Senate Votes To Deny Funds To ACORN

Source: Associated Press

(AP) — WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Monday to block the Housing and Urban Development Department from giving grants to ACORN, a community organization under fire in several voter-registration fraud cases.

The 83-7 vote would deny housing and community grant funding to ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

DEVELOPING...

Read more: http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/national-9/1252970691228910.xml&storylist=washington

fucked up.

that really tilted the election for Obama, doncha know.

Why ACORN didn't send a notice about what was going to to each local office is beyond me.

If I was a professional loan agent, and someone sent a memo telling me not to give loans to people posing as pimps and prostitutes I think I would be offended...

We couldn't be expected to perform well on this secret ethics investigation because we weren't warned in advance that there would be a secret ethics investigation that we should behave for.

Like saying : well officer if I'd known you were checking how fast people were going then obviously I wouldn't have been speeding, this ticket is your fault!

It's a questioning of incompetence.

say the least.

....Because hardly anyone was covering the story! If these Acorn "employees" had kept up with the current news, they would've seen it coming a mile away! And for the record, they're up to 4 videos. This last one shows a woman confessing to murdering her husband!

laid them the golden eggs. And they are OUT of the 2010 census. Unless something new & unexpected happens on the level of a real game-changer, Acorn have become toxic assets, make that toxic liabilities, in the political sense. In other than the safest seats imaginable, no politicians can be seen supporting them.

A name change may be in order.

Obama hired Robert Groves to the census bureau to squash this negative ammunition .
Great job 24601 !!

itself. How did it screw the pooch? BTW, NOTHING has been proven yet against the employees and there is not even an allegation that ACORN encouraged that kind of behavior by its employees. So, you might want to take a breath before leaping to your next unwarranted conclusion.

Name change? You mean like Halliburton and Blackwater? What a typically Republican "solution."

a coincidence. Three is a pattern. And with four (so far) it's hard to believe the public won't infer it's in the ACORN ethos.

well fella, one can conclude from all the outrage, stemming from both sides, ACORN has screwed the pooch when it comes to its eternal free pass. no elephants....nice. the rebuke to that would be what?.....no jack asses???

by someone not really interested in ACORN surviving in the same way a Blackwater does with a name change.

But I will reserve judgement until they show the unedited version of those tapes. These people were set up and the "filmmaker" was breaking the law.

Thousands of needy people will now go without because of the conservatives, this crook "filmmaker" and the racist teabaggers who support this type of behavior.

I urge you to make a donation to ACORN today.

The specific law, not some "you cannot tape people without them knowing" fantasy.

60 Minutes would have been off the air within weeks of their first episode if that were true.

which Ken Starr conveniently overlooked so Linda Tripp wouldn't have to go to jail for secretly taping Monica Lewinsky.

From the OP's link:
On the hidden camera controversy, ACORN says it has fired the employees involved but has lashed out at Fox for pumping up the scandal. In a statement, Bertha Lewis, ACORN's chief organizer, said the tapes had been doctored and violated Maryland's wiretapping laws. She promised to sue Fox.

AND be very loud about it. Threatening to do it is meaningless.

have to agree that they were wronged - and that the law provides a remedy. The common maxim is "He (she) who seeks equity must do equity." The more ACORN keeps their advice to assist running a brothel with underage undocumented girls, while evading taxes, the more it keeps their bad advice, and lack of outrage at the proposals, in the public eye - so the more they have to lose.

Maryland, DC, New York and now Los Angeles. First they were toast and now the toast is burning. Where is next?

NY--http://wings.buffalo.edu/law/bclc/web/NewYork/ny3(b).htm

D.C. http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/dc.html

What basis did you have for claiming otherwise?

Per your links, D.C. Code Ann. § 23-542 and N.Y. Penal Law §§ 250.00, 250.05 allows anyone who is a party to the conversation to record it- commonly known as "one party consent". What is your basis for saying otherwise?

What do you mean by "did not succeed"? The NY tape was not as bad as the Baltimore or DC tape but did possibly suggest mortgage fraud and tax evasion.

NOT donate to Acorn. Ever.

would be hollering bloody murder.

What I heard was that this sting was tried twice before they found one that fell for the bait.

I don't get it. What has ACORN done? Can any organization do what they've done and not have a handful of people (out of the 13,000 they hired) end up being jerks? And then ACORN itself turned the crooks in.

