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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:54 AM
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Report reveals yet another unapproved CIA interrogation method: The hard takedown
Source: Raw Story

In the 2004 CIA inspector general report released on Monday, there’s a a great deal of redacted information on something called the “hard takedown.”

What a “hard takedown” is isn’t completely clear. But the massive redactions from the inspector general’s report suggest a technique equally dark as some of the more disturbing tactics involved.

...

Declared to be a security risk, with no reason given to him or his appointed legal representative, Mr. Agiza was ordered to leave Sweden, and was met by US officials upon his expulsion. He recalls the encounter:

“All of the men wore dark hoods and were dressed in civilian clothes,” the report states. “Mr. Agiza was brought into a small room. There the men conducted a physical search, forcibly sliced off his clothes, including his underwear, inserted suppositories into his rectum, fitted him with a diaper, dressed him in overalls, blindfolded him, and placed a hood over his head. One of the men photographed the whole process.”



Read more: http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/26/another-unapproved-cia-interrogation-the-hard-takedown/#



More at the link...

-Diane

RIP, Senator Kennedy.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:15 PM
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1. K&R
when it rains it pours.

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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 01:24 PM
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2. This is very Nazi-like. What kind of suppositories would they insert in his rectum and why?
The diaper was so they wouldn't have to stop to use the restroom?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 01:26 PM
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3. Why? So he'd poop the diaper probably. Wearing a clean diaper is probably not
that big a deal. I don't recall personally, but my son always seemed ok with it when he was an infant.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 01:28 PM
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4. And what was in the suppositories?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 02:00 PM
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5. A sedative most likely. Easier to insert than forcing them to swallow.
It's more humiliating to do it that way.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:58 PM
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11. The thing is that for a continent adult it is unbearably humiliating...
That is, if you were forced by ill health to be diapered you would presumably inure yourself to the situation. But for anyone with normal bowel control this is deliberately designed to break them down emotionally.

Hekate

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 02:36 PM
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6. The "take down" is used in prisons, normally to subdue an out of control
Edited on Wed Aug-26-09 02:59 PM by merh
inmate. Ideally, the technique is used in cell extractions, when the inmate has posed a threat to himself and will not leave his cell.

CERT (Corrections Emergency Response Team) is called in to control the inmate, the idea is to subdue with minimal risk to the inmate and the guards.

Read this article on CERT http://www.corrections.com/articles/16253



The video linked at this forum gives you a "vague" understanding. http://forums.prisonofficer.org/main-control/3464-prison-takedown-naked-ready-action.html

What it sounds like to me is they (the interrogation staff over the detainees) perverted the "take down" and it was used to control and intimidate a detainee that was compliant and that didn't pose a danger or a threat to himself of others.

Edited to add this link:
Even well trained CERTs can be used improperly and become GOON SQUADS.
http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/prison/okaloosa.html

More videos of cell extractions:

This is a video of the training of the military
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLjfqdwS2XI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fxxcCBpOSM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXCAovElzvg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64sWzzhSWEE

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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 04:26 PM
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7. thanks, merh
That may well be how they came up with the term.

-Diane
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 05:20 PM
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8. If you look at the video links I provided you can see two videos of
servicemen being "trained" in the "take down". (I might add, poorly trained.) The powers that be perverted legitimate techniques.

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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:58 PM
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9. That video from the prison in Maine is really horrible.
And the one from the prison site...whoa. All that force and firepower for one nude, and obviously unarmed man?

-Diane
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 08:12 PM
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10. When done right, the extractions are vital to the safety of the inmate
and staff. That one with the naked man in the corridor is just too much force for one fellow, but then again I've seen a highly agitated inmate with mental issues take down six guards while being pepper sprayed - their strength is unbelievable. The training films of the service men are all wrong, it becomes a game of abuse and when trained that the bad guy is dangerous and you don't have to care about their health and safety, it is often deadly.

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