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brooklynite

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Mon Sep-14-09 03:54 PM
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Judge questions Orly Taitz claims to have Obama birth certificate...

Source: Ledger-Enquirer

The fun never stops....

During a hearing in U.S. District Court Monday, an attorney for an Army officer fighting deployment to Iraq questioned Barack Obama�s legal right to serve as president, asserting he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

Judge Clay Land, inquisitive throughout the 90-minute hearing, said he will issue a decision on Capt. Connie Rhodes� request for a temporary restraining order by noon Wednesday.

Rhodes was represented by Orly Taitz, a California lawyer and a national figure in the �birther� movement that claims Obama does not meet the qualifications to be president.

...snip...

In her final argument, Taitz asked Land why she had to prove a �Kenyan birth certificate� she submitted as evidence was authentic, yet her opponents didn�t have to prove Obama had an authentic United States birth certificate.

Read more: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/839473.html

Read the whole story; it is impossible to digest this down into four paragraphs.

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Pab Sungenis

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Mon Sep-14-09 03:57 PM
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1. This woman is insane, and a vexatious litigant.

Disbar her.

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Wizard777

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:32 PM
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27. If she is presenting forged documents to a court. They'll disbar her while she's in jail.

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mzmolly

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Tue Sep-15-09 04:01 PM
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51. El loco!

:crazy:

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WillParkinson

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:00 PM
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2. Wow. Fun people....

She has previously served at Fort Gordon near Augusta, Fort Rucker in south Alabama and Fort Riley in Kansas.

She is currently at Fort Benning, awaiting deployment in the next week. She arrived here over the weekend.

Under questioning from Land, Rhodes said she had not declined any other orders since Obama became president.

�If Sen. McCain would have won, would you be objecting to deployment to Iraq?� the judge asked. Rhodes said no.

Land then asked the question another way: If President George W. Bush still was the commander in chief, would she be fighting the deployment?

�No, sir,� Rhodes answered.

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svpadgham

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:32 PM
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13. Here's the question the judge should have asked...

Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 04:33 PM by svpadgham

"If Barack Obama was white would you object to deployment to Iraq?"

edited for spelling

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daleo

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:37 PM
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28. Sadly, too true. n/t

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Roland99

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Mon Sep-14-09 06:03 PM
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34. +1

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kentauros

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Tue Sep-15-09 04:51 AM
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43. Taitz would have probably objected to that

(or she would if she had any legal sense.)

It might have been better had Judge Land asked "If Condoleeza Rice was President right now, would you object to deployment to Iraq?"

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LynnTheDem

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:01 PM
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3. So using Oily's (erroneous) argument; I can sue her for being stupid, and SHE has to prove she isn't

I shouldn't have to prove she is.

Ok, that's not really a fair comparison, though accurate, coz proving she's an idiot is too fucking easy. She does it herself daily.

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woodsprite

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:01 PM
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4. I'm not familiar with him, but is there any chance

Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 04:01 PM by woodsprite

this judge would rule in her favor?

I've just seen too many unbelievable things of late. It wouldn't surprise me a bit.
I thought after Obama/Biden won, it would be the start of restoring/regaining our country, but it doesn't look like it's even close anymore. It's like they cut the straps on all the freeper's and GOPers straightjackets.

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brooklynite

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:10 PM
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7. Even our FRiends realize...

..she's not being deployed the President, she's being deployed by her Chain of Command.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2339550/posts

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Swede Atlanta

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Mon Sep-14-09 06:00 PM
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33. Even if the judge issues a temporary stay this won't be over......

A temporary stay would simply suggest that the judge felt the arguments and facts were sufficiently compelling to warrant a temporary delay in the deployment.

There would be a more formal review of facts, etc., in essence a trial on the merits of the claim which she would ultimately lose because we all know Obama is a natural born American citizen born in Hawaii. It would be interesting to see how the various state bar organizations in which she is a member (based on what I've seen of her someone was taking her bar exams for her) will treat her repeated lies.

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Howardx

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:02 PM
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5. isnt taitz only allowed to practice law in CA?

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Bette Noir

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:21 PM
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23. That's the way it's supposed to be.

She didn't graduate from an accredited law school, so she's not admitted to practice outside California. Maybe she got permission from this one jurisdiction. That was a mistake.

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moonbatmax

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:25 PM
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25. Only in the way your local little league team practices baseball

Yeah, I know. I'm just in a snarky mood today.

