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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:20 PM
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Iraq's Chalabi Says 'Blame CIA, Not Me' About WMD
:eyes:

Iraq's Chalabi Says 'Blame CIA, Not Me' About WMD
1 hour, 15 minutes ago

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Iraqi Governing Council member Ahmed Chalabi says he is tired of being blamed for misleading the United States about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and points the finger instead at the CIA in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" to be aired on Sunday.

Chalabi, who heads the Iraqi National Congress exile group and has close ties to the Bush administration, says the CIA should have done a better job analyzing information received from defectors he steered their way.

"This is a ridiculous situation," says Chalabi, who still maintains that weapons of mass destruction will be found in Iraq (news - web sites).

Chalabi said the CIA knew defectors can be biased and that even the press was saying "'defectors have an ax to grind, don't believe them."'

"Now you're telling me that despite all this public evidence, the United States government took our word without checking out the people?" Chalabi said incredulously .

"Intelligence people who are supposed to do a better job for their country and their government did not do such a good job."

Chalabi, who was born into a prominent Iraqi family but spent 45 years outside Iraq before returning in April, denies coaching defectors, something the CIA believe he's done for years, according to a former CIA analyst interviewed on the show.

--snip--

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=721&e=2&u=/nm/20040306/wl_nm/iraq_chalabi_dc
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:25 PM
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1. Dont blame the CIA....
Blame Bush and Cheney's Office of Special Plans....they were gathering and interpreting intelligence from Iraq even though no one from that office had any experience with intelligence gathering!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:03 PM
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12. Absolutely 100% correct. The CIA is not to blame.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:33 PM
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2. Don't forget to blame the Mossad as well....
the Israeli spy agency was also stating that Saddam had nukes, etc.
:eyes:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:38 PM
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3. Incredible
It is mind boggling that this creep still has that job. Where are the Dems on this? Seems to me that the Dems are complicit in the entire Iraq debacle.
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Ctuser Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:48 PM
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32. You bet
Kerry's name is right up there but we can't not back him after all he'd have done what different?
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:32 PM
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40. Hi Ctuser!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:40 PM
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4. Why doesn't 60 minutes interview Karen Kwiatkowski?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 09:42 PM by maggrwaggr
That would put a stake in the heart of Bushco.

I really don't get it.

It's the truth about the "intelligence" gathered for Iraq.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/vv/20040220/lo_laweekly/51202&cid=891&ncid=1501
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:49 PM
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33. NPR interviewed her a couple of weeks ago
so I was told, anyway.
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C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:41 PM
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5. "It's their fault for listening to me."
:evilgrin:
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:45 PM
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6. This scumbag...
He's a very good liar. The following staged photo op in conjunction with the Bush Administration (sic) shows Chalabi's true colors.



*"Now you're telling me that despite all this public evidence, the United States government took our word without checking out the people?" Chalabi said incredulously.*

Chalabi and his gang of thugs received FOUR HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS from the US taxpayers.

<snip>

Start-up Company With Connection
U.S. gives $400M in work to contractor with ties to Pentagon favorite on Iraqi Governing Council


Chalabi, 59, scion of one of Iraq's most politically powerful and wealthy families until the monarchy was toppled in 1958, had been living in exile in London when the U.S. invaded Iraq. The chief architect of the umbrella organization for the resistance, the Iraqi National Congress, Chalabi is viewed by many Iraqis as America's hand-picked choice to rule Iraq.

A key beneficiary of both the oil security contract and last week's Iraq army procurement contract is Nour USA Ltd., which was incorporated in the United States last May. The security contract technically was awarded to Erinys Iraq, a security company also newly formed after the invasion, but bankrolled at its inception by Nour. A Nour's founder was a Chalabi friend and business associate, Abul Huda Farouki. Within days of the award last August, Nour became a joint venture partner with Erinys and the contract was amended to include Nour.