Why is nobody in Congress standing up for ACORN?

these "racist tea baggers" are 20 and 25 years old, and caught Acorn with their pants down. i urge you to open your eyes and see the problem with a federal funded agency with these types of alarming issues............Barney Frank voted to stop the funding, that should tell you a lot.

you talking about? What's your point?

If we have to defund organizations for the behavior of a few individuals, let's start with the Senate.

Obviously the soldiers who rape and murder are just proof that they are all monsters. :sarcasm:

This is kind of a broad brush they are using. ACORN is politically dead meat no matter what they do. It is nothing more than a Republican witch-hunt. So the Senate must bend over backwards to accommodate them? Is there no one in government willing to stand up to Republican smear tactics? I thought Obama was a fighter but he hasn't stood up to the Republicans on ANYTHING. I have had it with these spineless weasels.

so what's your FUCKING point? Huh?

A couple of people who allegedly "worked for Acorn" got caught in a sting operation (or posed for a video)...

faux-noise edited it to their liking and trumped up another anti-Acorn screed...

And the cowardly Dems in the Senate ate it up like yesterdays dog poop...

And caved in again to the fascist right...

And so, apparently, did you...

for sale. It's in Brooklyn. Have some more Kool-Aid.

who needs republicans...?

clever? Now run along and play.

They were made without the subjects' knowledge which is a crime, they were specifically targeted against blacks in violation of their civil rights, they were blatant entrapment. Where is the prosecution of those who made the tapes? Why isn't Faux News not shut down over this already?

Why harm a great organization that has done so much good for so many disadvantaged people?

I really hope that the President can intervene and stop this repuke-led stampede against one of the few groups that truly stands up for the little guy.

Are you serious? Have you ever watched 60 minutes, Dateline, etc.?

or Dateline's "To Catch a Predator series".

What did you expect?

laws don't come into play because they were recorded in person, not over a communications device and there was no expectation of privacy.

It's not entrapment because they (the tapers) aren't the government and what they did wouldn't meet the criteria for entrapment. And besides, the act itself of doing an entrapment isn't a crime - it's just that it's a legitimate defense against a criminal charge - but that's not an issue here.

There's no identifiable civil rights violation. What right were they denied? Everything they did or said was completely voluntary. There was no violence or threat of violence.

It's over (unless more tapes surface) and the damage is done. The damage is their standing in the court of public opinion and with politicians that could have used them in the census or provided them taxpayer monies.

What comes to mind is that it was a well-executed Information Operation. The only thing that would redeem ACORN is if it comes out that the tapes were faked and they didn't really say what it appears they said. For example if the ACORN worker really said, "Underage prostitutes from another country, sit still asshole, you're under citizens arrest for conspiracy to rape a minor, traffic in illegal immigrants, and operation of a brothel" and the tapers cut all that out and substituted the well-known financial advice on how to evade the IRS, we have a different story. It doesn't, however, look like that at this point.

Every bit of that post is wrong, including the part that implies that ACORN needs redemption.

This is a smear effort. Those who are willing to fall for it do fall for it (or pretend to), as do those who are not very bright. That does not mean ACORN needs redemption, unless having facts be known amounts to redemption in your mind.

I'm wrong.

Regarding redemption - in politics, perception is reality and if you have missed the blowback than you aren't paying attention. If they are doing OK, then the Senate would not have voted 87-3 to deny them money in FY 2010. Even Chris Dodd supported the cutoff.

I don't care if you are ACORN or the Pope, calmly listen to a business plan to run a whorehouse with underage girls from developing countries (AKA slavery and rape) and give financial advice to evade the IRS and you're in trouble.

For it to be entrapment it would have to involve an agent of the government.

And "very mistaken" is so much more serious than just "mistaken."

At least you're consistent.

Please... do you really think that Faux news wouldn't have kept taping and published the tapes if the ACORN reps that happened to be there were white? Could you cite any possible case law to suggest that this is some sort of actionable civil rights violation?

employees the Rethug duo approached look "white?" As far as a civil rights violation, unless the employees consented to the taping, laws against invading their privacy, a Constitutional and a civil right, were indeed invaded.

Or 60 minutes would have been put out of business a long time ago. There is no angle here whatsoever on this somehow being a crime to have taped them. And even if it was, this is not a court of law. How the "evidence" was gathered is irrelevant to the facts of what happened.

