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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 02:51 AM
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Baby snatch victim loses kids to state custody
Source: Associated Press

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A mother whose newborn was kidnapped by a knife-wielding woman posing as an immigration agent was briefly reunited with her baby Saturday, then saw him and her three other children taken from her and put into state custody. Rob Johnson, a spokesman for the Tennessee Department of Children's Services, said the children were taken from their mother, Maria Gurrolla, "purely for safety reasons," though he would not detail why the state deemed they were in danger.

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This is just so wrong for them to have taken all four of her kids away after what she has gone through - being stabbed and having her new born baby kidnapped. I am furious and very saddened over all of this! If the woman had been a rich white woman they wouldn't have even thought of taking away the kids from a mother.

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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 03:15 AM
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1. FBI agent says he doesn't know
of any threat to the family...this is definitely strange.
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davidhilton Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 04:31 AM
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2. thats quite a story...i cant believe someone would steal a baby. wow!
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 04:41 PM
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19. It happens more often than you might think.
The perpetrators are pretty much universally women, usually loners with an unhealthy obsession about child rearing. Because they can't or don't have children of their own (and are prevented from adopting by either their circumstances or their mental instability) they decide to kidnap someone else's baby to raise as their own.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 04:47 AM
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3. I don't get it either. Why were the children removed?
She was attacked to steal the baby, so her baby wasn't stolen because she left him somewhere alone.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 05:58 AM
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4. WTF? that's crazy. nt.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 06:28 AM
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5. its possible there is something we don't know yet about this story.
when the line is "though he would not detail why", there are at least two possibilities, one: that he is lying through another orifice, or two, there really is a threat that they are not at liberty to discuss yet until they have people in custody.

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:38 AM
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6. Don't worry DCS is always right
Its just a coinkydink they have their own judges, special lawyers that only work DCS cases, and no form of judicial review. They are so correct in California a Federal Grand Jury can only make a recomendation (can not issue binding orders) to DCS.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:03 AM
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7. Another reason to avoid Walmart.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:50 AM
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11. By your reasoning women should never use the WIC program either .
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:41 AM
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8. Lot of unanswered questions
Apperently the woman did not act alone.. or at least someone had knowledge. And the statement over heard by the mother telling who ever was on the other end of the line, the mother was dying. And the fact there were at least 2 similar abductions....Children could easily have been removed from the mother for safty reasons...
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:30 AM
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10. But why remove them from Mom, if that's the case? Just put whole
family into a safe house somewhere, if they're all in that sort of danger.
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dr_aswan Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:24 AM
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9. Write that off as a BAD week....
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 10:20 AM
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12. The mom is OBVIOUSLY a serial victim, and poses a risk to the children
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 11:17 AM
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13. Safety reasons?
Or maybe they are trying to determine her "legal" status.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 02:09 PM
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15. First thought which came to mind....
...immigration problems.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 03:20 PM
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16. If that IS the case....
Then everything should be done to make sure that mom and baby are healthy and well and then put on a plane/bus to their country of citizenship.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 04:26 PM
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17. The baby is most definetly a US citizen, since he was born in US.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 04:27 PM
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18. I guess then the mother would just need to be sent back then..
and the baby would either be placed with relatives or transfer into the state's custody.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:05 PM
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14. Compare these two cases...
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Speciesamused Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 04:48 PM
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20. The Victim is Victimized by those she seeks help from.
What a country.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:04 PM
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21. I smell racism.
:grr:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:16 PM
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22. Slashed up and in recovery....
Maybe our outrage could use some tempering. She's not exactly in good health to care for four children right now.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:17 AM
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23. Playing devil's advocate. And pure speculation on my part. But...
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 12:25 AM by TheMadMonk
It wasn't a snatch until the cheque bounced. (wound possibly self inflicted)

It could have been a baby trade that went wrong for some reason. Not likely, but not entirely dismissable either.


Some totally unrelated danger (in the home) was brought to light as a result of the investigation. This one certainly can't be discounted out of hand. Very roughly, theres a tenish percent chance of molestation or some other form of significant child abuse taking place in a randomly selected home. This could simply have been one of them.

Given a case with such a relatively high profile, I doubt the DCS is doing this without some sort of strong motivation. They have more than enough egg on their faces from their systemic failures to risk what could all too easily turn into a perfect media storm.
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