An industry source familiar with some of the internal affairs of both companies said Chalabi received a $2-million fee for helping arrange the contract. Chalabi, in a brief interview with Newsday, denied that claim, as did a top company official. Chalabi also denied that he has had anything to do with the security firm.

link: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uschal083671397feb15,0,735950.story

:grr:
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:51 PM
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7. Nour - Booz Allen Hamilton - Woolsey
It's like a global game of connect the dots.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:56 PM
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11. So many thugs
So little time.
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:17 PM
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18. whats sad is DU has connected the dots for over 15 months
All this truth was on DU by january of 2003.

that's why we were all in the streets on Feb. 15 2003.

Although the mainstream fascist-complicit media never chose to cover it.

Do you understand now why real revolutions seize the tv and radio stations first !!
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:41 AM
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20. Not To Pick Knits, But The Man Circled In Your Photos Is Not Chalabi.
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 12:42 AM by jayfish
He is the older figure with wearing the black tee-shirt. That being said, I find this quote amazing... "even the press was saying "'defectors have an ax to grind, don't believe them." Whaaaat? The press ate that shit up. How many times was Khidir Hamza on every pundant coral, in a single evening, spouting off about Saddam being thiiis close (pinching fingers together) to having a nuclear weapon? Gimme a f'en break.

Jay

EDITED FOR SPELLING
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:53 AM
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30. No, it isn't Chalabi. You're missing the point.
The circled man behind Chalabi in the photo on the left, who is probably one of his bodyguards, is the same man in the photo on the right who is posing as a "demonstrator" at that phony statue-destruction photo op. Capisce?
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:51 PM
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34. Yes, that's right n/t
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:18 PM
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37. If I didn't know better...
I'd say that guy is Vlade Divac of the Sacramento Kings. But there's no one who looks like Peja Stojakovic in that photo.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 04:06 PM
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39. Thanks For Pointing That Out.
Sometimes I post when I have no business doing so.

Jay
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:54 PM
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8. All that, asside from the fact this guy is a convicted con-man
stinks to holy hell.
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Sufi Marmot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:55 PM
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9. Probably not a good idea to diss the CIA like that...n/t
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:29 AM
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19. Why?
What's the CIA going to do, they got slapped by Shrubs lackeys, and they haven't done anything. One of their own operatives was outed by the WH, and they haven't done anything.

The CIA is a paper tiger, Tenet knows what side his bread is buttered on, and he isn't going to put that in dnager.

So don't expect the yahoos at the CIA to do anything, they're too
chicken***t.

THe CIA is nothing more then an extension of the Republican/NeoCon Party.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 09:14 AM
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27. You really don't have a clue about the CIA, do you?...
First, do some research on Operation Mockingbird, the CIA's program that was started in the late 1940s to place operatives in every major U. S. news media outlet, an operation that continues to this day.

Second, do a little checking on the timing between the "outing" of Valerie Plame and the beginning of the almost continuous leakage of damaging stories of all kinds about Junior and the rest of the NeoCon Junta. The wheels of justice may not turn as quickly as you personally would like, but the investigation is ongoing and making good progress.

Third, do a little research on George Tenet himself...and ask yourself why Junior chose to keep Tenet as Director of the CIA.

Fourth, the CIA is an extension of the major business interests of this country. If those business interests lose faith in their chosen man in the White House, the CIA will go to work to help turn public opinion against that individual.

Fifth, do some research on what Tenet asked Junior not to say in his State of the Union address, what he asked Colin Powell not to say in his speech to the UN, and what he has recently stated in regards to the information they supplied to the NeoCon Junta in regards to Iraqi WMDs.

Finally, the two other presidents that crossed the CIA did not finish their terms in office: JFK and Nixon.

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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:56 PM
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10. You Know, I Wouldn't Give A Flying Fuck
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 09:57 PM by voted4wellstone
I we weren't still paying these con men with our hard-earned tax dollars Bush says the guv'mint is too irresponsible to handle.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:11 PM
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13. Birds of the same feather *LOL*,...
,...they DO flock together and say exactly the same diversionary irresponsible crap over and over to themselves and every one else: "It's not my fault". Oh, those appeasers of lawlessness who preach "freedom" and "value" and "democracy" to manipulate the best of humanity for service to the worst. Yuckola!!!