For some reason or another ACORN has/had a huge, huge problem with some of its employees who deal with the public.

another poster. Look at this thread and you will see the links. Maryland law is referenced in the OP. All three say you must have the consent of the other party to a conversation to record it. And that holds true whether the conversation is in person or by electronic means. Look at the statutes. Those I can discuss. I cannot address your conclusions based on watching TV without knowing what went on behind the scenes that was not aired.

the fact of the matter is the content of the tapes.....THE ACORN EMPLOYEES WERE BREAKING THE LAW.......do you feel that its ok for an agency that receives tax payer money to conduct business like this?

it isn't really a reason to expect the government to keep funding the organization.

ACORN was set up, but, due to the actions of a few employees, they fell into the trap. Hopefully, the funds will go to another organization that can continue to help the disadvantaged.

into counting the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin...

What the "law" is (It depends on the what the meaning of "is" is)...

No wonder the Dems are such a circular firing squad...

No wonder the right-wing is running rings around you'all...

The POINT is that you allowed your "representatives" to hose an ally thanks to another right-wing hatchet job...just like Van Jones, etc. etc. etc.

When are the Dems going to grow a fucking spine?

Barring a few, "The Senate" sucks!

83 is an unbelievable number. There haven't been any charges against ACORN that stuck. Sounds like sentence first, verdict afterwards.

House votes to defund ACORN

(AP) – 19 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — The House has voted to deny all federal funding for ACORN, the community organizing group that has been caught up in several scandals.

The House action came several days after the Senate took a similar vote to block the Housing and Urban Development Department from giving grants to ACORN.

Republicans, long critics of the liberal-leaning group that advocates for the poor, led the effort to cut off all federal funds.

California Republican Darrell Issa, who sponsored the measure in the House, says the "scandal surrounding the criminal activities of ACORN have called into question their role in all aspects of government."

more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jxhq8CPN8LdLntDEDtE5NrEBQ2IgD9AP8BUG3

review of the organization before you kill it, you corporate-controlled, spineless excuses for human beings?

Did any of you Senators, other than the seven who had the courage to vote FOR the grants, even think to truly evaluate the group, its goals, its performance, and its shortcomings, then, if necessary, recommend some changes as a precondition for funding?

I swear to dog, every frickin' day I am amazed at the condition of the Democratic Congress and the Democratic Party. Where did we go wrong?? When did we forget how to stand up and fight for the things that matter?? Or even just to stand courageously for anything?

I guess that all those hundreds of millions of dollars that get into Democratic coffers can't possibly go toward learning how to combat and defeat Republican tactics?? It's not like it would be hard to do because they are so fucking predictable.

Oh, never mind.

It's as if they never learn.

Not holding my breath, though. Why do we as a party police ourselves more than the other party?

It's the abject cowardice on a grand party level that is so disturbing and discouraging.

It's almost as if they're just paid to pretend like they give a shit, but they really just want to keep getting more corporate money and getting re-elected. Sorta the opiate of the asses.

That's not good for the party.

punishing a not for profit organization that, according to Fact Check, is also non-partisn, solely on the basis of an apparently doctored video Rethug video. The fact that ACORN works with low income communities does not make it a Democratic organization, anymore than it makes the Salvation Army a Democratic organization.

BTW, let me know how you feel the next time you get "policed" that way.

I actually wasn't talking about this particular case in regards to us policing ourselves.

toxic. Not that that excuses those who "sentenced" ACORN before a trial. They show all the guts of those who voted for the Iraq and WOT resolutions and the so-called "PATRIOT" Act.

And throwing illegal immigration in for good measure was the kitchen sink.

It's hard to imagine anything more repellent than the scenario they were describing to the unfazed Acorn workers, who seemed to treat the story with unsurprised nonchalance. It was like an episode of Candid Camera, with the would-be pimp and prostitute going to further and further extremes of perversion and illegality and still just getting matter of fact advice.

I do hope we somehow get all the footage, including the young man and woman being shown the door, lectured, and threatened with police action by Acorn workers who were rightfully disgusted by their shtick, as well as those workers who laughed and realized the entire thing was a sham. Then we can put the entire set of incidents in some kind of context.

The second biggest dog whistle these days.

It's nice to know one is not alone...

:hi:

If it had been the other way round, the Repukes would have brazenly continued the funding.

Dems do the "right" thing. Repukes brazenly do wrong.

