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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:21 PM
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Lehman bondholders may be owed $73 billion-claim
Source: Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The trustee of holders of bankrupt Lehman Brothers' (LEHMQ.PK) senior bonds said that the debt holders may be owed as much as $73 billion, after losing their investments when the bank filed for bankruptcy protection a year ago, according to court documents.
Wilmington Trust Company claims that holders of the senior debt of the failed bank are estimated to be owed between $49 billion and $73 billion.

In addition, noteholders may seek payments on unpaid interest and costs and damages associated with Lehman's failure to repay the debt.

Lehman's estate is facing a slew of claims from creditors including bondholders, derivatives counterparties, states, towns and individuals ahead of a September 22 deadline.

Administrators of the London arm of Lehman Brothers said last month the claims it is handling against the collapsed Wall Street bank could total as much as $100 billion.

Unsecured creditors to the failed bank are expected to recover only a small portion of the money owed, due to the large number of claimants, low value of many of Lehman's assets and the complexity in unwinding the bank's operations, analysts said.


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-CreditCrisis/idUSTRE58D3EI20090914




Keep your eye on this one. WE do NOT want to pay for this with tax dollars!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:34 PM
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1. Oh, heck, what's another $73 billion, anyway? Not like they're looking for real money.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:40 PM
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2. Lehman went bankrupt. The only money paid will be from whatever's left of their assets.
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 12:40 PM by Psephos
There will be no taxpayer money injected.

My guess is that claimants will get five or ten cents on the dollar.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:19 PM
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7. See post 6. nt
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:21 PM
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8. Sad to say, you do have an excellent point there. n/t
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:39 PM
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9. What about insurance policies? Specifically from AIG? Then it'll be our pockets
picked again to pay off this stuff
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:02 PM
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3. Something is very wrong here. A company's books are kept up on a daily basis!
For a company to say they have between 49 and 73 billion owed to bondholders is ridiculous at best, criminal at worst. For a company not to know means the books have been tampered with. Of course, all of this needs to be brought out in bankruptcy court.

The order which people get paid are as follows: employees receive their up to last day worked wages, any loans from financial institutions, bond holders, preferred stock. Common Stock holders do not get paid back. Retirement funds are separate from the institution and are paid to the former employees if they have not been already raided. This is very general information.

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:08 PM
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4. There is no distinction between "loans" and "bond"
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 01:09 PM by Statistical
Bondholders are either secured or unsecured. Debt is either "Senior" or "junior".

There is no artificial head of the line privilege for banks.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:16 PM
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5. You are correct, my bad. I needed to say secured then unsecured
instead of financial institutions then bondholders.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:19 PM
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6. See "GM Bankruptcy" for a large asterisk on that one. nt
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 01:20 PM by WriteDown
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 11:47 PM
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12. Not relevant to this thread. Lehman got no bailout. Some say that fact precipitated the situation
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 11:53 PM by No Elephants
that occurred in September 2008.

But, thanks for pretending that the isolated G & M situation is somehow relevant to every bankruptcy.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 08:10 AM
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13. I didn't know that asterisks were an indication of
normal trends. That will certainly change how I read sports stats. :eyes:
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 02:26 PM
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10. Meanwhile what do common people get when their retirement funds get raided?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 03:24 PM
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11. Cat Food
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