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Hepburn

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Mon Sep-14-09 06:53 PM
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36. Federal Court ~~

~~ can be sworn into Feddie Practice if one is the member of any State Bar or DC Bar. Can therefore practice in any Feddie court no matter where located.

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Howardx

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Tue Sep-15-09 10:56 AM
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48. thanks!

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ashling

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:09 PM
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6. Anybody have any idea how much money/resources

the Army is wasting having to defend this crap?

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damntexdem

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:10 PM
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8. Why should I have to prove that I was abducted by aliens last night and then returned?

Why shouldn't everyone else have to prove that I wasn't?

;-)

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Cha

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Mon Sep-14-09 09:46 PM
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38. I know..she's going for the most stupid lawyer on the

Planet.

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tabatha

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:18 PM
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9. She is wrong in the video - Mombasa was not part of Kenya in 1961.

From Wiki:

"Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya."

And it is her onus to prove her fake certificate real.

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treestar

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:19 PM
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10. 90 minute hearing? Why are they wasting court time on this?

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BlueIdaho

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:21 PM
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11. Pack your bags Private Rhodes...

This will not end well - trust me.

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bertman

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:03 PM
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21. She's not a private. She's a medical officer, commissioned at the rank of Captain.

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Bette Noir

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:24 PM
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24. She's in violation of her contract.

If she doesn't want to go to Iraq, let her stay here. Give her a dishonorable discharge and make her pay for the cost of her education from the time she enlisted, in one lump sum.

That should about do it.

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BlueIdaho

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:32 PM
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26. So she can't be busted back in rank? nt.

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bertman

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:50 PM
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31. I doubt it because she came in as a commissioned officer. She could be made to resign

her commission or even be stripped of rank and discharged, but I'm 99% sure she cannot be busted to enlisted rank.

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BlueIdaho

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Mon Sep-14-09 11:46 PM
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40. Ok - thank you for the information! nt.

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bluestateguy

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:26 PM
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12. This officer just pissed away her military career

At worst she will be court martialed and dishonorably discharged, and at best she will be denied promotion and encouraged to retire.

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Downwinder

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:43 PM
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16. She gets a free socialized education. n/t

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dflprincess

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:53 PM
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19. Not if she gets anything less than a honorable discharge.

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peacebird

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:32 PM
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14. birth certificate does not matter - Obamas MOM was American citizen, therefore HE is too

Simple as that. It does not matter if he was born on Mars, as long as mom was a registered American citizen when he was born, then he is a citizen...

:banghead:

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brooklynite

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:49 PM
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30. Let's be fair to Orly...because lord knows, she needs all the help she can get

While President Obama would be a US Citizen by virtue of his mother's Citizenship, there's legal uncertainty about whether a Citizen born out of the Country is "Natural Born" as defined by the Constitution.

But, more importantly.....

Have you seen Obama's mother's Birth Certificate? Isn't it her responsibility to prove she was a Citizen when she was alive?

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leftynyc

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Tue Sep-15-09 12:18 PM
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50. Actually no

There was a law on the books at the time that in order for your mother to confer citizenship, she had to be 19 years old - Ms. Dunham was a few months short of that. Meaningless because he was born in HI.

They nuts are also using the argument that a natural born citizen is someone who has two citizens as parents. That they are pulling out of their asses - there is no such law.

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DWinNJ

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:34 PM
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15. If I remember facts correctly

Rhodes volunteered for Iraq and as such can request to not go to Iraq. The taking the issue to court is strictly a publicity ploy.

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vademocrat

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:52 PM
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18. No, that was another case - he lost his clearance and his contractor job -

job requires military clearance, military revokes clearance - no job.

You are right that he had volunteered to go and was able to rescind that choice.

This lady is a dr and is refusing deployment orders.

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katkat

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Tue Sep-15-09 06:36 AM
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45. not a lady

ref: "This lady is a dr"

It always annoys me when females are referred to as ladies and men are referred to as gentlemen who are clearly not.

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Brother Buzz

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:00 PM
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20. That was Major Stefan Cook...

a reserve officer. His publicity ploy backfired because he lost his military contractor job when his security clearance was yanked.

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HopeHoops

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Mon Sep-14-09 04:48 PM
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17. McCain was NOT born in the US. Obama was.

McCain is still a birth-rite US citizen, but he was NOT born in the US.

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provis99

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Tue Sep-15-09 02:23 AM
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42. George Romney wasn't born in the US either.

The Republicans sure are big on projection, aren't they?

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DFW

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:19 PM
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22. Did anyone look at the comments below the article?