Burris (D-IL)
Casey (D-PA)
Durbin (D-IL)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Leahy (D-VT)
Sanders (I-VT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

Good for them! Even Boxer voted yes on this thing!!

FCC purge of the public airwaves

the only media outlet the demys don't control and of course YOU want to silence that......god forbid there is a voice of opposition, a different view.......aren't those the very things that YOU DEMS stood so proudly for??

with the Average American ... they are almost all bloated Millionaires - clueless and driven by FOX news hit pieces. :grr:

Have they even evaluated the consequences of banning funds to ACORN? Are there equivalent groups in some communities to administer the funding? Aren't we talking about risking thousands of people that qualify for and need heating assistance and housing assistance now falling into a void of no identified agency to administer the funding?

If so, at the very LEAST they better put language in there to address this and keep ACORN until alternative agencies can be identified.

Hell... didn't they even do that for Blackwater? And on the scale of bad... I don't think ACORN even comes close to Blackwater.

Acorn condoning prostitution takes the cake over Blackwater.

What kind of wack job are you?

Unless, you know, bringing chinese children to the US to have them be fucktoys AND tax breaks is your sort of thing.

Anyone who hasn't actually watched the tapes should do so. It is absolutely revolting. I suppose one could make the case that this was just a few wackos out of many employees, but I don't know... this was so bad that it leaves the impression that the organization is almost certainly lacking in oversight and discipline.

As far as the tape being doctored... I suppose that's possible, but as far as I could tell, the video matched up with the audio quite well. This wasn't like watching a Japanese movie dubbed into English. The lips matched the words and the gestures. If the tape was doctored it would have involved a very sophisticated effort. Furthermore, it's pretty weak for ACORN to make some general statement about the tape being "doctored" and threatening to sue, without stating precisely what these women didn't say that the tape shows them saying. In a PR disaster like this, you don't wait for the court system to air such grievances. If the fate of the entire organization is on the line, you lay it out immediately.

This was a PR disaster of epic proportions.

to voter registration as a means of discrediting ACORN?

I wonder if they were long time employees or did they just start?

Your screeching aside.

Fact: Blackwater personnel murdered 25 Iraqi civilians in one incident alone.

So, tell me which one is worse. Having a couple idiot employees, whom you fire, or ... murder.

Squwk.....squawk....squawk little fweeper!

did anything at all wrong, let alone condoning child prostitution. With thousands of ACORN employees, this duo of dirty tricksters went from office to office until it found a couple of dumbasses. As for these two minimum wage (or close) employees trying to sound like they knew what they were talking about being worse than Blackwater's having murder as a corporate policy, you are simply nuts.

you might of had a point, but 5 offices all with the same result.....the corruption is deep and i for one am glad my hard earned tax money will no longer go to help these ...........dumbasses, your words not mine

Overall, ACORN does a lot of good.

No other side of the story, no trial, no nuttin'.

America can't seem to throw enough of her ideals and principles under the bus fast enough these days. Where have all the Profiles in Courage gone, long time passing?

:hi:

classic case - a few screwed up, all punished as the company had to be disbanded.

Repukes have done fraud on a much grander scale.

It's WAAAAAY past time to replace his ass with someone who can play hardball with the pukes.

one. I emailed my Democratic Senators and asked them to initiate action to replace Reid. I am under no delusion that they will. However, I wanted them to know that I hold them responsible for Reid being Reid.

change the name
change the letterhead
change the website design
moving on to the next item for business

corporate policies that were criminal. ACORN, on the other hand, is a not for profit organization whose goals are registering low income voters, benefiting the needy, underprivileged, etc. None of its official policies are criminal. However, out of maybe 15,000 employees and forty or so years of existence, it has hired a handful of losers.

:grr:

Tell me, if you fall for some Rethug dirty tricks and say some off the chart dumbass thing that no one in their right mind would have foreseen, should your boss go to jail or lose his business?

Anyone who works for an organization of that nature (or anywhere else) should operate under a policy that strictly prohibits supporting criminal activity.

It seems like common sense to most of us, but because ACORN is stuck with some poorly qualified people they need to make sure their policies are clear and that their people are closely monitored.

and that these particular employees did not consider giving these people the "advice" they gave them illegal, or that they didn't care. I'm leaning to the latter because it's hard to imagine that anyone thinks it's fine to lend a helping hand to a child prostitution ring, or to break any law, whether or not the employer emphasizes that you are to do only legal things. In fact, I find it hard to imagine that, should your employer stress that breaking the law is acceptable, you would not know better than to believe that.

