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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:34 PM
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Cuba? It was great, say boys freed from US prison camp{Guardian}
A trio of Afghan boys, released after 14 months in captivity, speak highly of their experiences and Americans.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1163435,00.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:39 PM
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1. Goebbels, in hell, must be beaming at the use of this article.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:28 PM
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13. The Guardian is many things
US propaganda it is not.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:35 PM
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16. I understand English nuances pretty well.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:42 PM
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2. That is the most bizarre story I've ever read.
What they hey? :wtf:
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:44 PM
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3. how much you wanna bet this is used by the right to show how greaaaaaaaaat
Guantanamo is?

Of course, they'll skip bits like:

"Naqibullah's first 10 days in Guantanamo were the worst of his life, he said. He was put in a tiny cell with a single slit-window as his interrogation continued. Then everything changed. "I was taken to an American general who said, 'We will educate you and soon you will go home'. And my situation improved."

I'm guessing every one else doesn't have the friendly General to educate him.

Shit, it almost sounds like the background for a sitcom!

"Educating Naqibullah" - hello, get me CBS on line two! STAT!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:33 PM
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15. that is my take... one of two things
someone in the chain of command realizing these were young kids - and believed that kids had no business being there but couldn't do anything about it - so pull a few strings...

or

someone saw a clever mode of propoganda. Treat these kids well, give them an education, send them back to spread the word of good will and treatment at the hands of the Americans at Guantanamo.

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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:37 PM
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17. could be a combination of the two
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 04:23 AM
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21. When I read this one
I immediately thought of the latter situation. It could well be a combination of the two, but I'm willing to place odds on the decision-maker in this case being one who understands the political value of a situation.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:45 PM
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4. An interesting article, but I am not sure what to make of it
Everything in the article may well be true, but I tend to be a bit skeptical of these reports:

- foreigners (U.S. soldiers speaking English) come to your country, arrest you, and imprison you for a year. Finally, they let you go.
- then more foreigners (U.K. journalists speaking English) look you up and ask how you liked the experience.

At this point you may be inclined to say whatever it is you think they want to hear, if you think it will make them go away.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:46 PM
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5. What were a trio of boys doing in Guantanamo?
For some reason, I don't think our government is telling us everything...
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:50 PM
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6. Sounds like a South Park episode
"They were very strict about Islam"

I can see Eric, Stan and Kyle wondering why everyone is treating them so well in what is supposed to be a hellhole prison.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:52 PM
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7. two words
Stockholm Syndrome.
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:41 PM
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18. B-I-N-G-O!
Anyone in their situation would be just as susceptible to praising or identifying with their captors.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 12:29 AM
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19. Plus these are kids.
Boys.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:53 PM
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8. Sounds like they enjoyed their behavior modification program
mind control works real well in a closed environment.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:05 PM
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9. How many innocent boys and girls are dead or maimed
as a direct result of George W. Bush?

It is official policy for the US not to count civilian casualties in the War on Terror, as per the War President.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:15 PM
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10. Why oh why could they not have been sent home earlier?
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 08:17 PM by higher class
Someone has to ask every darn one of our military imperialists.

Maybe everything about their treatment is on the up and up, but always remember the lie of Kuwait - with the premature babies being yanked off their support systems.

This kind of lie is a willful act. How can our military and their partners in the WH be trusted?

I can't begin to imagine what kind of excuse our military imperialists are going to provide for not sending kids home to their parents if they were not caught in an act of war against us.

Learning English and science and their own language and religion is not an excuse.

Who the heck do we think we are?
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missile_bender Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:21 PM
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11. "Jewish Boys Love the Auschwitz Experience"
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:25 PM
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12. Rummy:
Donald Rumsfeld, had described Guantanamo's inmates as "hard-core, well-trained terrorists" and "among the most dangerous, best-trained, vicious killers on the face of the Earth."

I know that when I was 14, I was capable of all that and more...


not.



Mine eyes have seen the orgy of the launching of the Sword;
He is searching out the hoardings where the stranger's wealth is stored;
He hath loosed his fateful lightnings, and with woe and death has scored;
His lust is marching on.

I have seen him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps;
They have builded him an altar in the Eastern dews and damps;
I have read his doomful mission by the dim and flaring lamps --
His night is marching on.

I have read his bandit gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with my pretensions, so with you my wrath shall deal;
Let the faithless son of Freedom crush the patriot with his heel;
Lo, Greed is marching on!"

We have legalized the strumpet and are guarding her retreat;*
Greed is seeking out commercial souls before his judgement seat;
O, be swift, ye clods, to answer him! be jubilant my feet!
Our god is marching on!

In a sordid slime harmonious Greed was born in yonder ditch,
With a longing in his bosom -- and for others' goods an itch.
As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich --
Our god is marching on.

MT- 1900 when we invaded the Phillipines.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 04:25 AM
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22. Oouch. That hurt.
"Our god is marching on."

You skipped the chorus, as in Glory, Glory, Hallejujah, Glory, Glory, .........
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:30 PM
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14. They were seperated after there was a flurry of info
about them way back when. I read that they were too young to be with the other prisoners.

I, for one, am glad they were treated well. What else could The US do? I think they had to make exceptions because the whole world was furious.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 12:36 AM
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20. Propaganda...brainwashing...controlled media.
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 07:04 AM
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23. Now the CIA can infiltrate Terrorist cells
We will have a bunch of brainwashed Gitmo alumni to do our bidding.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:38 AM
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24. Rumsfelds will love this type of propaganda
BULL SHIT!!
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