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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:26 AM
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US Ambassador to Brazil Warns Lula about Venezuela Issues
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Caracas, Venezuela, Mar. 09 (Venezuelanalysis.com).- Last Sunday, United States Ambassador to Brazil Donna Hrinak, gave a strong caution to the Brazilian government with relation to the South American giant's relationship with Venezuela and Cuba.

During a conference at Florida International University last Sunday, Hrinak said that her government expects Brazilian President Lula da Silva to convince Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez to adopt a “democratic solution” to the current political situation.

Hrinak was referring to the process of referenda currently underway in Venezuela to recall several lawmakers and President Chavez. After counting and validating 3.4 million signatures collected by opponents of Chavez, electoral authorities are requesting about a million of those listed in petitions with irregularities to confirm or deny their willingness to sign and their identity, in order to decide if the recall on Chavez should take place. Political opposition to Chavez and the commercial media, accuse the President of manipulating the process of recall.

Hrinak warned President Lula to "carefully calibrate his opposition" to certain political issues such as the current situations in Venezuela and Cuba, which are part of the main focus of the Bush administration in Latin America.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1219


Brazilians demonstrate outside the Embassy of Venezuela in Brasilia, on Monday March 8, to show support for President Hugo Chavez, and to reject "US intervention" in Venezuela. Photo: E.B.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:32 AM
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1. looks like we are going
to invade venezuela, no doubt the rest of the world will look the other way.
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:51 AM
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2. We need to close the SOA !!!!!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 05:27 PM
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8. Thanks for posting the SOA link. Well worth reading. n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:06 PM
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5. No we aren't.
We got our hands full already.

(Not saying they would not like to, but as Iraq is
presently demonstrating, and Haiti will be demostrating
soon if Aristide is not restored, going with inadequate
force is worse then doing nothing. Venezuela is large and
rich and can shoot back. I'm doubtful we can afford it too,
they seem to be having trouble keeping the troops fed in
Iraq.)
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:54 AM
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3. Always with the threats.
Maybe they should worry about pissing Lula off.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 05:17 PM
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7. Bully in the school yard as always
This was also picked up by Mercosur. Couldn't find anything about Lula's response--would love to hear it--he doesn't seem to be the type to kow tow to Dishonest Dubya.

Regarding the a$$hole remark, it appears the news service translated "pendejo" into "a$$hole". According to LatAm friends, :hi: this word means different things in different Spanish speaking countries. Here's a response from a note he sent to Vheadline about it and his follow up about the word usage in different countries:
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I heard Alo Presidente when he said that. He didn't say that Bush was an
asshole (per se). It was pretty funny actually, the way he said it (at the
end of the marcha Sunday). He said something to the effect of " ... if he
(Bush) thinks that we are pendejos, he must think again as to who really
is the pendejo..." This is not exactly what he said, but it was alnog
these lines. Pendejo does not mean asshole, as far as I know. It means
more like: fool, idiot, etc. Anyways, the word he used was pendejo.

The opposition media usually (on purpose) take these things way out of
context.

Here is the link to VTV (live) via the internet.Alo presidente is on
Sundays starting at between 11 am and 12pm.

http://200.35.64.35/MinSec/ASXRoot/MinSec.asx

You can watch and witness for yourself ... then read/watch any opposition
media and compare. Quite incredible actually.

Oscar
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I agree with him and it looks like the AP was taken in by someone in the
oppostion, who translated the word as A$$hole. That is what happens when
you get gullible gringos as foreign correspondents. Maybe we should write
the Foreign Desk of the AP in New York.

The word "pendejo" in Mexico and the southwestern United States is commonly
used to call someone "stupid."

Wife says that in Chile, it usually refers to a troublesome child. Not a bad
word at all.

In Peru, apparently it is a strong term, and our Peruvian lady friend said
"Oh, don't use that word, it's very bad." I will find out what it means
from other Peruvian friends.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 05:55 PM
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9. It's a good thing you posted the information that what was reported
was misleading.

What we could use a little LESS of is looneytoons trying to heighten the tension, and fan the fires of the always ongoing hostility of the right-wing. They might just decide that calling someone an "@$$####" designates you as a terrorist, and use it as justification for a little "regime change."

Your friend was wise to point out there was something missing in the AP report, like accuracy.

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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 07:41 PM
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13. He also pointed out the press is right in the heart of Golpistaville--
probably in one of Cisnero's buildings. No wonder why all the press reports are exactly like the tripe they serve up on Venezuela *opposition* television.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 06:55 PM
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11. Methinks the most accurate translation would be MORON. Oh, forgive me...
...MORAN!
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 07:48 PM
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15. Dishonest Dubya. Lying Action Figure (Distribute far and wide)
Edited on Tue Mar-09-04 07:52 PM by Say_What
I've been posting this everywhere. Perhaps you can spread it around Brazil (in case you haven't already). :-)

http://www.southpoledudes.com/dishonestdubya.html

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TinaTyson Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 11:14 AM
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4. I've always felt that a good democratic solution would be
to let him finish the legal term he was elected to serve, then have an election to determine who the people of want. Not use my tax dollars to overthrow him with force or covert operations. But I guess I am just old school.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 07:42 PM
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14. That's WAY too logical and democratic for the Bushistas
Welcome to DU, TinaTyson :hi:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 03:56 PM
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6. I'm sure the Lula Admin. will give her 'all due respect'
then proceed with the plans that are in Brazil's best interest. I will actively resist any US intervention in South America
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 06:19 PM
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10. All I read was "Ambassador Warns" and I saw red.
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

I want the Bush Dynasty/Regime to end. 16 years plus, is enough.
Reagan was never anything but stage dressing after his failed assasination. Bush Inc have been in control for far too long.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 11:54 AM
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19. Check post #16--background on her is quite interesting...
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 07:03 PM
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12. the ambassador
Edited on Tue Mar-09-04 07:05 PM by Aidoneus
should either be ignored or expelled.