Beyond that, though, we don't know what happened among these people that we don't see in the video.

Mind you, I am not saying ACORN was not remiss. I am not saying it was remiss, either, though. I am saying that we do not have enough information to make either of those determinations. I am also saying that you cannot impute criminal conduct to an employer in the same way that you can impute civil liability to the lawyer.

Every employee of every organization of course follows "policy" to the letter... :sarcasm:

Geez, what color's the sky in your universe?

Throw a GREAT organization like Acorn under the bus because the far-right was able to find or manufacture this tempest in a teapot?

Cowardly...and clueless...

"Let me call my manager" can get you out of a whole lot of trouble. Trying to fake your way through it is just stupid.

Businesses are punished every day for what their employees do. I owned four companies in my younger years and I had big problems a couple of times when just ONE employee did something stupid.

This is worse because it is several employees in several different locations on different days around the country. It is unfrotunately a discernable pattern.

We have to deal with the facts. Admit it. If this was some conservative group instead of ACORN you would be livid.

Or did you try to make amends and continue operations?

Just because there was that lady who threw parties in a foreclosed mansion, does that mean Wells Fargo has to shut down?

Before a pattern can be established, we need to know how many they approached who didn't play ball. I doubt we'll ever see that statistic. Public opinion is being manipulated here.

employee did. It cost the jobs of ten other employees when we lost the work. Half our business at that time was immediately gone.

I agree with you in point. I would like to know how many offices turned them down. I would really like to know who immediately reported them to the police because they said they wanted to open a house with child prostitutes.

The problem is at least people in three or more offices were okay with all of this.

I pray they don't shut ACORN down, but quite a few people need to be fired including much of their national management since that is ultimately who is responsible. That's what being in charge means.

commits a crime. And crimes are involved here, and in most allegations against ACORN.

The reason an employer is held civilly liable for an employee's actions is a legal technicality, not a sign of actual guilt on the part of the employer. In part, social policy is that the employer is in a better position to insure against his employee's acts than is the victim. Of course, the employee is legally liable, too, but he or she may not have the money to compensate the victim. So, the courts developed a doctrine that compensates the victim via a cost of doing business. The doctrine is a legal technicality, not an indication that the employer is morally wrong. And, as I said, it does not apply at all to crimes.

(Of course the employer is responsible for its own actions, such as putting someone in charge of kids without doing a background check, but that is a different issue.)

Sorry, but when you are going out of your way to employ the disadvantaged and two unscrupulous (IMO) people are going out of their way to get the employees in trouble, you don't have a very discernible pattern. Nor can you call four employees out of 10,000 or 15,000 a discernible pattern.

I am dealing with facts--and law. I think you are drawing incorrect conclusions about ACORN from them. I am drawing none yet. If you notice, I disagree with specific points. I never conclude that ACORN is at fault or not at fault.

As far as my being livid, what does that have to do with anything?

But, I have been plenty livid with Democrats as well as with Republicans. I might be meaner to a Republican, but I don't accuse them of crimes on something this dicey. I might favor Democrats more, but I don't let them off the hook when the evidence is there. I'd love to see you find a post of mine, past, present or future, that cuts one more factual or legal slack than the other. If you do, I will repent.

...this time from California.

There is something seriously wrong in an organization where the corporate culture allows so many people to think that dispensing this kind of "advice" is OK somehow. 1 or 2, perhaps an aberration. But 4? I don't think so. How many real pimps doing real damage got the same advice?

This calls for a major investigation. How deep is the pattern of corruption? How far does it extend? There are charges that it goes to the top. Just google "former ACRON board member."

http://www.acorn-8.net/

ACORN needs a major housecleaning before it will be able to do what it set out to do - help low and moderate income people.

I'm already livid that ANY "conservative" groups are allowed to persist...

And that there are enough bat-shit crazy idiots to "join" them...

I knew some ACORN higher-ups when I lived outside D.C. and they were all stand-up folks...Still, as another poster said upthread, they swallowed the bait and fell for the con and as a result have become radioactive politically...Time to rebuild...

swallowed the bait and fell for the con...?

You seem to be painting the entire organization with the right-wing paint brush (the same one the cowardly Senate Dems used)...