:puke:
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:00 PM
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14. Beautiful.
"Now you're telling me that despite all this public evidence, the United States government took our word without checking out the people?" Chalabi said incredulously .

Good question.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:06 PM
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15. Jeez
sounds like a rotten husband claiming "Well, you LET me get away with it, you can't change the rules now. You should have stopped me!" Waaaaahhhhh
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:11 PM
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16. Great Chalabi admits we should check into the 'intell' he was feeding bu$h
this is good. He can be called before congressional committees under oath and questioned about what his organzizations purpose is and what information he was feeding to the bu$h administration, and exactly to WHOM he was feeding it ? correct?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:12 PM
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17. Amazing arrogance
I steered liars your way, and its your fault for believing them.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:54 AM
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21. Guess who was 1 of the 5 refusing to sign the constitution - Chalabi
I thought he was bought and paid for. More of my tax dollars down the tube.
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:12 AM
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22. if our troops knew what was REALLY going on
they'd shoot chalabi and the rest of his gang.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 04:10 AM
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23. Chalibi Is Professional Liar
so if he is asked to testify in senate hearing, he will lie to them. The man has 45 years experience of lying. He is a criminal
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 04:37 AM
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24. ths is disgusting
there is nothing but obfuscation on the part of everyone and I hold Democrats along with that by the lack of remarks and apparent compliance.

They are making a damn joke out of a needless, ruthless slaughter and the continued slaughter. This will not end-No one, it seems, is willing to get to the bottom of it. And now the circus begins--Chalabi on one of Sunday shows. People for years to come will be writing books and confusing the issue more--the fact is that Bush wanted to invade Iraq--on Rumsfeld's advice and with the prodding of those around him that embraced the Straussian, PNAC doctrine. Bush will get to deny and slowly a case is being made it was not his fault--it was the fault of the CIA. Americans are being jerked around by a man who began his administration by simply taking it-illegally-it has been that way for almost four years==what he wants he takes--and do not hold him accountable--he blames someone else and even fights families of people whowere killed in 9-11.

He is a monster

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 05:11 AM
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25. NeoCons are Criminals
Chalabi is playing a con game. He knows damn well that the NeoCons paid him to provide info to bolster their plans of invasion and didn't care about the truth of his contact's info. It was all part of the Big Lie to invade. Perhaps, Shrub didn't even know about all of this to keep him in the plausible deniabilty box. Shrub asked for info to make the case to invade. The Office of Special Plans provided it. It was a shell game. The American ignorant sheep bought it hook, line and sinker and most still believe the Big Lie.

Now we have 911, Iraq, Plane Outing, Haliburton and other investigations going on. Will any of these lead to criminal charges of Shrub and the Neofascist gang?
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:02 AM
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26. If he did not know about it and acted on that
poor advice, then he should see to it that heads rolled. That would be the responsible thing to do. Instead the same people who supposedly gave him poor intelligence, have been allowed to keep giving him more intelligence. He is not showing outrage at them, he is not showing initiative to improve anything to prevent it from happening in the furutre, and that is typical Bush adolescent stupidity. He cannot admit he was wrong--if indeed, he would cliam plausable denial. Personally, I think he knew about everything and is hell bent on a course that every fascist loves--war, corporate profit and religious mysticism.

He has not done a thing to change everything or anything that caused this horror. So whether or not he has plausible denial, once discovered he should be acting llike a "steady leader" and taking out those bad apples from the barrell. Right?

Ain't gonna happen.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 09:27 AM
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28. The analyst Pollack says blame US Officials not Chalabi!
This sounds like must see tv...

<snip>Pollack said they were looking "to simply confirm a preconceived notion of an extremely threatening Iraq ... on the cusp of acquiring the most advanced ... dangerous weapons."

Pollack blames senior U.S. officials, not Chalabi.

"This is one of those ... 'fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me,"' said Pollack. "Chalabi has a track record. We knew this guy wasn't telling us the truth."

A defiant Chalabi said he was eager to further defend himself.

"I want to be asked to testify in the United States Senate in the Intelligence Committee. I want to do this in an open session," he says.






