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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:34 PM
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Banks fight plan to regulate derivatives
Source: The Australian

WALL Street is suiting up for a battle to protect one of its richest fiefdoms -- the $US592 trillion ($709 trillion) over-the-counter derivatives market that is facing the biggest overhaul since its creation 30 years ago.

Five US commercial banks, including JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs Group and Bank of America, are on track to earn more than $US35 billion this year trading unregulated derivatives contracts.

At stake is how much of that business they and other dealers will be able to keep.

"Business models of the larger dealers have such a paucity of opportunities for profit that they have to defend the last great frontier for double-digit, even triple-digit returns," says Christopher Whalen, managing director of Torrance, California-based Institutional Risk Analytics.

The Washington fight, conducted mostly behind closed doors, has been overshadowed by the noisy debate over healthcare.

That's fine with investment bankers, who for years quietly wielded their financial and lobbying clout on Capitol Hill to kill efforts to regulate derivatives.

This time could be different. The reason: widespread public and congressional anger over the role derivatives such as credit default swaps played in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. "Public sentiment isn't very much in their favour," says Richard Lindsey, a former director of market regulation at the US Securities and Exchange Commission who worked at Bear Stearns Co from 1999 to 2006, referring to Wall Street firms.

"In some places, they're not going to have anybody who wants to listen to them."


Read more: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,26022572-36418,00.html
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:43 PM
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1. They can't duck this, can they?
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 12:45 PM by LiberalAndProud
ETAsk: What does this mean? "paucity of opportunities for profit "
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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:48 PM
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2. double-digit, even triple-digit returns....
aka legalized, unregulated, INSURED (via gov't bailouts) GAMBLING!
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:48 PM
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3. Another surprise.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:55 PM
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4. Why regulate them? What's the worst that could happen?
:)
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:16 PM
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5. Banks cannot be allowed to make money out or air.
Which is what they did here.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:29 PM
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6. It's gambling with taxpayers paying the losing big bets and banks keeping the wins
if a Democratic president and Congress lets this outrage continue we are worthless as a party.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:06 PM
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7. Didn't anyone here notice that this is from an Australian paper???
...........You are NOT reading or hearing about this REALLY BIG news story. The US media is sitting on their hands on this one, and why not? Most if not all of the papers and TV stations/networks are owned by super huge corporations that either are heavily financed or a subsidiary of Wall street.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:12 PM
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8. I did notice that.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing for health insurance reform? I'll be glad when this debate has been settled, it was a long August.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:22 PM
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9. It definitely had an effect on healthcare. It the media was at least............
.........half honest you would have at least heard more on "Medicare for all". Even MSNBC as of yesterday seems to be pushing (more than before) the "drop the public option" meme.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:23 PM
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10. I have for a few years maintained that we have our own "distinctly American"..........
.............version of censorship.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:34 PM
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13. Do you suppose editorial staffs have weekly luncheons?
It seems like there is some trust-busting to be done.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:22 PM
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11. Long overdue . . .
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:26 PM
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12. "Banks fight plan to regulate derivatives"! I keep reading that again and again.
It's so comical to read.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:35 PM
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14. Jewel thieves fight plan to install alarm systems.
Really. Who would have thunk it?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 04:13 PM
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15. Heck, I was trying to think of a comparison like that but couldn't. It's perfect. Though,
of course, the reality is that it's an "inside job", with the bankers robbing the public blind.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 04:20 PM
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16. Get the guillotine oiled and detailed.
They want to do it all again. With bonusses. I am about tired of this wealth redistribution.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 04:22 PM
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17. Well heck, let's just get rid of them all together, just outlaw the damn things.
It these are supposed to be some sort of "insurance" against financial trouble, they have done a really, really bad job of it.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:26 PM
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18. Tax profits on derivatives at 99%, effective tomorrow. That will solve the problem
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:32 PM
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19. This is almost as important as health care reform.
It will be a fight I'm not optimistic about.
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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:33 PM
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20. What is the case to even allow derivatives?
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:44 PM
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21. New law:
"Any bank which trades in unregulated derivatives is prohibited from receiving government money".

Let's see if they like gambling with their own money.
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 07:42 PM
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22. I would be amazed if the banks end up been, properly regulated.
They have so much money and with it, power. They can buy just about anybody in congress off. They have all the republicans in their back pocket , all they need is one Dem in the senate to filibuster any legislation they disagree with.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:23 PM
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23. OK here we go.
Just starting to fix the problems that got us into this mess. Without an absolute win, and that means no compromises with the banks, the current financial meltdown will just happen again and again. And all the debt we've encumbered for the stimulus money will have been for nothing.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:28 PM
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24. we need a strong Banking Public Option....
....I don't trust corporate casino banking or their lackies on wall street, and in congress....let them keep their unregulated market-crashing ponzi-schemes so long as we and main-street have an independent, government run and secured, non-profit National Banking System administered by the federal government....and let the moral-hazards doctrine resume....

....but like all legislation produced by congress for the rich, they'll write the new set of regulations just as soon as corporate America constructs a way around them....laws and regulations are for chumps like us....
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