Some idiot wanted Obama to prove he did NOT become an Indonesian citizen while he was there.

I want the clown who posted that to prove he has never fondled female sheep. As far as I'm concerned,
unless he proves it in a court of law, then he's a sheep fondler. Case closed.

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Rozlee

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:38 PM
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29. The U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the birther case last year

Antonin Scalia -- who else? -- took up the birthers for a hearing in December 2008, and declared (despondently, I'm sure) that they didn't have a case. Oily Taters is really wearing out her 15 minutes of infamy. But, it's a waste of time and breath to tell those birthers anything else. You see, it's their Religion. These folks are five tons of crazy in a two ton truck.

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Crowman1979

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Mon Sep-14-09 05:52 PM
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32. Excuse me, but who else is not born in the US?

Gee, why that would be Orly Taitz herself! What a f***in hypocrite.

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BluDemocratGirl

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Tue Sep-15-09 06:06 AM
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44. Word on the street that she HERSELF is NOT a US citizen!

You got that right! She was born in Israel. I saw that fake-ass birth certificate, and she and the rest of her moronic birther can go straight to hell!

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Brother Buzz

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Mon Sep-21-09 12:01 PM
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53. So, she was born in Israel and whisked off to Moldova as a child just so she...

emigrate to Israel as a 20 year old student in 1981, and that long form Moldavian birth certificate is a fraud? Sneaky!

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Gman

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Mon Sep-14-09 06:37 PM
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35. Here's what they don't understand:

�Who has the burden of establishing that the president of the United States is not eligible to serve in his office?� Land asked Taitz.
The judge pointed out that burden fell on Rhodes because she sought the restraining order to stop her deployment.

In any tribunal system in this country, you make the accusation, you have to prove it. All the other person has to do is defend against the accusation.

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muntrv

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Mon Sep-14-09 08:43 PM
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37. Judge needs to ask if Orly Taitz is a homo-sapien.

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Piewhacket

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Mon Sep-14-09 10:03 PM
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39. The injunction will be denied.

Service person has no standing to challenge Pres authority and the
issue of birth is moot anyway, since thats for congress to do, and
its now too late.

But it is an amusing circus.

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tavalon

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Tue Sep-15-09 02:22 AM
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41. Oily Taint, as I call her, is almost as fun as Sarah Palin

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strategery blunder

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Tue Sep-15-09 06:39 AM
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46. The Oily lulz never stop, do they?

"In her final argument, Taitz asked Land why she had to prove a “Kenyan birth certificate” she submitted as evidence was authentic, yet her opponents didn’t have to prove Obama had an authentic United States birth certificate."

Hey Oily, in civil suit burden of proof is on the PLAINTIFF...or did they not teach you that in your not-accredited "law school?" :rofl:

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Javaman

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Tue Sep-15-09 09:54 AM
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47. the comments are insane...

angry right wing nuts, too chicken to serve in the military, want to take their less than honorable angst out on all those who allow them to scream and yell bullshit that covers up their short comings.

aka angry racist white men pissed off at having an African American President.

The rights bizarre sudden fury over what is important to this nation is down right laughable.

Now they suddenly care about the constitution? where were these fucking morons when the patriot act was passed?

nothing worse than willful tools who enjoy being manipulated.

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Piewhacket

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Tue Sep-15-09 11:51 AM
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49. I conclude its not about law. Its about doing the only thing left...

throwing a fit.

What's really shocking is that Oily didn't throw herself
to the ground and pound her little fists as she screamed
"Why do I have to prove anything!, Why,Why, Why!!!!"

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Lasher

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Wed Sep-16-09 05:48 AM
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52. She's trying to be the new Ken Starr

Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 05:48 AM by Lasher

That's exactly what this is all about.

"It'll plague Obama throughout his presidency. It'll be a nagging issue and a sore on his administration, much like Monica Lewinsky was on Clinton. "It's not going to go away, and it will drive a wedge in an already divided public."

Joseph Farah, founder and editor-in-chief of the right wing extremist website WorldNetDaily

http://www.courant.com/topic/chi-obama-birth-certificate1dec08,0,4658002.story?track=rss-topicgallery

Too bad for Taitz, she doesn't have $100 million in taxpayer money or a partisan GOP Congress to run interference, so she won't be able to drag this pathetic act out for 12 years. As it is, her current antics are only being covered by one newspaper: The Ledger-Enquirer in Columbus, GA. But I believe the media's interest will soon increase, once the legal system turns on her at last for having filed these false and frivolous lawsuits.

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