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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 09:57 AM
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29. ~"Hey I just tell 'em stuff it's their job to figure out if I am lying ...
THROUGH MY TEETH

Oh but since you came over and took over the country can I be in charge?

Very convenient.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:55 AM
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31. Taking bets on the number of days 'til things take a turn for the worse
for Chalabi.

It was exactly a week between Perle's call for Tenet's head and Perle's resignation.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:03 PM
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35. Not long, apparently: US cancels big Iraq army contract
Washington, March 6 - The US army canceled a $327 million contract to equip the Iraqi army on Friday, citing technical problems with the bidding process and denied political considerations played a role in awarding the original contract.

An army official told reporters that new proposals for the work would be sought after a review found a huge spread in competing bids, an indication that competing suppliers had not understood the contract requirements in a uniform way.

"When we looked at the statement of work we saw that there were some ambiguities in there," said the US army official who spoke on condition he was not further identified.

Losing companies have claimed their bids were not properly assessed, that Virginia-based Nour USA had made an unrealistically low bid and that it did not have the experience to fulfill the contract.

Nour USA has said it stands by its proposal and insists it won the deal on merit. Its chairman, Houda Farouki, is a close friend of Iraqi governing council member Ahmed Chalabi. Efforts to reach a Nour representative about the cancellation were not immediately successful.

The US army official rejected suggestions that political connections played a role in the initial award to Nour.

http://www.iribnews.com/Full_en.asp?news_id=199811
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:07 PM
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36. Wait a minute. Just last week Chalabi said HE would be the fall
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 02:25 PM by ignatius
guy and what they said before doesn't matter, that Hussein is gone and that's all that matters.

My God, these people can't keep their stories straight from even one week ago.

Subpoena the whole damned lot of 'em, from Bush and Cheney to Chalabi and Wolfowitz. Question them individually, then check out the stories one by one to the other's testimony. Every one of the bastards would be where they belong, in prison cells for a long damn time.

O edit, here is the story: "As far as we're concerned we've been entirely successful," Chalabi is quoted as saying."That tyrant Saddam is gone and the Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before is not important."

http://www.back-to-iraq.com/archives/000685,php

Unbelievable gall..forget the lies and bullshit we fed the American people, forget the billions of dollars plundered from the U S treasury, forget the thousands of innocent men,women and children killed, nevermind that 530 young Americans will never be coming home to their wives,husbands,children or parents, I got what I wanted..

Go to hell,you lying,scummy,pathetic excuse for a human being.

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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:56 PM
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38. Chalabi and False Intelligence
Chalabi expected that he would be placed into power in Iraq by the U.S. Chalabi had very close communications with Cheney's top staff when the Iraq invasion was planned. Cheney decided to put more credence on Chalabi than the CIA, which put many qualifications upon their findings. Chalabi is still a fugitive from a fraud conviction in Jordan.

Here is a brand new connection between the false intelligence and Chalibi:

"Experts Say U.S. Never Spoke to Source of Tip On Bioweapons
Information From Iraqi Relayed By Foreign Agency, CIA Notes
Washington Post, March 5, 2004

The Bush administration's prewar assertion that Saddam Hussein had a fleet of mobile labs that could produce bioweapons rested largely on information from an Iraqi defector working with another government who was never interviewed by U.S. intelligence officers, according to current and former senior intelligence officials and congressional experts who have studied classified documents.

...Powell said "firsthand descriptions" of the mobile bioweapons fleet had come from an Iraqi chemical engineer who had defected ...

The claims about the mobile facilities remain unverified, however, and now U.S. officials are trying to get access to the Iraqi engineer to verify his story, the sources said, particularly because intelligence officials have discovered that he is related to a senior official in Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress, a group of Iraqi exiles who actively encouraged the United States to invade Iraq.


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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:22 PM
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41. Me Thinks Chalabi is going to be taken out to the woodshed by the CIA
About damn time.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:43 PM
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42. Chalabi shouldn't flatter himself
Hes saying, "I lied and it's their fault if they believed me."

However, there is little to suggest that that intelligece community really believed him. The OSP wasn't created to analyze intelligence; it was created to the promote lies that Chalabi and other were spouting.


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