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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:12 PM
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Biden: Obama health plan to be bold, contentious
Source: AP

Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday the Obama administration is fiercely determined to get a health care overhaul, although he conceded it likely won't happen without "an awful lot of screaming and hollering."

Appearing at a Brookings Institution gathering to talk up the employment dividends of the $787 billion economic stimulus plan, Biden said it will be difficult to find a consensus on remaking the system. But he also predicted that "we're going to get something substantial" and said he believes "we're going to get there."

Biden spoke as President Barack Obama continued a pre-Labor Day rest at Camp David. Obama is shifting his push for health care changes into high gear next week with a State of the Union-style address to a joint meeting of Congress. The vice president suggested Obama will tell Congress and the American people precisely what he thinks must be included in the package that the White House is pressing lawmakers to approve this fall.

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Biden did not say whether the screaming would come from liberals who feel Obama is accepting too many compromises, or from conservatives and moderates who feel his plan costs too much and threatens the health of private insurance companies.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090903/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_health_care_overhaul
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:14 PM
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1. It better be
and Congress had better stop dithering and pass the sucker or Obama will be stuck with a GOP Congress the way Clinton was and for the same reason.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:14 PM
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2. He is too smart to abandon progressives--look what Clinton got from GOP for all his triangulating
they hounded him till his last day of office, and a couple of months after.

I think Obama is smarter, and more importantly, more idealistic than that.

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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 07:47 PM
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28. they still hound him and make fun of him n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:14 PM
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3. Love Biden..Love Obama..they're are up against
the most major A$$holes the country offers up.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:22 PM
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5. And That's Just The Media
n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 04:41 PM
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19. Didn't love Biden till his Kennedy eulogy. Now I do.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 12:39 AM
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33. You mean Rahm Emmanuel and his corporate friends? (n/t)
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:49 PM
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4. Dare I hope that there has been a strategy here all along?
I guess I will dare to do so and risk yet another disappointment.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:22 PM
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6. I Have A Feeling All This "Softening On The Public Option" Is A Bit Of Misdirection
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 01:23 PM by Beetwasher
It gets the progressive base really fired up and active at exactly the time they need to be loudest.

Meanwhile, the idiot Repub wingnuts blew their wad in mid-august and are running out of steam now.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:37 PM
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9. All I know is..
The Obama admin is going to get the Public Option passed..and all this is leading up to it.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:22 PM
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13. If you are correct, I will be very surprised.
I fully expect him to sell out on the public option. I hope I'm wrong.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:45 PM
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17. "I Hope I'm Wrong"
Sure you do.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:17 PM
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23. Yeah...
...because anyone who doesn't believe that Obama's history of selling-out is a brilliant secret plan to (as you say) "get the progressive base really fired up and active" doesn't really want health care reform.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:40 PM
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30. Your Propoganda Is Pathetic
Careful, your agenda is showing.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:27 PM
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21. He's broken enough promises to warrant that feeling.
NT!

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 04:43 PM
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20. Yes, dear. It's all been a magnificent, brilliant plot.
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 04:44 PM by aquart
Better to think that than he walked ungratefully over the necks of the left while sucking up to the right.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:19 PM
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24. +1
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:41 PM
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31. Ok, Chester, Whatever You Say
I guess you've seen the bill he signed? When did that happen? Oh, it didn't, but that doesn't stop the hysterics.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:52 PM
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7. What a team....these guys absolutely get it
:kick:
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:09 PM
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8. Very anxious to hear the speech
Maybe then we'll know what we like/dislike about the President's goals.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:00 PM
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10. Good, well overdue! We will all have his back!
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 03:01 PM by LaPera
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:01 PM
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11. It is time for leadership. Sounds like they are done with the Republican's obstructionist tactics
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 03:01 PM by BREMPRO
and are going to line up the blue dogs against the wall and read them the riot act. I hope he also uses all his powers of persuasion and affirms the support of americans for major reform. He needs to seize the moment to push the political momentum back to substantial change and not watered down compromise that accomplishes nothing. This speech should be high political drama!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:06 PM
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12. Obama, bold?
Be still my heart. I've been waiting for someone bold since Howard Dean. Still waiting...Mr. President..oh surprise us all you rascal.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:27 PM
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14. Obama gave the republicans
more chances than they deserve. They need to be reminded that they LOST the election, big time. The Dems are in power now and they need to start act like winners. "Bold" is definitely called for now. FDR didn't get Social Security through by being meek.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:42 PM
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15. This is how FDR handled Republicans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x249812

"FDR responds with good humor at Republican attempts to lay blame for the Great Depression at his doorstep. The president however takes exception to those who would assail his scotch terrier Fala "

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:56 PM
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18. AND this one is my favorite!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x272456

This campaign speech in 1936 destroyed his opponent who only carried two states. A columnist at the time joked that if FDR's opponent had given one more speech, FDR would have carried Canada as well.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:43 PM
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16. Video of VP Biden saying this --->
Vice President Biden comments on President Obama's upcoming speech on health care reform: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwtHcy44SyU

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Pharlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:34 PM
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22. "Pre-Labor Day rest"?
Could they have stated that ANY more poorly?

Insinuating he needs a rest from his weeklong vacation?

He's probably doing more during this 'pre-Labor Day rest' than Dimson did in a year.
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:25 PM
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25. Let's hope Obama stops with his trying to placate the ... dining room tables.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:27 PM
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26. I hope the screaming and hollering comes from the health insurance industry... nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:52 PM
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32. That would be something to hear wouldn't it? Please President
Obama make this be the time we don't have to pay for the wealthy to feel good.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:36 PM
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27. call it what you want, but there better be a strong public option
or you can kiss 2010 and 2012 goodbye.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:06 PM
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29. It's not a matter of "screaming from libs or from cons"
The cons will scream anyway. So it's a matter of screaming from wingers or screaming from everyone.
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