Time to rebuild???

WTF???

so if a few people get caught doing something wrong, the government has to defund the whole program? Seems a bit extreme to me.

Hmm.

Source: AP

Sad to see this and Acorn has done a lot of good. Yet, I think it was necessay.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jxhq8CPN8LdLntDEDtE5NrEBQ2IgD9ANF3F01

Senate votes to deny funds to ACORN

By ANDREW TAYLOR (AP) – 12 hours ago

WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Monday to block the Housing and Urban Development Department from giving grants to ACORN, a community organization under fire in several voter-registration fraud cases.

The 83-7 vote would deny housing and community grant funding to ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

The action came as the group is suffering from bad publicity after a duo of conservative activists posing as a prostitute and her pimp released hidden-camera videos in which ACORN employees in Baltimore gave advice on house-buying and how to account on tax forms for the woman's income. Two other videos, aired frequently on media outlets such as the Fox News Channel, depict similar situations in ACORN offices in Brooklyn and Washington, D.C.

The Senate's move would mean that ACORN would not be able to win HUD grants for programs such as counseling low-income people on how to get mortgages and for fair housing education and outreach......................

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jxhq8CPN8LdLntDEDtE5NrEBQ2IgD9ANF3F01

those videos were pretty damning . . .

Sad because these incidents overshadow lots of good work.

to see how rampant this is before punishing a whole organization. To me this was an excuse to defund them, and cast more doubt on the organization as a whole by the right wing itself.

I agree... How do we know that those persons were not plants of the extreme right??? Too bad that the good works of Acorn are not recognized ... I am very suspicious of the logistics ...:banghead: :dilemma:

Although the vids don't look all that great to them. But in the end it's really in their best interest. Kinda like when there's a major recall. After a major recall, probably the safest items on the market are after a major recall because the company was caught with a dangerous product so they clean up their act.

and yet republican agencies GUILTY of voter registration fraud are never discussed, by anyone.

there should be a thorough investigation, but it looks as if the Senate doesn't feel it is necessary.

ACORN was punked, not entrapped.

were deceived, not ACORN. ACORN was the target of a very dirty trick and smear tactics--guilt by association with these few dumbass employees.

But, wording aside, Lerkfish had a valid point. Whichever verb you wish, why ACORN?

Mark my words: It WILL come out that these were PLANTS in the organization...

So let me get this straight: Our "democrats" can't find the time or balls to CENSURE fucking wilson, but they have PLENTY of time to do this - nice...

no investigation... but man did they all jump at the opportunity to punsih the whole organization.

it's spelled necessary -- and it sure as FUCK wasn't!

Well you have about 53 bat-shit crazy cowardly demoncrats in the Senate so I suppose it's time to defund the freakin' democrat party, right?

It was a trap, but they did get stuck in it. It's a shame because ACORN did a lot of good. Hopefully those funds will go to another organization that also does good.

Pure and simple all the protestations about illegal taping are just hogwash. ACORN dares not sue because that would open their "books" and they sure don't want that. I'm skeptic enough to think ACORN is fully capable of laundering and stealing taxpayer dollars in the Millions.

your whole post drips of freeper flavor.
around these parts, we don't hate ACORN with the white hot anger you seem to be displaying.

kinda shocked by that one I thought they were really tight with one another?!?!?!

Brought on by the liars at Fox News.

Utter bullshit and pandering to the right.

I no longer have any faith in our system if they choose to side with the right-wing fuckers over a group that truly helps a lot of people and is often the only one who does.

Or just willfully ignorant?

One video - OK, bad apples.

Two, three - There is serious problem with organizational culture that makes people at THREE ACORN office feel like it is OK to provide advice on how to operate a child sex slave operation. To close one's eyes to that unconscionable. In fact, you have to wonder if this advice had been given before, to real pimps damaging real kids.

Now there is word of a FOURTH VIDEO. This time from California. I bet that there are more. I don't care what motivated the exposers of this monstrosity. A clear pattern of really bad activity has been established. Any intellectually honest person would demand action.

Time for a RICO investigation and some long jail-time for the guilty parties.

Arrest the SOB's

They put the wrong headline on this.

HEY DEMOCRATS!!!

Do ya' get it now?

Those fuckers will throw you under the bus just as fast as they did Van Jones, Health Care Reform, Jocelyn Elders (remember her?) and sub-prime Mortgage Holders...

