Iranian gun-boats, and those on-board were highly stressed. Though the ship and crew were awarded medals, to me it seems that the CIC staff simply panicked and ignored what they were actually seeing. As evidence to support this, another cruiser, USS Sides, had also been tracking flight 655 & concluded that it was, indeed, a commercial flight.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:07 PM
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14. Syria, yes. Rather than Siria.
(I was thinking in Spanish).

We doubt the "official story" there almost as much as, for example, the Dr. David Kelly no-inquest case and, you-know-what.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:51 AM
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19. All about Britain's business contracts with Libya...
So also a big FU to Gordon Brown and Co.
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