Perhaps not, but some message should be sent that these past tendencies will not go unanswered as they previously have.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:36 AM
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16. Looks like relations with Lula are headed downhill...
This is from another board--too busy lately to do my own research ;). Thanks to a poster, also a DU reader, :yourock: we have some interesting information on this woman and who will replace her in Brazilia. (Not good news.)
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The story behind this woman is an intriguing one, and it shows what
happens when a career diplomat gets ground up and spit out by the Bushista
regime.

First, a link about who this woman is, and she is outstanding.
http://www.nd.edu/~kellogg/news/larchive2.html

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Next, one finds out that she had been the U.S. ambassador in Caracas just a
couple of years ago where she got into a jam because the Bushistas objected
to a speech by Hugo C. at the United Nations one month after Sept. 11, 2001.
She was obviously ordered by the House of Powell to raise hell with Chavez.
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=9369
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Then we find out that she was yanked out of Caracas and was extremely
pro-Lula when she was sent to Brasilia; so much so that Rightiefundies at
Newsmax called her;
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Our Leftist in Brasilia

Most shocking is the fact that elements in the Bush administration,
including U.S. Ambassador to Brazil Donna Hrinak, is an ardent Lula backer,
Brant reveals.

Brant says that Hrinak's sympathies for Lula's Marxist party are "so
notorious that the running joke in Brasilia was to ask whether she would
show up at Lula's inauguration in a red dress."

(more on)

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/6/3/110714.shtml

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Then we find out that her days are numbered as ambassador to Brazil from a
newspaper in Asuncion, Paraguay:

Hrinak será reemplazada en mayo. Ella asumió su cargo en el 2001 y ya en sus
primeras declaraciones defendió a Lula da Silva, en aquel momento candidato
a presidente, frente a las críticas que llegaban desde su país por su pasado
izquierdista.


(Hrinak will be replaced in May. She assumed the post in 2001 and in her
first statements defended Lula da Silva, at the time a candidate for the
presidency, from critical remarks coming from her own country because of his
(Lulu's) leftist past.)

http://www.abc.com.py/articulos.php?fec=2004-03-08&pid=98216

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So she is on the way out. A career diplomat who speaks four languages and
has vast experience in Latam.

But wait. Guess who is going to replace her?

For this we have to go to Costa Rica.

Why it's none other than John J. Danilovich, a good ole Bushista longtime
pal. So we get a political appointee replacing a career diplomat in a
critical country that at the moment is not too palsy with the Bushies.

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. The current U.S. ambassador to Costa Rica, John J. Danilovich, will be
moving to a much larger country in the Americas. The White House recently
said that it will nominate him to be U.S. ambassador to Brazil. Prior to his
appointment to the Costa Rica position, Danilovich worked in the
international shipping business and lived in London, where he was chairman
of Republicans Abroad for President Bush. He served on the board of
directors of the Panama Canal Commission from 1991-1996 and was chairman of
the transition committee that handled the transfer of the Panama Canal to
the Panamanians. Danilovich has a master's degree in international relations
from the University of Southern California and a bachelor's degree in
political science from Stanford University.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040209-8.html

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So what do some Costa Ricans think of of him?

Danilovich es de esa escuela diplomática estadounidense que no sólo sospecha
que los latinoamericanos somos tontos, en su caso está convencido de que
nuestro cociente intelectual merece poco respeto. A los pocos días de llegar
al país amenazó veladamente con represalias si seguían adelante procesos
que, a su juicio, perjudicaban a inversionistas estadounidenses. En el caso
de la academia de policía, publicitada por el embajador casi como un
kindergarten, amenazó con llevársela a otro país si el convenio no era
ratificado por el parlamento antes de que finalice al año: "hay otros países
que tienen mucho interés en que la academia esté en su zona.

(Danilovich is from the U.S. diplomatic school that not only suspects that
Latin Americans are stupid; in this case he is convinced that our
intellecutal capacity deserves little respect. A few days after he arrived,
he threatened reprisals if, in his opinion, (legal) measures were carried
out against U.S. investors. In the case of the police academy which was
publicized by the ambassador as a kindergarten, he threatened to take it to
another country if the agreement was not ratified by parliament by year's
end. "There are other countries who are very interested that the academy be
in their area."

http://www.moir.org.co/ALCA/embajador_danilovich_costa_rica.htm

FYI the reference to the academy is for the International Law Enforcement
Academy. Some say it is a version of the School of the Americas installed in
Costa Rica. Google ILEA if you want to learn more. (There is even one in New
Mexico).

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The Brazilians are not going to be thrilled to have this gringo Bushista
visiting Itamaraty (the Foreign Ministry in Brasilia). I did not have time
to really look into this background, except to notice that he is a total
Bushista. He is probably a millionaire who contributed to the Bushies and
was rewarded with the Costa Rica ambassadorship.

But with this Bushista going into Brasil, I personally see relations between
the Bushistas and Lula da Silva going downhill.


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wjittermoss Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:55 AM
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17. I hope Brazillians will stick by their wonderful leader.
The Americas can't afford to give in to this American facist administration. There is power in purpose and they can bring us to our knees without firing a shot if they just stick together.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:09 AM
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18. I hope he tells Bush to shut up
The Chimperor needs to be humiliated.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:10 PM
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20. Dupe
Please continue here (a thousand pardons for not catching it sooner)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x409401
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