But they love their fucking bankers and Wall Street... Sure is nice they're heavily regulating them now...uh, they're not? Never Mind...

Oh, yeah, and fucking Obama is still paying billions to Halliburton, Blackwater (XE) and KBR for the endless war(tm). He marched right into the arms of the military-industrial complex before the streamers for the Inauguration were cleaned up. Gates sec'y of War!!! Give me a fucking break...

Fucking XE (Blackwater)!!! How many "bad apples" have they had? So Acorn immediately fires a couple of bad apples out of their thousands of employees -- faux-noise creates a hit piece and the FUCKING DEMONCRATS CAVE!!!

GET A CLUE, GUYS!!!!

Give me a republican any day, at least they don't lie to you. They tell you they're fascist fucks -- and they act like it... They're consistent...

The fucking Dems -- they lie to your face -- "oh, we're progressive... public option - public option... end the war... give working people a fair shake... Change you can believe in..."

But where the rubber meets the road; sorry, Charlie...

We need to pander to the right-wing to get the bill passed or the pResident will look bad.

And who else ya' gonna' vote for (haw, haw, haw!)!?!?!?!?

Get a clue, folks! These assholes aren't your friends...

:puke:

PS: Here's USAmerikan "health care": http://www.gp.org/press/pr-state.php?ID=246

The work that ACORN does in communities is too important to be judged by a few bad apples. Look just because Sgt Crowley harrassed and judged Professor Gates based on his race everyone didn't jump up and down and claim that the entire MA police dept were racist... So why is the entire organization getting judged because some radical right wing lunatic org most likely funded by fox news and the neocon racists is out posing as pimps and hookers and illegally taping some bad apples giving bad advice?

Some acorn workers acted stupidly and they were delt with swiftly so lets move on.

Next thing you know the lunatics on the right will be trying to implicate Obama with ACORN.... thats how wacked and destructive they are.

just wondering if the " neocon racists" include all the dems that voted to stop the funding of this wonderful, upstanding organization that doesn't have 11 pending investigations of voter fraud, allows its CEO to embezzle millions and not press charges against, and actively promote democratic candidates when it is supposed to be non partisn...........yup, those dam destructive republicans

The democrats don't have to keep throwing people and organizations overboard if they would start aligning themselves with more scrupulous people and organizations (and possibly doing background checks...).

ACORN is a despicable organization, and has been, and they are simply a GOTV political organization. And everybody here knows that. They USE the poor for votes. And every sensible person here knows that. They don't help the poor. They use the poor.

And if you think condoning child prostitution is cool, then there's something wrong with you, I don't care if their hidden camera is legal or not.

And you all know if there was a hidden camera of a Blackwater representative being set up by some brave reporter, the reporter would be a hero.


AND Both parties throw people overboard, all the time. Go find me Mark Foley, Trent Lott, Alberto Gonzalez, etc...


Be sensible. Your allegiance is to your country. Not your party. And certainly not ACORN.

And please step away from the idiot box blaring faux-noise into your impressionable little mind...

i bet all you watch is CNN MSNBC and read the new york times.......im an independent and unlike YOU i prefer to get the ENTIRE story so i can make an educated, informed opinion about matters that will directly affect me and my family.................also a proud dad

So called Crisis Pregnancy Centers and Abstinence Only sex "education."

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/07/08/crisis-deception-fake-clinics-spread-misinformation-federal-dime

that is currently breaking? Will they be barred from all federal contracts? Will We take away all those nice leases of federal land in the West forever? Wackenhut is still a federal contractor what with their nudie guards at the State Dept.

I could see slapping ACORN on the hand for this sort of stuff... but to block it from all federal contracts forever is a bit harsh.

What is the roadmap for ACORN to be rehabilitated?

More important what will the effect of this be on a very effective vote registration machine that gets voters who usually vote Democratic?

Who can pick up the slack in their absence?

I am not sure what the ultimately means for Acorn but when someone wants to catch you as much as Republicans have wanted to you take a lot more care.

They didn't and they have paid (we all have).

this is not about the republicans, it is about the morality of government subsidized entity that runs on OUR tax money. If there was only one or two cases....maybe bad apples, but 5, no way. systemic issue with the organization, books need to be examined and ALL the fraud needs to be exposed.....i would rather my hard earned money help legitimate organizations and individuals.